View Full Version : Hunter S. Thompson Rules!
GoreFollower
08-03-2003, 05:52 PM
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You may know Hunter S. Thompson as a great american author and drug user of the sixties and seventies and so on. He was portrayed in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas."(Which is a f*cking funny movie) His interesting and entertaining stories and lectures all have a common theme or moral. He has taught us great lessons such as: "If at first things don't succeed, lower your standards."
And "Nixon was so much better than Clinton."
We must praise Hunter S. Thompson for always living on the edge of reality and fantasy, and for always writing about things that only a drug addict would think about.
By the way, the link below is Hunter S. Thompson jumping on a trampoline wearing a Nixon mask.
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TomHarrington
08-03-2003, 06:18 PM
Cool post. I'm a big fan of the doctor, too. You can read his newest material here (http://espn.go.com/page2/s/thompson/)
Friendly_Giant
08-03-2003, 10:07 PM
never heard of him before...
THX1138
08-03-2003, 10:52 PM
The only part of the movie Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas that I liked was when Depp's character said, "This heres bat country." And he started swinging around the fly swatter while driving. Other than that I didn't much like the movie. I was going to say this sooner when I read a post mentioning this movie but I didn't feel that inclined to do it then.
psychofiend
08-04-2003, 09:40 AM
Johnny Depp was actually playing Hunter S. Thompson in that movie.
karmattack
08-04-2003, 11:25 AM
Just to avoid confusion: The character's name is Raoul Duke, which is a character Hunter used to portray himself in the book.
Razorback
08-04-2003, 12:35 PM
His views of the Bush administration sound like the ranting of an ignorant drug addict... not that his scope may be wrong or anything (cough) but his opinions are about as silly as those of the republicans about Clinton (he is a murderer! a rapist! he sold secrets to the Chinese!).
For the love of sanity...
RB
GoreFollower
08-04-2003, 12:50 PM
He is a drug addict! He may rant about stupid sh*t, but it's sh*it worth reading because the guy is funny as hell and brings up some good points too.
"Not here, not here, but right here!"- Chris Farley
Razorback
08-04-2003, 01:00 PM
He does? Wow... maybe if you are a drug addict or totally off your [censored] rocker. He reminds me off a professor I had who thought everything was a conspiracy or a plot against him.
Scary mofo.
RB
karmattack
08-04-2003, 01:06 PM
I think you're reading Thompson a tad too literally. Not that I'm trying to tell you how to read, but that your criticisms of his writing are coming off a little ham-fisted. The man's a lunatic, but he also exaggerates to make a point laterally instead of directly. Of all the people here, I'd expect you to be the first to point that out, RB.
Razorback
08-04-2003, 01:28 PM
I was responding to this:
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and brings up some good points too
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RB
karmattack
08-04-2003, 01:34 PM
I figured...and I was responding to your response to that, as well as:
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His views of the Bush administration sound like the ranting of an ignorant drug addict... not that his scope may be wrong or anything (cough) but his opinions are about as silly as those of the republicans about Clinton (he is a murderer! a rapist! he sold secrets to the Chinese!).
[/ QUOTE ] Not saying you're wrong to feel how you do, but that you should realize there's a completely different way of looking at Hunter's books before you sound off on it. His writing shouldn't be taken literally.
Razorback
08-04-2003, 01:42 PM
So he writes indirectly? He means for his direct points to be ambiguous? Having read more than one item by this man I sure don't get the impression that he is a modern-day Dylan Thomas. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
RB
karmattack
08-04-2003, 01:52 PM
I don't know if I would say indirectly, but it's kind of like that -- at least the way it's made sense to my friends who read Hunter and myself. It's Gonzo. It's combining fact with fiction to create an overall feeling more than just a list of truths. It's sensational and exaggerated and the points he makes can't always be read directly from his statements.
damn, sounds like I'm talking about the Bible - OH!!!
Razorback
08-04-2003, 02:00 PM
Oh, I didn't take it as the rantings of a man who is on control of his thoughts. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
I do believe that he means what he says... even if it is insane. He just has a different perspective than most people.
He is still a nut in my book.
RB
psychofiend
08-04-2003, 02:07 PM
The man is the biggest hippy burn-out ever, sure some of his political biews are B.S., but at least he realizes that Clinton is the worst person to ever be in office.
karmattack
08-04-2003, 02:08 PM
Hey, the cool part about it is that either one of us could be right and nobody really knows. I think things are more interesting when they're not definitive, personally. I think we just have to respect that both things are possible -- his lunacy could be mistaken for genius or visa versa. IMHO, I think the genius is mistaken for lunacy.
Sheyit, I hope that makes sense or else I'd hate to know what you all think of my lunacy!!
Razorback
08-04-2003, 02:15 PM
I actually like crazy people... I loved my nutty professor, even if he assigned work that the next day he would swear he never assigned; gave us projects to complete that when they were done he graded them based on conditions he never spoke about; gave us our mid-term and final on a day he specifically stated we would not be having them; made us write 20 pages of homework a week and then forgot about it but then asked for homework assignments that he meant to assign to us and forgot about then gave us all zero's for not having done them.
RB
karmattack
08-04-2003, 02:23 PM
so what was to like?
Razorback
08-04-2003, 02:27 PM
He was very animated and funny. I was never bored in his class. Sure, the first and last minutes of every class was like waiting on incoming artillery but the other 4 hours flew by really fast.
RB
Those are some great points Razorback.
I agree.
He is somewhat... eccentric for lack of a better word, eh, screw it, he's nuts.
Most people only know him for "that movie with J. Depp".
Few seem to know about the man and his body of work. It's a shame.
He's sat in backseats with major politicans talking about football, gotten stomped by bikers, attempted to cover a desert race /forums/images/icons/grin.gif *wink*wink... there's so much!
Someone had stated "He's a hippie burn-out" or some other.
That's probably the last thing he would ever be.
I could go on and on why he is not. But instead I will say this.
The man lives in the desert and plays with .50 caliber rifles and other high-powered marvels of the modern age.
Definetly, not an ex-hippie.
TomHarrington
08-04-2003, 10:20 PM
Good points, all around. Thompson is a lunatic, but I've got to agree with Karmattack on this one. Who really knows what he's saying? I think that because he can be so overt and over-the-top that people don't look for, or expect him capable of, subtlety. With him the lines between journalism and fiction seem to blur, and it becomes difficult to know when he may be serious about something or when there is an implied wink. And that's great. I don't base life decisions on his words, or look to him for answers to anything. For me it's entertainment. And in that regard, he never fails.
He's a little bit of colum A and a little bit of colum B /forums/images/icons/grin.gif
karmattack
08-11-2003, 02:50 PM
I'll probably swing from the gallows for this, but -- sit down, everyone -- I was checking AICN today...
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Hmph, Ok. So anyway, they had this interview with Hunter posted and I figured I would pass it along for those of you who don't check Ain't It Cool News. The author is Marty Beckerman.
February 3, 2003
NEW YORK CITY | "WHAT'S THIS GOING TO DO TO ME?" my beautiful girlfriend asks, looking nervously from the Doctor to the small black ball zipped in the tiny plastic baggie. We're sitting across from each other in a luxury suite on the fourteenth story of the five-star Manhattan Carlyle Hotel;the main room is adorned with a glossy grand piano, and the surroundings as a whole most likely cost more to rent per night than I'll ever make in my entire lifetime.
"Nothing, nothing," says Hunter S. Thompson the aging mastermind behind Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and the godfather of Gonzo journalism, removing the hash from the plastic baggie and slicing it with a bread knife courtesy of room service. "You'll be fine, my darling," Thompson says, packing the processed greenery into the compact pipe he demanded along with a quarter-bag of marijuana before consenting to this 2 a.m. interview.
"Well, okay," my beautiful girlfriend says, taking the pipe and sucking down the potent vapors, coughing after the first inhalation.
"You're going to go completely crazy now," 65-year-old Thompson says, grinning like a sadistic hyena and putting his arm lecherously around my girlfriend's shoulder. "Completely [censored] psychotic. You're doomed, all right. Jesus."
Good [censored] Lord, how did this happen? I ask myself, trying to recall the events of this insane night through the cerebral haze of marijuana and hashish presently clouding my 20-year-old mind. I remember the anticipation, the cancelled plane out of Aspen, the excruciating 24 hours of telephoning clueless publicity agents to reschedule the meeting, and finally the desperate late-night call to Thompson's room, begging for an in-person audience. The mad rush through my girlfriend's NYU dorm, searching for a student majoring in street pharmacology (we couldn't find that goddamn Dell dude). Christ, is this actually happening? Am I actually smoking Mexican hashish with the greatest writer of my parents' generation? The man who made Rolling Stone magazine actually worth reading at one point long, long ago?
But so much for the past, eh? Thompson's latest book, Kingdom of Fear: Loathsome Secrets of a Star-Crossed Child in the Final Days of the American Century, was published in January by Simon & Schuster, and if the title sounds familiar, don't expect anything different from the message. Surprisingly, it's Thompson's lack of anything new to say that makes him more relevant than he's been in decades.
A recent nationwide CBS News/New York Times survey found that 82 percent of Americans believe another terrorist attack is imminent, and sales of survival supplies and duct tape (which apparently protects against nuclear fallout) have been tripling around the Washington, D.C. area, according to CNN. From all appearances, most Americans seem to be living in the "Culture of Fear" Thompson predicted thirty years ago.
Although Thompson's ravings about the Apocalypse may have gotten stale in the relatively peaceful '90s during which time he released collections of old letters, occasional ESPN.com columns and The Rum Diary, his excellent "long lost" novel from the 1950s,the Gonzo mentality works best against a cultural milieu of paranoia and uncertainty. With recent developments in North Korea and Iraq (the use of nuclear weapons has been authorized in the Middle East should the conflict reach biological proportions), it's no wonder the Bush-bashing Kingdom of Fear reached #9 on the New York Times bestseller list.
"You write in the new book that Bush is a bigger threat to democracy than Nixon was," I say, trying to ignore the terrible drugs coursing through my cerebellum and crippling any possibility of presenting myself as a Professional Journalist as opposed to a drooling, stoned post-adolescent fan-boy. "Those are big words coming from you."
(Go Q. & A. format! Go!)
HST: Nixon looks like a liberal compared to this guy. I never thought I'd say that. It's a horrible thought.
MB: [Legendary White House reporter] Helen Thomas called him the worst president in American history a couple weeks ago. Would you agree with that assessment?
HST: That's what I said to Charlie Rose today. Easily the worst.
MB: You compare him to Hitler .
HST: Yeah. Easy comparison. You can't compare him to Nazi Germany? Wait a minute, of course we can. What else can we compare it to? Two years, he took America from a billion dollar surplus into a poor country. In two years everybody's going broke and we've gotten into this desperate, stupid war. In two years! I mean, who are the Americans doing this?
MB: Bush is already rich and he can't actually want Armageddon on Earth. What's going through his mind?
HST: Hey, that's what I've stumbled on. You have to remember,and I forgot it until I watched him in the State of the Union;you watched it? He was scheduled for 41 minutes. He went 60. The last 30 were creepy. It just got weirder and weirder. He began to glisten and talk about Jesus. What was it? "The American Dream is God's gift to humanity"? We are God's gift to humanity. Our country is basically getting into depression, and [Bush] is still going to start the war.
MB: And people love him.
HST: Yeah. [censored], if that's not Nazi Germany,you've got Hitler and the good Germans running around,then I don't know what is.
MB: You write passionately about the 1968 Chicago Democratic convention. Was that the death of the American Dream for you? [Protests against the convention were met with unprecedented police brutality]
HST: No, it was just the beginning of the fight. I would say right about now, boy, we're losing. They've got this country turned into a police state. I'm not sure how that term would resound with you, but a police state is a heavy situation.
MB: Well, Bush just authorized the U.S. military to kill American citizens overseas if they're suspected of being terrorists. ["THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, Dec. 4, 2002;American citizens working for al-Qaida overseas can legally be targeted and killed by the CIA under President Bush's rules for the war on terrorism, U.S. officials say."]
HST: Yeah, suspected of terrorism. It's not so bizarre that our conversation tonight could be seen by someone in the police station as sympathy for terrorists. What's going on here? Valhalla. All you have to do is keep moving west, and you'll still get arrested.
MB: Bush Sr. has been very quiet these days. Do you think he's still running the show?
HST: The answer is yes, but I wouldn't go out looking for a boogeyman. He's running it in the figurehead sense that his son is the president. I still remember the night, that horrible night I watched the Bush family [on the evening of the 2000 election], the old man laughing like a hyena. I believed Gore could win, and when they called the whole family, gathered together in Texas,they looked like little piggies, and then the old man and that horrible laugh.
MB: The Bush family history is terrifying. They've been in business with Hitler, Saddam, Osama. [George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, had his stocks in Nazi steel manufacturing removed by Congress in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.]
HST: And they're Jesus freaks on top of it. Carter was one and I loved Jimmy Carter,we're still good friends,but this is a stupid Jesus freak. Carter deserved the Nobel Prize.
MB: Do you believe the end of the world is coming?
HST: Yeah, it is the end of the world. What, do you think it's going to come on a TV show, right on schedule? [censored]. They've been digging this for a long time. Read the [censored] Book of Revelations. The end of the world is not just coming; it's here. Until Bush came in it was still possible to be successful, happy. That was two years ago, but now the wheel is turning and I don't think what we're in now will possibly get any better.
MB: So are you excited to be here for the apocalypse at all? Of all the generations in human history, we might be the ones around for the end.
HST: It's not going to happen like a thunderclap. I would like that, really. Why not? A gigantic [censored] thunderclap. Yeah, the floods, the nightriders, the marauders. It's going to be pretty grim.
MB: Do you think there'll ever be another draft after Vietnam?
HST: Oh God. Jesus, I hope so. The draft was a disaster. The Army has become a pack of vicious, predatory, mercenary hired killers, and a draft would democratize the Army as it always has. That's why Vietnam turned out to be a victory for our side,for the antiwar folks. You think jail's better than going into the Army? If you don't like it, then you don't enlist. Enough people felt that way, and lo and behold. It was an all-bullshit war from the start.
MB: Kingdom of Fear is your first book of new material in ten years. What have you been up to in the last decade?
HST: Oh, the same old thing, I suppose. Yeah, I've worked the same stories.
MB: In Kingdom of Fear you claim that Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is as good as The Great Gatsby and better than The Sun Also Rises. That's quite the claim.
HST: [Laughs] In a moment of hedonism, yeah. It's better than Sun Also Rises, better than Gatsby.
MB: It's studied in colleges now. You're part of the canon of American literature.
HST: Yeah, that's good. Yeah.
MB: Why do you think Las Vegas is the book that resonates the most with people over the years? When people think you, they think that book.
HST: Oh God. I know, I know. Why do I think it resonates over and over again with different aged people? Well, I'll play with you on that. I don't really know. I could say it's fun, but it's more than that. Why do you think it is? Why do you think it's true?
MB: Well, the book's a ride. On the surface it's this cartoonish, ether-chugging adventure, but then there are all these darker themes;the death of the American Dream, instant gratification, how Americans find happiness,all that's underneath. So it's like a thrill ride to read the book, but then you pick up other messages along the way.
HST: [Laughs] Yeah, well, that's good enough for me. Weird. It's like Huckleberry Finn or something like that, you know? Travel journalism. I just wrote it down in my [censored] notebook. There's still that controversy whether Mark Twain wrote fiction or not.
MB: Do you ever feel pressure from your fans to live up to the cartoonish image you projected in the old days?
HST: What do you mean I projected? You mean [Doonesbury creator Garry] Trudeau. Try to make a living as a writer and you're turned into the lead character in a [censored] popular cartoon [censored], I don't even know Trudeau. I was never looking for publicity and said, "Hey Garry, why don't you put me in that strip of yours? That's a pretty good idea." [Laughs]
MB: Let's talk about The Rum Diary for a minute. Was it weird to put something out 40 years after you started it?
HST: Well, I like the book. If I thought about it much, it might be weird. Yeah, I didn't worry about it. You can't afford to worry about it.
MB: Was the novel complete before it was published, or did you do touch-up work on it?
HST: [Laughs] Cut out everything. There were scenes in there that the American public isn't ready to handle, to put it lightly.
MB: There was that famous fax you sent to a woman executive overseeing the Rum Diary movie in which you threatened to chop off her hands if things didn't get rolling. How'd that turn out?
HST: Oh yeah Whoop! Whoop!
MB: [Rolling Stone founder] Jann Wenner is notably missing from the Kingdom of Fear "Honor Roll." What in God's name happened to Rolling Stone magazine?
HST: God. This is the same thing Bob Dylan and I were talking about recently. What happened? I don't know. Generic. Goddamn.
MB: Are you ever going to write for Rolling Stone again?
HST: I doubt it. As a gambler, I'd probably say not likely.
MB: How does it feel to have multiple biographies written about you? Flattering? Terrifying?
HST: Well, there are three or four out there, right? Of course, it's like reading reviews. With Jean Carroll's book [Hunter], what happened was every old friend of mine had been contacted,friends I'd forgotten about,and I got calls from all my friends telling me this lady had come by trying to get quotes for her book. My ex-wife called me a wife-beater and a thief, that crazy bitch. Yeah. That's a long story, but people I hadn't heard from in 30 years called me to ask if it was okay to talk to this lady, and some didn't even call me. I didn't want to say, "No, you can't," but God. that creepy bitch.
MB: You're becoming an elder statesman of the counterculture. What's that like?
HST: I have no idea what it's like. Whoop! Whoop! Whoop! Yo! Yo! Eeeek! Eeeek!
MB: Okay, stupid question. So do any of the modern drugs interest you at all, or have you slowed down on that?
HST: Well, ecstasy isn't as elevating. The quality of drugs has gone down with the quality of life. You expect the drugs to get better? No. There are some new drugs around that are extreme downers. Heavy nerve damage, psychotic episodes. You have to prepare to be very out of body, out of your mind. It's a fact;I've enjoyed these drugs for a long time. Drugs will rot your brain. You masturbate all your life and die.
MB: Have you ever overdosed on anything?
HST: [Laughs] Vitamin A. I did beta-carotene and I'm trying to think of the others. I did a super-overload of like thirty-five or -six vitamin tabs. I'd been up for two days working on this story, on deadline and I'd almost finished it, and I was definitely tired and worn-out. So instead of drugs I did vitamins. I thought, well, [censored];I'm too tired to do speed; it would be too dangerous. Why not go healthy, you know? So I starting eating these vitamins;C, D, E;and I figured if vitamins are good for you in an emergency, why not just double-up, quintuple-up? And I ate vitamins by the handful for like two minutes without stopping, thinking these would pump me up. And if vitamins are good, the more the better. Holy [censored]. I was turning beet-red, sweating, paralyzed;it's a little bit like hashish, actually.
MB: In the new book you admit you secretly pray to God.
HST: No, this is far beyond God.
MB: God can't save us now?
HST: There is no God.
MB: A lot of the figures from the '60s have passed on in the last 10 years;Ginsberg, Leary, Kesey;how does it feel to see that era fading away?
HST: You morbid little bastard. Yeah, how does it feel to be the last buffalo? [censored], I don't know. I don't think anybody knows. When you talk about the '60s, you're talking about people who were scared out of their senses, trying to get the feeling for what the [censored] was going on.
[Thompson suddenly screams for his assistant to turn the television volume up to eardrum-shattering levels. The History Channel is airing former U.S. ambassador Adlai Stevenson's Oct. 25, 1962 address to the United Nations General Assembly, demanding that the U.S.S.R. immediately withdraw its nuclear warheads from Cuba. The address on behalf of JFK is widely credited as having prevented the Cold War from going nuclear.]
"This one always gets to me," Thompson says wistfully, captivated for the entire duration of the speech. "You know, it haunts me that I never pursued the 'who killed Kennedy' story. I believe it's the one story I consider a failure. Yeah, I failed, and now the assumption is that obedience is normal;the president is king."
[i]tried to edit out some weird numbers and uses of ;
psychofiend
08-11-2003, 07:57 PM
Blah Blah Blah, I was bored about 1/4th of the way.
GoreFollower
08-12-2003, 12:43 PM
I...CAN'T........READ........IT........ALL........ .....................TO.............F*CKING....... LONG!
ratm1966
08-13-2003, 12:45 AM
Oh, were we supposed to read that? I just scrolled down the page.
chaliemon
08-13-2003, 02:16 AM
are you all serious? Bush is a swindler, a squatter on federal land....a murderer too...Thmpson is a genius, who tells it like it is...I am surprised someone like you is on this site. Thompson says what others fear to think...I am sure that feminazi Ann Coulter has a site...why dont you dedicate to her while reading mein kampf...I read that article and i suggest the rest of you do as well before you say anything else about him. HST is a genius and is only looking out for our young generation...c
Razorback
08-13-2003, 02:27 AM
Someone like me? A free thinking liberal who doesn't pick sides based on categorization? What site would fit my ideology better?
You are very flawed. Coulter is a right-wing conservative and not a "feminazi", WHICH IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE THING!
You also lack class... typical of someone who can't stand when their view is not agreed with, you pull out "Mein Kampf" as if that would be something that reflects any of my comments here. You are a sad case. I will not be entertaining your comments in the future.
RB
GoreFollower
08-13-2003, 01:06 PM
Your pretty much right, but I do have to agree with chaliemon that Bush is a big doofus who doesn't know what he's doing or speaking most of the time, and likes to go on vacation.
Zens_7s
08-13-2003, 01:37 PM
<<a big doofus who doesn't know what he's doing or speaking most of the time, and likes to go on vacation.>>
Insert "she" for "he" in there and you also describe me.
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