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THX1138

07-29-2003, 08:25 PM

If you could be any one Star Wars character (movies or books) who would it be and why?

I would like to be Exar Kun. One of the best Sith Lords ever. He was so evil he destroyed an entire race.

Dave

07-29-2003, 08:40 PM

I'd go with Corran Horn myself, There is just something i really dig about that Rogue Pilot.

THX1138

07-29-2003, 08:42 PM

I was going to go for him but I don't think I have it in me to be a good guy when so much power could be at my finger tips.

straitshooter11

07-29-2003, 08:49 PM

id be han...

ratm1966

07-29-2003, 08:53 PM

I would have to be Darth Vader. Of course, I would do things differently because I am pretty much a cold blodded @sshole. Yes, I wouldn't have saved Luke from the Emporer.

FanGirl

07-29-2003, 09:04 PM

I would want to be TK421.

I was at my post damnit!

towelie99

07-29-2003, 10:48 PM

I'd be Lando. He's just too cool for every situation!

straitshooter11

07-30-2003, 12:06 AM

" Yo [censored] Lando Calrissian" lol that dude from chasing amy

towelie99

07-30-2003, 01:54 AM

"What's a Nubian?"

Ryall

07-30-2003, 02:56 AM

Bossk, of course.

THX1138

07-30-2003, 05:20 AM

Good Choice but if it were up to bounty hunters I think I would be dengar or zuckuss.

Omaru

07-30-2003, 08:34 AM

Darth vadar cause I get to grow up to be evil, and in my younger years bone Padamé w000t! And like ratm I would be a mean mofo, probably killing my superiors for that promotion /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

Dave

07-30-2003, 10:39 AM

What are ya'll talkin about, the best bounty hunter is IG-88!
Damn his cold metal heart.

DangerSeeker

07-30-2003, 12:13 PM

I'd want to be the Sarlac pit. Actually, I probably SHOULD be, not that I want to. See, I got stuck with a ridiculous amount of chapstick a few years back. I figure if I'm just a big mouth in the middle of the desert I might use it up.

psychofiend

07-30-2003, 01:57 PM

About Star Wars... what the hell is wrong with George Lucas? Just because it is his series doesn't mean he should [censored] it up with the kind of pure idiocy that they had in Episode 1&2.

FanGirl

07-30-2003, 02:09 PM

*sigh* Don't even get me started on George Lucas and how he is destroying the whole series. If I have kids, I don't think I'll let them watch the prequels until they are old enough to understand that they are an abomination. And even still, I think that they will be shown the phantom edits instead of the originals.

Razorback

07-31-2003, 12:27 PM

I love Episode 2. Just because you do not that does not mean he is ruining anything... it just means that you don't like it. Too bad for you. I am having a blast with it.

Anyway, I would like to be Jango... with my head attached.

RB

jjcourtright

07-31-2003, 12:31 PM

Yeah, I think that people rag on the prequels to much. Sure, Jake Lloyd was/is a shitty actor. Yeah, the "romantic" dialogue was bad. But, I think that he has set up the next one quite nicely.

Razorback

07-31-2003, 12:56 PM

Watching the originals this week I noticed something... they suck. Lucas is ruining the Star Wars galaxy!

Seriously though, two of my cousins had never seen a Star Wars movie until last week because (as they said) "Star Wars sucks!" Then they saw Episode 2 and went nutso over it. So we watched the others (Episode 1, 4, 5, and 6) and they thought that "The new ones are better but the old ones are good too."

Funny, isn't it?

RB

jjcourtright

07-31-2003, 01:19 PM

Yeah, can you imagine if AOTC was a stand alone movie, one that was not "messing" with the Holy Trilogy? Me thinks people would be talking hella lot less [censored].

FanGirl

07-31-2003, 01:24 PM

Which argument would you like to have first? Why ATOC was terrible or how the Prequels by being added to the original series are destroying them? I'll start a new thread and we can fight it out there instead of derailing this one any more.

Razorback

07-31-2003, 01:27 PM

It won't really matter what your opinion is on this matter, I will completely disagree (since I have had these arguments about 12,000 times before).

RB

Robbo_the_Hood

07-31-2003, 01:36 PM

He's contstantly proven wrong, of course, but he won't admit it. RB is just all stubborn-like.

Razorback

07-31-2003, 01:39 PM

I am?

Interesting perspective.

RB

FanGirl

07-31-2003, 01:53 PM

I'll just say my biggest complaint about the whole thing is the fact that no longer can anyone grow up to be a jedi and use the force. Now it's all a matter of how many midichlorins you have in your blood which is passed down from celebit jedis.

And the true power behind master Yoda is that we should not have to see him fight. And because of that bouncing off the walls fight the true set up of that scene is lost. The point of that scene is that Yoda does exactly what Luke does in Empire. He chooses to save his friends instead of going after Dukoo (SP?) and ending the war right then. As Luke chooses to end his training to go and save his friend thus loosing his hand.

DangerSeeker

07-31-2003, 02:18 PM

I'm going on record as not thinking the prequels suck. I separate them in my mind from what I experienced as a wide-eyed child introduced to new worlds. Once I did that, I can honestly watch them over and over. Sure I don't get nearly the same level of joy, but I do have fun. Were they worse than the Christmas special? Because people treat them that way.

FanGirl

07-31-2003, 03:21 PM

I have no problem treating them as separate as the Christmas Special, but Lucas himself is saying that they should all be considered one long series and that they should be watched in order.

Dave

07-31-2003, 06:30 PM

So we should watch them as menace, Attack, E3, New Hope, xmas special, Empire, then jedi?
Where do the ewok movies come in?

ratm1966

07-31-2003, 07:12 PM

[censored] the [censored] Ewoks in their [censored] asses.

Razorback

07-31-2003, 07:16 PM

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I'll just say my biggest complaint about the whole thing is the fact that no longer can anyone grow up to be a jedi and use the force. Now it's all a matter of how many midichlorins you have in your blood which is passed down from celebit jedis.

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Not at all. I don't get how this can be argued, at all. Midichlorian's measure potential and do not guarantee anything. In fact, the council initially rejects Anakin despite his high midichlorian count. Everyone has midichlorian's within their bodies; the fact that they were introduced into the movies neither takes away from nor adds to the mystical nature of the Force and the Jedi.

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And the true power behind master Yoda is that we should not have to see him fight.

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Then close your eyes.

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And because of that bouncing off the walls fight the true set up of that scene is lost.

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I felt that it shows just how powerful Yoda is with the Force. He fights the only way he can, by way of the Force and in a defensive posture (which includes utilizing his environment for mobility).

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The point of that scene is that Yoda does exactly what Luke does in Empire. He chooses to save his friends instead of going after Dukoo (SP?) and ending the war right then. As Luke chooses to end his training to go and save his friend thus loosing his hand.

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True... and I see nothing wrong with showing Yoda fighting. It doesn't take anything away from his quiet power in the original trilogy. My only problem with that scene is that it is too short. In fact, the problem with that whole movie is that the "cool" sequences are all too short. It is over-edited to conserve time and it is OBVIOUS.

RB

Razorback

07-31-2003, 07:25 PM

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I'm going on record as not thinking the prequels suck. I separate them in my mind from what I experienced as a wide-eyed child introduced to new worlds. Once I did that, I can honestly watch them over and over. Sure I don't get nearly the same level of joy, but I do have fun. Were they worse than the Christmas special? Because people treat them that way.

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Bingo. I don't even need to detatch myself from what I experienced with the original trilogy as a child. The thing is, when I was in my late teens I recognized how flawed (in many ways) the OT was and I lost that "this is my childhood" thing long before 1999.

When I watch the OT (well, mostly Episode 2) I see something that is just as much fun and cool and exciting as the older movies. I don't over-analyze the plots as a way to TRY and ruin the experience because I see no reason to do that. The movies have never asked the audience to dig into them any deeper than the surface (unlike the Matrix), so why do it?

A friend of mine (who did not like Episode 2) said to me recently that the movies are now (that he is close to 30) much more fun to talk about than watch, and he may be right. However, for as long as I am not making an effort to dislike something about them (and there are many people who try very hard to dislike them --including, as I pointed out a few posts ago, people who have NEVER SEEN THEM) I will remain a fan.

Episodes 2 and 5 rule! The rest are fun.

RB

FanGirl

07-31-2003, 07:40 PM

I disagree with you on the midichlorin thing. Where does it say everyone has midichlorins? I don't think that was established at all. They reject Anakin because he is too old to start training, the reason it finally gets approved is because of his high midichlorin level since they think he might be the one who will bring balance to the force.

In respect to Yoda, I think it is better to leave it to everyone's imagination than to show it.

I've seen the scene edited with the Yoda fighting removed and it just works so much better. It lifts out so easily in fact that maybe Lucas added this in as an after thought. Much like the Obi Wan and Janga fett through the astroid field was.

Next major complaint (don't get me wrong I love Boba Fett), but aren't we getting just a little too much background story for a third rate character that has 2 lines and dies because Han can't see?

To me ATOC, feels like a bunch of "fanboy" moments that are put in that makes the rest of the agonizing love story forgivable. People liked it better than Menace because there was a lot more action, but also everyone's expectations were a whole lot lower. To have a movie be better than Menance should not be acceptable. The standard should be the Originals.

ratm1966

07-31-2003, 07:42 PM

I didn't mind Episodes I and II. They were pretty good. The part I didn't like about Episode I was the piss poor acting of some of the actors. Oh yeah, and I didn't like the Ewoks or the stupid moronic creatures (Can't remember their name) in Episode I.

FanGirl

07-31-2003, 07:56 PM

Razorback's post above went up while I was writing the earlier post...so my response to that is...

Yes, the originals are flawed. I freely admit that and I got into an interesting conversation with a woman who refuses to accept anything following Star Wars. She felt that Empire and Jedi change what she liked about the first one.
I was never a hard Star Wars fan myself until Episode I came out and I realized after seeing how it was changing what I know and love about the originals. That's when I got more involved as a fan. I was and am a big supporter of the Phantom Edit.

I could go on and on about nit picky little things that bothered me, but the deflated feeling when I walked out of Menace after thinking about midichlorins really bothered me.

It isn't ruining anything as long as the originals are in tact, but we don't even have that anymore since he went back and fixed them.

If the rumors are true about the big surprise twist in Episode 3, I will turn in my hat as a Star Wars fan and walk away from the whole thing. I will be someone who likes the original movies, but will no longer consider myself a fan. I sincerely hope the rumors are untrue and that Episode 3 raises the bar back up, but what kind of hope can I have as long as Lucas remains in charge?

This isn't just any old movie series. This is a movie that changed a generation.

psychofiend

07-31-2003, 08:21 PM

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Yeah, I think that people rag on the prequels to much

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Indianna Jones and The Temple of Doom was awesome so take that./forums/images/icons/grin.gif

psychofiend

07-31-2003, 08:22 PM

Thanks fan girl.
xoxoxoxoxoxo

Razorback

07-31-2003, 09:58 PM

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I disagree with you on the midichlorin thing. Where does it say everyone has midichlorins? I don't think that was established at all.

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I can understand that you may have only seen that movie once but it is clearly stated (by Qui-Gonn) that:

"Midichlorians are microscopic life forms that dwell in all of us, and we are symbionts with them."

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They reject Anakin because he is too old to start training, the reason it finally gets approved is because of his high midichlorin level since they think he might be the one who will bring balance to the force.

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Yes but you make it sound as if the midicholorian count is what makes one a Jedi, it is not. Anakin's count is important because it follows the prophecy of the One.

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In respect to Yoda, I think it is better to leave it to everyone's imagination than to show it.

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Fair enough, I disagree.

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I've seen the scene edited with the Yoda fighting removed and it just works so much better. It lifts out so easily in fact that maybe Lucas added this in as an after thought. Much like the Obi Wan and Janga fett through the astroid field was.

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I disagree that it works better and the asteroid chase is one of the best action sequences in the movie.

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Next major complaint (don't get me wrong I love Boba Fett), but aren't we getting just a little too much background story for a third rate character that has 2 lines and dies because Han can't see?

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Probably but I love Jango... plus we have no idea if this story plays out more in Episode 3. You make a good point though.

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To me ATOC, feels like a bunch of "fanboy" moments that are put in that makes the rest of the agonizing love story forgivable.

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I actually think it is not very fanboyish. On the contrary, it is full of well staged scenes with the good love story moments cut out of the movie in favor of two bad ones.

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People liked it better than Menace because there was a lot more action, but also everyone's expectations were a whole lot lower. To have a movie be better than Menance should not be acceptable. The standard should be the Originals.

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I don't think the originals are any better. So if the standard is the originals then Lucas exceeded that standard, for me at least. The fact that you don't like it has no impact on my love for it. I respect your opinion but I am in no way swayed by it. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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Yes, the originals are flawed. I freely admit that and I got into an interesting conversation with a woman who refuses to accept anything following Star Wars. She felt that Empire and Jedi change what she liked about the first one.

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A friend of mine thinks Empire is the worst out of the five... this just proves that opinions are like cigar filters, silly. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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I was and am a big supporter of the Phantom Edit.

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Having actually had a bit of an exchange with the editor (and having seen his version) I am a fan too. However, the whole "Jar Jar" sucks thing is FANBOYish. I have no problem with the character. Sure, he is annoying and too cute at times but so what? He works as intended and I have no ties to the series that makes me feel as if he is an offense to my childhood.

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I could go on and on about nit picky little things that bothered me, but the deflated feeling when I walked out of Menace after thinking about midichlorins really bothered me.

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I hate to say it, but your misguided opinion about the affect of midichlorians in the Jedi selection process. There is no doubt that, even more than Jar Jar, this part of the prequels has been totally blown out of proportion. It is not what people make it out to be, it is a pretty benign introduction to the series and not some "end all, be all way to identify a Force user".

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It isn't ruining anything as long as the originals are in tact, but we don't even have that anymore since he went back and fixed them.

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Greedo shoots first... Luke cries out when he jumps in Empire... Han talks to Jabba and steps on his tail in Episode 4... don't get me started!

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If the rumors are true about the big surprise twist in Episode 3, I will turn in my hat as a Star Wars fan and walk away from the whole thing. I will be someone who likes the original movies, but will no longer consider myself a fan. I sincerely hope the rumors are untrue and that Episode 3 raises the bar back up, but what kind of hope can I have as long as Lucas remains in charge?

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I think I know the rumor you are talking about... I don't believe it is true. However, if it is then we will see how it is worked in. If I like it then good; if not then very, very bad.

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This isn't just any old movie series. This is a movie that changed a generation.

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And is being unfairly held up to a standard that never existed. We were children and our memory of the movies (at least for many) is distorted... and continues to distort our view of them as adults. At least in my opinion. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

In any case, I am happy to say that my love for Star Wars has continued with the new movies... I wish many of you could experience them the same way but I respect your decision to dislike/bash them. At least my childhood is intact. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

RB

THX1138

07-31-2003, 11:31 PM

Even though this post has derailed on some tangent I too will join in. I can agree with all the statements in some way. This is not to be a crowd pleaser but because my own opinions have changed. I too believe and will always believe that Jar Jar was a terrible idea. But with the lack of humor that was needed from the C3P0 character someone needed to fill the bill. I think the reason most people hated Jar Jar is cause who his humor targeted, children. For our generation and the generation before me, we counted on the static humor that was what we experienced in the OT. The PM was pretty low as compared to the "Holy Trilogy" but that is because we have been exposed to the hype for so long that we had the train of thought this will be the best movie. So with all the hype we went into the theater expecting this movie would put the HT to rest and we would have something new to "worship". We were expecting to much and you could tell that from the way people acted to get tickets for the show. When many of us left that theater we realized we weren't the target audience so much. It was geared towards children more than young adults/adults. But with that performance behind us we were ready for Ep two, not as excited for it as Ep One. So we came into Ep two prepared for it to be better than TPM and low and behold many of us were blown away. I like my friend ridiculed it for awhile mostly for the Death Star problem. But I got over it. I felt that no matter how much I thought it was "screwed up" it was still that sureal expeience.

So for those of you who a hung up on the details I urge you to put it behind you. Don't look at it as just a movie or a book. Take yourself to that galaxly that is far far away and experience it like it were science non-fiction. Let it take you back to when you were that wide-eyed little boy/girl seeing the story for the first time. Be Luke or Leia or even Han or Chewie if that's your thing.

Dr3vil

08-01-2003, 10:42 AM

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Posted by RB:
"Episodes 2 and 5 rule! The rest are fun."

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I agree absolutely. Although I felt like Lucas molested my childhood when Greedo shot first and was largely dissapointed by Episode 1, I thought Clones redeemed the series.

A Fett vs. Obi fight seen, Yoda kicking ass, the movie even ends on a down note with a severed hand. Sure James Earl Jones and Harrison Ford weren't there to do enough good acting for the whole cast, but it had as much of Empire you could ask for while Lucas is directing.

By the way, as far as E3 predictions, the prequels seem designed to mirror the trilogy: Phantom Menace is annoyingly child friendly and ends with a simultaneous space, land, and saber battle, just like Jedi and its Ewoks (why couldn't they have been wookies? ...why?). So hopefully it can imitate A New Hope well enough, though it has the additional advantage of a necessarily depressing ending.

In any case, I stand by the old saying: you simply cannot please all the people, all the time. At the very least Lucas has greatly expanded the universe he created and, as has been alluded to, I think we enjoy the universe of the Star Wars far more than any one movie. Would you have a thought of a double light saber? No you wouldn't have, shut up. Did you know how Yoda fights? While the new movies may have faultered at points, I think they enriched Star Wars as a whole.

A movie can't make you six years old again and, if you haven't noticed, the six year olds seem to be enjoying the new movies more than most.

Razorback

08-01-2003, 01:52 PM

****SPOILER*******

The original concept for Return of the Jedi had Wookies instead of Ewoks... well, we are getting Wookies in Episode 3 (including Chewie).

RB

karmattack

08-01-2003, 02:00 PM

Man, reading arguments about Star Wars gives me an erection. Only in reverse.

psychofiend

08-01-2003, 02:05 PM

Are you saying you are getting a clit.

karmattack

08-01-2003, 02:07 PM

No, it's more like a Star Wars Virginia

Razorback

08-01-2003, 02:11 PM

Then stop reading them.

RB

karmattack

08-01-2003, 02:15 PM

Aye, aye, Cap'n

FanGirl

08-01-2003, 02:24 PM

Amazing how a good discusion can go down hill so quickly.

Razorback

08-01-2003, 02:29 PM

Yeah... sad.

RB

Robbo_the_Hood

08-01-2003, 02:29 PM

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Star Wars Virginia

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Oh, tell me that was intentional. I honestly can't stop laughing because of that R.

karmattack

08-01-2003, 02:36 PM

the R and the I

and yes

Dr3vil

08-01-2003, 05:29 PM

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"Amazing how a good discusion can go down hill so quickly."

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I just clicked on the fourth page, was it something I did?

In any case, it's like what they say about hit and runs, it happend way back there and I gotta stop living in the past...

psychofiend

08-01-2003, 06:11 PM

Holy Jesus! We killed the [censored] discuassion... I feel like a [censored], well actrually i feel like a person but that's beyond the point.

THX1138

08-03-2003, 01:02 AM

What if we brought in the shock paddles do you think that could bring it back. Or what if one of the ladies here decided to give it CPR. Or we could just let 'er die.

Antonio_Bay

01-06-2009, 01:06 PM

These old Star Wars threads are fun reads.

DarthMaulRat

01-06-2009, 02:05 PM

Yeah, this takes me right back to 2003. Sitting in my freshman college dorm room, beating the snot out of those who came to challenge me in Goldeneye.