kevin's opinion

[chaliemon]

IS Affleck really that whipped on the bad actor/singer as it seems. My god man....

[towelie99]

Yeah, we all have our Kryptonite.

Women. Can't live without them, and God do they ever know it! Nothing against you, girls, but would it kill you to fight fair every now and then.

My 2 cents.

[code6enterprises]

How could he not be whipped? Look at her.

[ratm1966]

Assfleck whipped? I would say so. Afterall, his entire fortune seems to be going to gifts for her.

[towelie99]

You said ASSFLECK! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

[Zens_7s]

Well...we don't really know either of them. (At least I do not) It is true that I do not care for JLo's music, or her movies since Out of Sight. However, I do not think you can take a individual's occupational talent and determine what type of person they are.

If you could do that, most of us would really be in trouble for posting more at MoviePoopShoot than we do putting in hard time at our jobs. Nobody ever erected a statue for a critic.

As patrons we have the right to criticize their work, but beyond that it begs to get your own action.

[ratm1966]

You mean people here actually take time out from work to post messages? No way! No wonder the economy is in a slump.

[Ryall]

Would you like Kevin's opinion of your question? That's actually a much more interesting reply than what he thinks about two of his friends.

[Razorback]

To answer your question, no he is not. After all, he is not with a bad actor or a bad singer. He is with Jennifer Lopez; a fine actor and performer. You must be thinking of someone else.

RB

[chaliemon]

NO, I am not knocking Ben (GLory Daze was great). JLO had him put a new elevator in his building. I am not a starfucker, but am confused. Every time this girl takes a step, we hear about it. I could give a [censored] about her personally. Just wondering why someone with talent and a seemingly good head on his shoulders can put up with such. My question may not be a great one, but it is somewhat well thought out. Also, what about the great female actresses like Kathleen Turner (Maddie Walker in BOdy Heat?) and singer's like Aretha and Gladys...? The news should be focused on true talent, not a fine girl with marginal talent (other than in U Turn)

[Robbo_the_Hood]

Looks like someone is trying to dig themselves out of a hole.
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great female actresses like Kathleen Turner (Maddie Walker in BOdy Heat?)

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Who is this you speak of? I've never heard of such a TV show. You could at least refrence something with a Bridges in it or something.

[chaliemon]

Not a hole, out of confusion...I don't get it. I mean there is so much more newsworthy stuff going on in the world than what kind of makeup someone wears or where they eat dinner. Trent Reznor said it best: "My god lives on the cover of a magazine, my god comes in a wrapper of cellophane, my god's a pouty little bithc trying to make a scene." And we all know you can't [censored] with Trent.

[chaliemon]

P.S. Sorry, didn't know the "F" word was prohibited...my bad, all apologies...

[ratm1966]

That is why it censors it out. Don't worry about it.

[Robbo_the_Hood]

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And we all know you can't [censored] with Trent.

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I want you to find a copy of the Michael J. Fox/Joan Jett vehicle called "Light of Day." And after you watch the end credits, you tell me how much more you want to worship that little Trent character.

[chaliemon]

That little Trent character was little then. Now, he is the best living songwriter (other than Dylan) and most eclectic musician artist around. And, the Light of Day was a good movie, you can't knock Michael J.

[Zens_7s]

Wait wait wait. Trent Reznor is the best living songwriter next to Bob Dylan? Don't get me wrong, I like NIN, but "i drink the honey inside your hive you are the reason i stay alive" is not on the same plane as Subterranean Homesick Blues. I would give Reznor credit for being a creative composer before a songwriter.

In fact, your comment so boggles my mind I am going to hijack this thread.

New Topic: Name all the songwriters you consider better than Trent Reznor. Do we have enough room on the board for such a discussion? I don't think so.

[psychofiend]

Michael Jackson's songs are eternal.
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre500/e530/e53057rjfdt.jpg

[psychofiend]

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New Topic: Name all the songwriters you consider better than Trent Reznor. Do we have enough room on the board for such a discussion? I don't think so.

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Well there is this one guy who comes to mind he did a few big songs but I'm sure no one else has heard of him. [sarcasm]
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f596/f59611xfvuu.jpg

[Zens_7s]

Two excellent entries by Psychofiend already.

[psychofiend]

...I must also add that even though Jack-O's music will last forever his skin color never stays the same. He sued people for using offensive remarks about his race... which one??

[Robbo_the_Hood]

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And, the Light of Day was a good movie, you can't knock Michael J.

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One, I know you've never seen 'Light of Day.' You would have cried seeing a bleach blonde Trent Reznor playing a synthesizer in a new wave band.
Two, 'Light of Day' is great because of a certain songwriter's contributions. See, if you step outside of your little denial filled world, and take a good look at artists that aren't some flash-in-the-pan attention starved geeks, then you may find out the Boss, Bruce [censored]' Springsteen, is the greatest songwriter in American (I did not say world, America has only been around for two centuries) history, living or otherwise. With regards to the late Bill Hicks, I can prove it on a home computer.

Any time you ever told your girlfriend, "It's a town full of losers, I'm pulling out of here to win," Springsteen wrote a song about it. Any time you want to call an ex-girlfriend just to see what she's up to, Springsteen wrote a song about it. Any time you hate your job and want to quit, but can't because the only reward you can ever hope to get comes from working harder, well Springsteen wrote albums about that. He is the only songwriter to consistantly capture what it means to be American. And Born in the USA is not a call to arms.

Now, you're little never-was Reznor? He writes about drugs and religion. Well, religion is dead, much like his career now. He's full of teen-angst. Maybe because he doesn't want anyone to see his performance in 'Light of Day.' Most of his songs have to do with him jumping around and saying, "look at me. I'm over here. My names Trent, and I'm cool because I'm all sad and brooding." He's playing a character just like he used to when he played Dungeons and Dragons. He thinks he's some master wizard or something.

Springsteen and Reznor come from two different schools. Springsteen comes from that pre-MTV era when songwriting was important. Sure, he used MTV to his advantage in the 80's, but he was already famous a decade before then. Reznor obviously showed up when the only thing that mattered was image. He just broods on stage, becuase the only thing he cares about is his looks. Trent Reznor's no better than Justin Timberlake.

[chaliemon]

I said Bob Dylan is a better songwriter, but Trent pulls the emotions out just like Bob. Petty is decent, but we need to think of Beck, Lou Reed, Bowie (a god in his own rite), Ledbelly, Cobain, etc. Michael Jackson wrote good songs, but not great LYRICS....Reznor is amazing, one of best living- but he also does EVERYTHING himself.

[chaliemon]

Robbo- the Boss is the [censored]. I agree. also, I HAVE seen Light of Day and it was an embarrassing Reznor moment. Reznor sings neither about drugs nor religion on point. If you listen to PRETTYHATEMACHINE, you will see that it is about love lost. Something we all should know about. And Trent didnt find his nitch until around that time. Bowie went from Ziggy, to Mod, etc...and now is still making wicked music. Only reason I saw Light of Day was when i was a kid i was a Michael J. fan (even saw Frighteners)

[Zens_7s]

"Pull[ing] the emotions out" is the inflection of the singers voice, not songwriting. Not even in the same ballpark. Songwriting is, by definition, the WRITING of songs; not conveying emotion. Trent Reznor's songs barely have lyrics, and when they do it is something "head like a hole, black as your soul" repeated over and over for three [censored] minutes.

Heavens, at the rate we are going you will say Michael Bolton is the best "songwriter of our time" because he tries so damn hard to squeeze out his notes he appears constipated and on the verge of implosion.

[chaliemon]

Zens- if you like Lou Reed and the Velvet Underground (first real punk band)...he is a huge NIN fan and has commented repeatedly at the SMARTness of NIN's music...you point out one song---look up the lyrics to the Fragile and Something I can Never Have...oh, Radiohead anyone??? Bowie?

[ratm1966]

Well, since Tom and Dylan were already mentioned, we might as well add all of the other Traveling Wilbury's: Roy Orbison, George Harrison, and Jeff Lynne.

In all actuallity, the list is endless. I have over 500 CD's and I would have to say that 499 of them are by better songwriters. That is only because the other one is a NIN CD. Don't get me wrong, NIN has some great music, but I wouldn't say it was because of the writing. It is because of the singing.

[Robbo_the_Hood]

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if you like Lou Reed and the Velvet Underground (first real punk band)...he is a huge NIN fan and has commented repeatedly at the SMARTness of NIN's music...

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Does that mean you'd drink Diet Coke if Lou Reed endorsed it. You know, I heard the opening to 'Heroin' on a car commercial. Obviously Lou Reed endorses that car. Are you going to go buy it now? You should. Lou Reed says it's the smoothest automobile he's ever driven.

Kanyonero

[Zens_7s]

You are misunderstanding me. NIN is not without talent. I have always enjoyed NIN and Trent's music. What I am disagreeing with you on AGAIN, is their songwriting. One or two songs with great lyrics does not the greatest living songwriter title make. Honestly, I love the Velvet Underground, but I would never call them the greatest living songwriters either. Songwriting is different than the total composition. Had you have stated "Trent Reznor is the most brilliant musician ever", I would not have bothered to debate you. He is a musician, and that is your opinion. Maybe you are just misusing the word songwriter.

Radiohead is parts brilliant, and parts experimental crap. Is Radiohead often a genre-bending, challenging band that makes me have faith in the future of Rock-n-Roll? Sure. Is Radiohead often an elitist, glorified techno band with a major chip on their shoulder and contempt for their fans? Sure. I view bands like NIN and Radiohead as modern day composers, with occasional forays into songwriting. If you want to pick a category Reznor would win “greatest living” in, maybe it would be best to find the categories that fit what his goals are.

[chaliemon]

Amen folks. Right now I am into trading and have over 4000 hours of music. Most of it Phish and Dead. However, I still feel that Trent as a package (lyrics,+ voice+music) is an all around top 2 or 3. As for your Radiohead opinion, I do not disagree. I am just thankful they are not Oasis. The Beatles were exerimental, and their best albums were their most experimental (Revolver, White, Abbey, Sgt. Peppers, Magical Mystery). Speaking of a great [censored] song, "Working Class Hero". Robbo, you are ALWAYS right and I am humbled in your superior knowledge of everything. Back to square 1- How come no one has mentioned JLO.....LOL (PS NO VU in a car commerical, i dont believe it- zeppelin yes))

[meandmyshadow]

In no discernable order: Prince, Peter Gabriel, Carol King, James Taylor, Joni Mitchell, The Bee Gees, Lane Staley, Quincy Jones, Marvin Gaye.

[chaliemon]

Layne Staley? Bee Gees? Q? I agree with the rest, but not all Prince....Hank Williams Sr. and motherfuckin' JOHNNY CASH

[Zens_7s]

Well it is about time we starting talking some sense around here people. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif Johnny Cash. Sigh - any guy who says they are a badass should check themselves against Cash first. How many musicians can claim to have lit their own forest fire? He does a great cover of NIN's Hurt, part of my July mix tape.

By the way - I think I shall print out Robbo's Bruce post and laminate it. Maybe frame it. That was some good [censored].

[Robbo_the_Hood]

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Robbo, you are ALWAYS right and I am humbled in your superior knowledge of everything.

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It's about damn time someone appreciated me. Keep up this attitude and you just may have a future in this organization.

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I think I shall print out Robbo's Bruce post and laminate it. Maybe frame it.

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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I adore her. It's enough to make me want to shave.

[DangerSeeker]

Cash is one of the original badass musicians. He can pretty much do any song and make you feel it deep inside.

Some songwriters I hadn't seen listed yet: Leonard Cohen, Nick Cave, ummm, actually, so many were mentioned. Petty, The Boss, I'm just gonna go hit another thread.

[Zens_7s]

OOOHHHH...Leonard Cohen. Very nice work Danger. Have you read Stranger Music? It's a collection of his lyrics and poetry. In my house, it's considered essential reading, and one of my top 10 desert island books.

I said to Hank Williams, "How lonely does it get?" Hank Williams hasn't answered yet, but I hear him coughing all night long, a hundred floors above me in the tower of song - Leonard Cohen "The Tower of Song"

[DangerSeeker]

I've somehow never heard of it, partly because I just never thought to look in the book section for him, partly because sometimes my friends and I get that lazy "I thought I told you" problem. Will get it next paycheck, though.

As much as I like the music, I really dig when he does spoken word versions of his songs. "Thousand Kisses Deep" read out in his distinct tone is like Barry White for the cool kids.

[chaliemon]

well..this thread has made it well...however, are we forgetting roy acuff and patsy cline. Robbo, i just got your canyonero joke...and no, i wouldnt buy something because an artist or star endorses it....i am not a brainless automaton like so many of you think. i have a feeling some of these people are like Vincent from Seinfeld and Jack Black in High Fidelity....talking down to others because there is nothing else there...c