Circumlocution

karmattack · 05-12-2004, 11:44 AM

Circumlocution.

That's the "Word of the Day" on My Yahoo's frontpage. It's fitting, considering the nature of the news headlines that follow it, notably, death of Nick Berg and the related statements.

There's no way I could bring myself to watch the video. I watched the Daniel Pearl footage, and this whole thing makes me ill in a way I can barely describe. After watching Daniel Pearl's death, I was on the verge of either crying or puking all day, and now with Nick Berg I'm nauseous just reading the description of it in the news articles. Then, there's the sympathy for his family and friends, and how they must be feeling with all this information. It's nearly unimaginable, and I feel myself wanting to cry yet again.

What made these militants think that an eye-for-an-eye type of reaction was the right way to go about this? And eye-for-an-eye isn't even right -- it's more like gouging out one eye to repay a 3 Stooges style poke at another. Where much of the American public was recently criticizing our government and those in the military for lowering themselves to the level of the "enemy," and degrading what [little, IMHO] sense of love and humanity there was to find in this war, nearly all of those feelings of sympathy are replaced yet again with rage for our ruthless, unfeeling, "terrorist" enemy.

But now we're faced with the same type of choice. Do we up the ante and yell "Nuke the [censored]! Leave 'em smoking in a mushroom cloud!" [what I heard this morning on the radio during my morning drive to work]. Or do we realize that we are 1 of a 2-part equation whose potential sum is peace and conflict resolution?

We have to understand what the display our troops just made of the Iraqi prisoners did to the people we're up against. We made them look like a joke, like we are laughing at them and they are not to be taken seriously. Plus, our troops are hurting and humiliating their defenseless people. Did they ever think about the momentum for compassion that created for them in the public? Maybe. Maybe not. They chose to do something that would make them feared again. And now we all get a perfect chance to see what hostile, irrational, hateful reactions do to humanity. Is that the course we as "noble Americans" want to represent as OUR OWN recourse? I sincerely hope not.

Selling weapons to the nations who are killing these people, and making ourselves look like we are more concerned with their oil than we are with their humanity is just as disgusting as bombing the fuck out of their capital, killing their civilians, defiling the rights and bodies of their prisoners, which is just as disgusting as this reaction. And we could go on and on like the classic kids-on-a-playground pointing and yelling "He started it!" "But she did something worse!"

So where does it stop? When they're all dead? When we're all dead? That way there is one 1 part to the equation, which is only 1 part to satisfy, right?

Does our government have the answers? With a statement like "Nick Berg Had Been Warned to Leave Iraq," [actual headline] which is to say "He was there by his own choice and it is not our fault. Don't blame your government, America." OR, a statement like "This shows the true nature of the enemies of freedom," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters. "They have no regard for the lives of innocent men, women and children. We will pursue those responsible and bring them to justice." I seem to recall being on the exact opposite side of this statement last week! Obviously, the resounding answer is NO! We are not headed in the direction of peace. Peace is not what we are fighting for. "Peace" is something that can't be "fought" for.

But the one thing to expect is more circumlocution. It is the one thing that has been consistent throughout this presidency and this war, from everything and everyone involved. Unless we make the choice, right now, to actually do something that breaks the cycle.

05-12-2004, 11:55 AM

Does anyone know where I can view this video?

Razorback · 05-12-2004, 01:10 PM

The video is here.

If you enjoy this you should kill yourself. There is something wrong with you.

karmattack · 05-12-2004, 01:20 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
If you enjoy this you should kill yourself.

[/ QUOTE ] And right before you do, find and watch a movie called Cannibal Holocaust.

05-12-2004, 01:21 PM

Very, very well-said.

Razorback · 05-12-2004, 01:30 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
What made these militants think that an eye-for-an-eye type of reaction was the right way to go about this?

[/ QUOTE ]

This has nothing to do with the prisoner abuse. That is their excuse, but they have been doing this for decades. What prisoner abuse was there when they did the same thing to Pearl? Actually, they didn't do the same thing to Pearl. At least Pearl was dead before they cut his head off (or so it seems). I have watched this most recent video and have not eaten since. I can barely bring myself to think of anything else.

It makes the Pearl video look like Disney Land.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Or do we realize that we are 1 of a 2-part equation whose potential sum is peace and conflict resolution?

[/ QUOTE ]

You cannot make peace with terrorists. They are not rational. They are not uniformed combatants who follow rules. In fact, Islamic terrorists violate their own religious laws everyday. This is not a 2-part equation, and it never has been. This is a 100-part equation and the terrorists are an unpredictable piece that makes a lot of noise.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
They chose to do something that would make them feared again. And now we all get a perfect chance to see what hostile, irrational, hateful reactions do to humanity. Is that the course we as "noble Americans" want to represent as OUR OWN recourse? I sincerely hope not.

[/ QUOTE ]

The only thing terrorists understand is action. They feed on any show of weakness (what we call "modern thinking"). The reason they are going to extremes is because they believe we WILL break down and change the way we handle them. The terrorists fear that they are losing the war in Iraq (just as we are fighting for the hearts and minds of the average Iraqi so are the terrorists, and they are not winning them over anymore than we are).

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Selling weapons to the nations who are killing these people

[/ QUOTE ]

Killing what people?

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
So where does it stop? When they're all dead? When we're all dead? That way there is one 1 part to the equation, which is only 1 part to satisfy, right?

[/ QUOTE ]

It will end when they lose their funds and/or when their fighters die. I know, you don't like that answer but unfortunately there is no other answer. There is no simple answer that will end this. The mentality of the region is about ACTION and POWER not negotiation or common sense.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Does our government have the answers? With a statement like "Nick Berg Had Been Warned to Leave Iraq," [actual headline]

[/ QUOTE ]

Because he had been arrested by the Iraqi police.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
which is to say "He was there by his own choice and it is not our fault. Don't blame your government, America."

[/ QUOTE ]

How can the US government be blamed for a man deciding to stay in Iraq after being warned to leave and then being executed by terrorists?

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Peace is not what we are fighting for. "Peace" is something that can't be "fought" for.

[/ QUOTE ]

Peace can be fought for and I have no idea what makes you think otherwise, other than your bleeding-heart liberal peacenik agenda.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
But the one thing to expect is more circumlocution.

[/ QUOTE ]

From all side... including from you.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
It is the one thing that has been consistent throughout this presidency and this war, from everything and everyone involved. Unless we make the choice, right now, to actually do something that breaks the cycle.

[/ QUOTE ]

And from every administration in every decade, ever. If you think otherwise then you are kidding yourself, or just imagining otherwise because it fits your point for the moment.

ILovePapaSmurf · 05-12-2004, 01:37 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
In reply to:
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which is to say "He was there by his own choice and it is not our fault. Don't blame your government, America."
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How can the US government be blamed for a man deciding to stay in Iraq after being warned to leave and then being executed by terrorists?

[/ QUOTE ]

The US Govenment tries to cover up everything, so maybe he was warned, maybe he wasn't. Who knows. Everytime something goes wrong, the government is right there behind it trying to cover up their tracks.

But, alas, my opinion.

Razorback · 05-12-2004, 01:44 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Everytime something goes wrong, the government is right there behind it trying to cover up their tracks.

[/ QUOTE ]

That is the typical opinion of a conspiracy theorist.

ILovePapaSmurf · 05-12-2004, 01:47 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
That is the typical opinion of a conspiracy theorist.

[/ QUOTE ]

Its true. Do you notice how fast they are trying to cover up the abuse photos?

05-12-2004, 01:52 PM

I just wanted to see the video for myself. Its not for any kind of enjoyment. Am I wrong for wanting to see it.

Razorback · 05-12-2004, 01:55 PM

Cover-up the abuse photos? The military announced the abuse investigation in January. The photos were taken by individuals for private use and were later given to an Army investigator who used them in his analysis. The investigation was not over and somehow news services got their hands on the photos and published them.

It was an ongoing investigation, did you expect the Army to leak evidence? The photos are not being swept under any rug. What control does the military now have over public information? You are badly misinformed.

Razorback · 05-12-2004, 01:58 PM

I watched it so I see nothing wrong with wanting to see it, if it is for the purpose of knowing what was done.

05-12-2004, 02:04 PM

I agree, the abuse scandal has been going on for a while now. I think people mistake the media not being allowed any information with the government trying to cover something up. There are times when situations and materials are sensative and the government uses its power to keep the media from reporting it, this is not covering it up. Lets say the united states decideds to assasinate the canadian prime minister. Only a select few people know this is going to happen. No one ever hears about it. Its totally illegal. No investigation no thing. Everyone just pretends it didnt happen. Thats a cover up.

05-12-2004, 02:05 PM

Understood, and I agree, enjoyment out of something like that is sick.

05-12-2004, 02:10 PM

I don't fathom (I suppose I never will ) the liberal mentality that this is somehow the US Governments fault. This is utterly ridiculous! I didn't want to watch this video, but I did. I believe that everyone should see this kind of violence just once, so they can know what we are up against. The only way to obtain peace in Iraq is by removing of Al Queda and it's forces, plain and simple.

Yes it was horrible the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners, but wake up! This is the kind of stuff the Iraqi people have been seeing and being a part of every day! If you look further down on the link that RB gave you, you will also see the plans for Saddams WMD, as well as some other useful info.

I am actually shocked that liberals still don't see the truth, and don't support what we are doing.

ILovePapaSmurf · 05-12-2004, 02:11 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Cover-up the abuse photos? The military announced the abuse investigation in January.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, no, the American Red Cross gave word to the military that the abuse was going on in January. The military didn't give a rats ass about it until the news media got a hold of it. So, now they are running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

ILovePapaSmurf · 05-12-2004, 02:13 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I don't fathom (I suppose I never will ) the liberal mentality that this is somehow the US Governments fault.

[/ QUOTE ]

I never said that this beheading was the Government's fault. I just said we don't know what really went on with this man. I mean, did we tell him to leave Iraq or are the 'bush men' trying to cover up their tracks?

05-12-2004, 02:14 PM

I think it's horrible. I watch and laugh at some twisted, albeit fake, effects in movies. This is the real deal. They frigging cut his head off with a knife. This is no joke. I know you aren't thinking of it lightly. Karmattack isn't wrong, nor is anyone else, for watching the video. I myself have NO desire to see it, but that's me. I have purposely not watched the news much since I heard about this, because it makes me a lot more angry than I already was toward "the enemy". Think about it--it wasn't a very fast death--they effing used a knife. We're dealing with some sick, depraved beasts here.

I have to side with RB--you don't negotiate peace with terrorists--you imprison, try and kill them. It really is a matter of separating the terrorist from the civilian, and often [as was the case in Vietnam], that is next to impossible to do. Now, our troops are dealing with this problem, and I think it might be one of the main sources of frustration for them, leading to these abuses in Iraqi prisons.

We must maintain the high moral ground, as I heard someone on the news say last night, to accomplish our mission there. Ultimately, however, I think it will come down to exactly what RB mentioned--depleting their source of soldiers, weapons and wealth. Ideally we can outlast them.

Razorback · 05-12-2004, 02:18 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I am actually shocked that liberals still don't see the truth, and don't support what we are doing.

[/ QUOTE ]

It is not that they don't see it, it is that they don't want to see it. If they would be willing to see it by the election of a democrat to office then I would be the first to cast my vote for one. I just think that they are too consumed with their hatred for Bush (as the republicans were with Clinton).

Razorback · 05-12-2004, 02:21 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
No, no, the American Red Cross gave word to the military that the abuse was going on in January. The military didn't give a rats ass about it until the news media got a hold of it. So, now they are running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

[/ QUOTE ]

You are so wrong it's not even funny. You should stop spreading misinformation or make an attempt to get your facts right before posting your ignorant bullshit.

05-12-2004, 11:44 AM	#1
karmattack Former Poo Guru Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Crime Capital, USA Posts: 5,692	Circumlocution Circumlocution. That's the "Word of the Day" on My Yahoo's frontpage. It's fitting, considering the nature of the news headlines that follow it, notably, death of Nick Berg and the related statements. There's no way I could bring myself to watch the video. I watched the Daniel Pearl footage, and this whole thing makes me ill in a way I can barely describe. After watching Daniel Pearl's death, I was on the verge of either crying or puking all day, and now with Nick Berg I'm nauseous just reading the description of it in the news articles. Then, there's the sympathy for his family and friends, and how they must be feeling with all this information. It's nearly unimaginable, and I feel myself wanting to cry yet again. What made these militants think that an eye-for-an-eye type of reaction was the right way to go about this? And eye-for-an-eye isn't even right -- it's more like gouging out one eye to repay a 3 Stooges style poke at another. Where much of the American public was recently criticizing our government and those in the military for lowering themselves to the level of the "enemy," and degrading what [little, IMHO] sense of love and humanity there was to find in this war, nearly all of those feelings of sympathy are replaced yet again with rage for our ruthless, unfeeling, "terrorist" enemy. But now we're faced with the same type of choice. Do we up the ante and yell "Nuke the [censored]! Leave 'em smoking in a mushroom cloud!" [what I heard this morning on the radio during my morning drive to work]. Or do we realize that we are 1 of a 2-part equation whose potential sum is peace and conflict resolution? We have to understand what the display our troops just made of the Iraqi prisoners did to the people we're up against. We made them look like a joke, like we are laughing at them and they are not to be taken seriously. Plus, our troops are hurting and humiliating their defenseless people. Did they ever think about the momentum for compassion that created for them in the public? Maybe. Maybe not. They chose to do something that would make them feared again. And now we all get a perfect chance to see what hostile, irrational, hateful reactions do to humanity. Is that the course we as "noble Americans" want to represent as OUR OWN recourse? I sincerely hope not. Selling weapons to the nations who are killing these people, and making ourselves look like we are more concerned with their oil than we are with their humanity is just as disgusting as bombing the fuck out of their capital, killing their civilians, defiling the rights and bodies of their prisoners, which is just as disgusting as this reaction. And we could go on and on like the classic kids-on-a-playground pointing and yelling "He started it!" "But she did something worse!" So where does it stop? When they're all dead? When we're all dead? That way there is one 1 part to the equation, which is only 1 part to satisfy, right? Does our government have the answers? With a statement like "Nick Berg Had Been Warned to Leave Iraq," [actual headline] which is to say "He was there by his own choice and it is not our fault. Don't blame your government, America." OR, a statement like "This shows the true nature of the enemies of freedom," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters. "They have no regard for the lives of innocent men, women and children. We will pursue those responsible and bring them to justice." I seem to recall being on the exact opposite side of this statement last week! Obviously, the resounding answer is NO! We are not headed in the direction of peace. Peace is not what we are fighting for. "Peace" is something that can't be "fought" for. But the one thing to expect is more circumlocution. It is the one thing that has been consistent throughout this presidency and this war, from everything and everyone involved. Unless we make the choice, right now, to actually do something that breaks the cycle.

05-12-2004, 11:55 AM	#2
KingBison Posts: n/a	Re: Circumlocution Does anyone know where I can view this video?

05-12-2004, 01:10 PM	#3
Razorback Owner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Quickstop Overlord Sanctuary Posts: 10,493	Re: Circumlocution The video is here. If you enjoy this you should kill yourself. There is something wrong with you.

05-12-2004, 01:20 PM	#4
karmattack Former Poo Guru Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Crime Capital, USA Posts: 5,692	Re: Circumlocution </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> If you enjoy this you should kill yourself. [/ QUOTE ] And right before you do, find and watch a movie called Cannibal Holocaust.

05-12-2004, 01:21 PM	#5
Ryall Posts: n/a	Re: Circumlocution Very, very well-said.

05-12-2004, 01:30 PM	#6
Razorback Owner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Quickstop Overlord Sanctuary Posts: 10,493	Re: Circumlocution </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> What made these militants think that an eye-for-an-eye type of reaction was the right way to go about this? [/ QUOTE ] This has nothing to do with the prisoner abuse. That is their excuse, but they have been doing this for decades. What prisoner abuse was there when they did the same thing to Pearl? Actually, they didn't do the same thing to Pearl. At least Pearl was dead before they cut his head off (or so it seems). I have watched this most recent video and have not eaten since. I can barely bring myself to think of anything else. It makes the Pearl video look like Disney Land. </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> Or do we realize that we are 1 of a 2-part equation whose potential sum is peace and conflict resolution? [/ QUOTE ] You cannot make peace with terrorists. They are not rational. They are not uniformed combatants who follow rules. In fact, Islamic terrorists violate their own religious laws everyday. This is not a 2-part equation, and it never has been. This is a 100-part equation and the terrorists are an unpredictable piece that makes a lot of noise. </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> They chose to do something that would make them feared again. And now we all get a perfect chance to see what hostile, irrational, hateful reactions do to humanity. Is that the course we as "noble Americans" want to represent as OUR OWN recourse? I sincerely hope not. [/ QUOTE ] The only thing terrorists understand is action. They feed on any show of weakness (what we call "modern thinking"). The reason they are going to extremes is because they believe we WILL break down and change the way we handle them. The terrorists fear that they are losing the war in Iraq (just as we are fighting for the hearts and minds of the average Iraqi so are the terrorists, and they are not winning them over anymore than we are). </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> Selling weapons to the nations who are killing these people [/ QUOTE ] Killing what people? </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> So where does it stop? When they're all dead? When we're all dead? That way there is one 1 part to the equation, which is only 1 part to satisfy, right? [/ QUOTE ] It will end when they lose their funds and/or when their fighters die. I know, you don't like that answer but unfortunately there is no other answer. There is no simple answer that will end this. The mentality of the region is about ACTION and POWER not negotiation or common sense. </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> Does our government have the answers? With a statement like "Nick Berg Had Been Warned to Leave Iraq," [actual headline] [/ QUOTE ] Because he had been arrested by the Iraqi police. </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> which is to say "He was there by his own choice and it is not our fault. Don't blame your government, America." [/ QUOTE ] How can the US government be blamed for a man deciding to stay in Iraq after being warned to leave and then being executed by terrorists? </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> Peace is not what we are fighting for. "Peace" is something that can't be "fought" for. [/ QUOTE ] Peace can be fought for and I have no idea what makes you think otherwise, other than your bleeding-heart liberal peacenik agenda. </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> But the one thing to expect is more circumlocution. [/ QUOTE ] From all side... including from you. </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> It is the one thing that has been consistent throughout this presidency and this war, from everything and everyone involved. Unless we make the choice, right now, to actually do something that breaks the cycle. [/ QUOTE ] And from every administration in every decade, ever. If you think otherwise then you are kidding yourself, or just imagining otherwise because it fits your point for the moment.

05-12-2004, 01:37 PM	#7
ILovePapaSmurf Mucky-Muck Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: California. Posts: 5,803	Re: Circumlocution </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> In reply to: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ which is to say "He was there by his own choice and it is not our fault. Don't blame your government, America." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ How can the US government be blamed for a man deciding to stay in Iraq after being warned to leave and then being executed by terrorists? [/ QUOTE ] <font color="purple">The US Govenment tries to cover up everything, so maybe he was warned, maybe he wasn't. Who knows. Everytime something goes wrong, the government is right there behind it trying to cover up their tracks. But, alas, my opinion.</font color>

05-12-2004, 01:44 PM	#8
Razorback Owner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Quickstop Overlord Sanctuary Posts: 10,493	Re: Circumlocution </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> Everytime something goes wrong, the government is right there behind it trying to cover up their tracks. [/ QUOTE ] That is the typical opinion of a conspiracy theorist.

05-12-2004, 01:47 PM	#9
ILovePapaSmurf Mucky-Muck Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: California. Posts: 5,803	Re: Circumlocution </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> That is the typical opinion of a conspiracy theorist. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="purple">Its true. Do you notice how fast they are trying to cover up the abuse photos?</font color>

05-12-2004, 01:52 PM	#10
KingBison Posts: n/a	Re: Circumlocution I just wanted to see the video for myself. Its not for any kind of enjoyment. Am I wrong for wanting to see it.

05-12-2004, 01:55 PM	#11
Razorback Owner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Quickstop Overlord Sanctuary Posts: 10,493	Re: Circumlocution Cover-up the abuse photos? The military announced the abuse investigation in January. The photos were taken by individuals for private use and were later given to an Army investigator who used them in his analysis. The investigation was not over and somehow news services got their hands on the photos and published them. It was an ongoing investigation, did you expect the Army to leak evidence? The photos are not being swept under any rug. What control does the military now have over public information? You are badly misinformed.

05-12-2004, 01:58 PM	#12
Razorback Owner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Quickstop Overlord Sanctuary Posts: 10,493	Re: Circumlocution I watched it so I see nothing wrong with wanting to see it, if it is for the purpose of knowing what was done.

05-12-2004, 02:04 PM	#13
KingBison Posts: n/a	Re: Circumlocution I agree, the abuse scandal has been going on for a while now. I think people mistake the media not being allowed any information with the government trying to cover something up. There are times when situations and materials are sensative and the government uses its power to keep the media from reporting it, this is not covering it up. Lets say the united states decideds to assasinate the canadian prime minister. Only a select few people know this is going to happen. No one ever hears about it. Its totally illegal. No investigation no thing. Everyone just pretends it didnt happen. Thats a cover up.

05-12-2004, 02:05 PM	#14
KingBison Posts: n/a	Re: Circumlocution Understood, and I agree, enjoyment out of something like that is sick.

05-12-2004, 02:10 PM	#15
Matthew Posts: n/a	Re: Circumlocution I don't fathom (I suppose I never will ) the liberal mentality that this is somehow the US Governments fault. This is utterly ridiculous! I didn't want to watch this video, but I did. I believe that everyone should see this kind of violence just once, so they can know what we are up against. The only way to obtain peace in Iraq is by removing of Al Queda and it's forces, plain and simple. Yes it was horrible the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners, but wake up! This is the kind of stuff the Iraqi people have been seeing and being a part of every day! If you look further down on the link that RB gave you, you will also see the plans for Saddams WMD, as well as some other useful info. I am actually shocked that liberals still don't see the truth, and don't support what we are doing.

05-12-2004, 02:11 PM	#16
ILovePapaSmurf Mucky-Muck Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: California. Posts: 5,803	Re: Circumlocution </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> Cover-up the abuse photos? The military announced the abuse investigation in January. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="purple">No, no, the American Red Cross gave word to the military that the abuse was going on in January. The military didn't give a rats ass about it until the news media got a hold of it. So, now they are running around like a chicken with its head cut off. </font color>

05-12-2004, 02:13 PM	#17
ILovePapaSmurf Mucky-Muck Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: California. Posts: 5,803	Re: Circumlocution </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> I don't fathom (I suppose I never will ) the liberal mentality that this is somehow the US Governments fault. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="purple">I never said that this beheading was the Government's fault. I just said we don't know what really went on with this man. I mean, did we tell him to leave Iraq or are the 'bush men' trying to cover up their tracks?</font color>

05-12-2004, 02:14 PM	#18
Droogan_Leader Posts: n/a	Re: Circumlocution I think it's horrible. I watch and laugh at some twisted, albeit fake, effects in movies. This is the real deal. They frigging cut his head off with a knife. This is no joke. I know you aren't thinking of it lightly. Karmattack isn't wrong, nor is anyone else, for watching the video. I myself have NO desire to see it, but that's me. I have purposely not watched the news much since I heard about this, because it makes me a lot more angry than I already was toward "the enemy". Think about it--it wasn't a very fast death--they effing used a knife. We're dealing with some sick, depraved beasts here. I have to side with RB--you don't negotiate peace with terrorists--you imprison, try and kill them. It really is a matter of separating the terrorist from the civilian, and often [as was the case in Vietnam], that is next to impossible to do. Now, our troops are dealing with this problem, and I think it might be one of the main sources of frustration for them, leading to these abuses in Iraqi prisons. We must maintain the high moral ground, as I heard someone on the news say last night, to accomplish our mission there. Ultimately, however, I think it will come down to exactly what RB mentioned--depleting their source of soldiers, weapons and wealth. Ideally we can outlast them.

05-12-2004, 02:18 PM	#19
Razorback Owner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Quickstop Overlord Sanctuary Posts: 10,493	Re: Circumlocution </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> I am actually shocked that liberals still don't see the truth, and don't support what we are doing. [/ QUOTE ] It is not that they don't see it, it is that they don't want to see it. If they would be willing to see it by the election of a democrat to office then I would be the first to cast my vote for one. I just think that they are too consumed with their hatred for Bush (as the republicans were with Clinton).

05-12-2004, 02:21 PM	#20
Razorback Owner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Quickstop Overlord Sanctuary Posts: 10,493	Re: Circumlocution </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /> No, no, the American Red Cross gave word to the military that the abuse was going on in January. The military didn't give a rats ass about it until the news media got a hold of it. So, now they are running around like a chicken with its head cut off. [/ QUOTE ] You are so wrong it's not even funny. You should stop spreading misinformation or make an attempt to get your facts right before posting your ignorant bullshit.

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