50 worst things to happen to music

[JuliaWinston]

Which of these do you think is the worst of the worst? http://www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?ID=1913&src=GM18 I think we can count #39 (AIDS) out because that was obviously worst for more than just music. I totally disagree with #5 (ecstasy) because I think that before that no one bothered to think of music as something to trance dance to, and that having that opportunity outweighs the 75% of electronic music folk who aren’t really musicians.

[Threadkiller]

A lot of those things are actually cool and not bad for music. These ones however, struck me as particularly bad.

28. The Disappearance of Independent Record Stores
22. Lists That Reduce Rock History to a Series of Glib Soundbites
21. Nearly Every Hip-Hop Video

[ratm1966]

I totally disagree with #5 (ecstasy) because I think that before that no one bothered to think of music as something to trance dance to, and that having that opportunity outweighs the 75% of electronic music folk who aren’t really musicians.
How old are you anyways? People were getting stoned, high, etc to music for decades. Long before X came out. Hell, the 60s were just about nothing but people listening to and playing music while in a drug induced trance.

[DarthMaulRat]

For millions, Jimmy Buffett isn’t just a guy who writes songs about putzing around the Caribbean — he’s a shining symbol of the “good life.” That so few of them will get any closer to this life than hanging out in a dank bar called The Banana Boat, wearing a Hawaiian shirt, sipping a frozen daiquiri and waiting for their turn to karaoke “Margaritaville” is monumentally depressing.

Or as my one friend always says, "Parrothead is the worse classification to come out since fascist."

[JuliaWinston]

How old are you anyways? People were getting stoned, high, etc to music for decades. Long before X came out. Hell, the 60s were just about nothing but people listening to and playing music while in a drug induced trance.

I'm 30. Trance dancing is as old as time and the beat, but the dancing that was done in the western world in the 60's is not what I am talkign about. I am talking about 8-10 hour sessions of dance wherein the dancer reaches a spiritual space with intention. Like whirling dervish style. Raving and X is all partie now, but when it began there was this element, and it brought dancing back with a vengeance. It has nothing to do with the drug(s), it's the dancing. You could make a case for disco being the initiator, but that still wasn't with intention, it was about sex, not about spirit.

[Dave]

22. Lists That Reduce Rock History to a Series of Glib Soundbites


Is this intentionally ironic, or not?

[Sheriff]

49. That dude who yells “Freebird!” (http://www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?id=828) at every rock show

*giggles*

Fanny hits a home run!

[soldierz_1]

Although Hip Hop has had a negative effect on a lot of things in our society, it is still an expression of a LOT of people living in frustrated situations... definitely sad seeing some of these videos though...

[Davehhh7]

75% of electronic music folk who aren’t really musicians.

I make "electronic music" Specifically trance.

And belive me it is not easy to make, and the artists are talented musicians.

To make electronic music you have to be able to play the Keyboard. Understand EQ'ing and mastering. You have to understand Studio acoustics. Then there's Synthesis. Can't make trance without a synthesizer.

Alot of it is looped yes, but very carefully placed percussion samples.

[fearevil]

I make "electronic music" Specifically trance.

And belive me it is not easy to make, and the artists are talented musicians.

To make electronic music you have to be able to play the Keyboard. Understand EQ'ing and mastering. You have to understand Studio acoustics. Then there's Synthesis. Can't make trance without a synthesizer.

Alot of it is looped yes, but very carefully placed percussion samples.

He has a point.

[Benjininja]

This is a very flame-attracting thing to say but..


...prepare yourselves...


..Bruce Springsteen. Horrible....and Elvis....

[phit_demon]

..Bruce Springsteen. Horrible....and Elvis....
I hadn't quite figured you out just yet. Thanks for making it that little bit easier.

[Benjininja]

I hadn't quite figured you out just yet. Thanks for making it that little bit easier.
I don't know what you mean, sir.
If you're trying to judge my personality on my dislike of certain musicians it's not really the best way.

[Robbo_the_Hood]

I hadn't quite figured you out just yet. Thanks for making it that little bit easier.
Yeah, I don't quite know what this cat is doing posting in my music forum.

[phit_demon]

I don't know what you mean, sir.
If you're trying to judge my personality on my dislike of certain musicians it's not really the best way.
Says you.

Yeah, I don't quite know what this cat is doing posting in my music forum.
Being a douche.

[Zens7s]

This is a very flame-attracting thing to say but..


...prepare yourselves...


..Bruce Springsteen. Horrible....and Elvis....
Oh wow. Just...wow.

You are a John Tesh fan, aren't you?

[phit_demon]

You are a John Tesh fan, aren't you?
Ooooh, acid burn!
I found a pic of three of his biggest fans on his website:

http://www.tesh.com/site/files/A8x55e1x68x1.jpg

PARRRRRR-DY!!! :D

[Benjininja]

I really don't have the first clue who John Tesh is.

I just think Elvis was important by making it acceptable to listen to the "black music" of the time but I don't see the man as anything close to the preformer he's made out to be.

As for Bruce Sringsteen I really don't understand his popularity.

[Robbo_the_Hood]

As for Bruce Sringsteen I really don't understand his popularity.
Well, that makes a whole lot of sense seeing as you aren't American.

[FanGirl]

Wow. I wished I lived in a world that didn't know who John Tesh was.

[Benjininja]

I am american
And I was indeed born in america

[Sheriff]

*singing*

"I was, Born in the U.S.A."

[BizarroPunisher]

Wow. I wished I lived in a world that didn't know who John Tesh was.
No John Tesh? That would madness, just like a world without David Hasselhoff.

http://991.com/newgallery//David-Hasselhoff-Jump-In-My-Car-375116.jpg
It's just my opinion, but I don't think it's safe to jump in his car.

[phit_demon]

Well, that makes a whole lot of sense seeing as you aren't American.
Pfff, that means nothing. The Boss is a worldwide phenomenon.
Did I mention I saw him in November with The Seeger Session Band? It was a few days before I saw Tool. A 30 piece band and Springy giving it socks for 2 hours 45 minutes? Magic!

[Robbo_the_Hood]

I am american
And I was indeed born in america
I just assumed NE stood for the Netherlands, seeing as there are no crapholes in the United States.

[Benjininja]

No crapholes in america? You clearly have never been to Nebraska.

[Razorback]

No crapholes in america? You clearly have never been to Nebraska.

You can't be a newbie. You post like a veteran. WHO ARE YOU?!

[Benjininja]

I am a veteran, good sir. I lost a leg for that flag. BUH DUM CHING

[fearevil]

I have to say R'n'B is really bad.

[phit_demon]

I have to say R'n'B is really bad.
Wow, what a sweeping statement.

[Robbo_the_Hood]

I have to say R'n'B is really bad.
Yeah! Stoopid Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Ike Turner, and Robert Johnson! When have black people ever made positive contributions to music?

[ratm1966]

I have to say R'n'B is really bad.
By R&B are you referring to all of that rap shit that people call R&B? If so, then I agree.

However, the real R&B is great and many true R&B artists have been great influences on many of today's artists.

[Publicsecrecy]

Gwen Stefani.

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[phit_demon]

Gwen Stefani.

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As far as crappy pop goes you could a lot worse. Plus, she is FIIIIIIIINE!

[Sheriff]

I have to say R'n'B is really bad.

Rhythm and Blues is for people who enjoy sex, maybe it's not your thing.

[Sargoth]

First of all, if I had a list of the worst things to happen in music it would consist of one thing: RAP. Not some rap. Not most rap. ALL RAP.

I sincerely hope that list is meant to be a joke. How else could number 9 be explained (Whitey)? I don't know which is worse, that a widely published magazine can blatantly insult an entire race of people, or that there is not one word of outrage.

[phit_demon]

First of all, if I had a list of the worst things to happen in music it would consist of one thing: RAP. Not some rap. Not most rap. ALL RAP.
You are an idiot who clearly has no appreciation for musical talent. That is the only way to explain your above comment.
Go listen to some death metal, douche!

[Sargoth]

You are an idiot who clearly has no appreciation for musical talent. That is the only way to explain your above comment.
Go listen to some death metal, douche!

Ahh, so anyone who doesn't hold the same opinion as you is an idiot? Since when did everyone's opinion on the planet (except yours) cease to matter? Grow up.

And by the way, although I'm not a big death metal fan, I'd much rather listen to that than rap.

[phit_demon]

Ahh, so anyone who doesn't hold the same opinion as you is an idiot? Since when did everyone's opinion on the planet (except yours) cease to matter? Grow up.

And by the way, although I'm not a big death metal fan, I'd much rather listen to that than rap.
The name of the thread is "50 worst things to happen to music". In it, you stated that "all rap" was one of the worst things to happen to music. This makes you an idiot.
Do you like Rage Against The Machine, The Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers or Fun Lovin' Criminals? You heard a 50 cent song or two and decided to make sweeping statements about a genre you don't understand.

[Sheriff]

Ahh, so anyone who doesn't hold the same opinion as you is an idiot? Since when did everyone's opinion on the planet (except yours) cease to matter? Grow up.

And by the way, although I'm not a big death metal fan, I'd much rather listen to that than rap.

We do not tolerate intolerance.

[Sargoth]

The name of the thread is "50 worst things to happen to music". In it, you stated that "all rap" was one of the worst things to happen to music. This makes you an idiot.


Now your changing your tactic. Originally you claimed I was an idiot simply because I did not like rap. Now you are trying to say that it is because I only listed one thing. Make up your mind.

How about this. If I were to make a list of the 50 worst things to happen to music, RAP would be NUMBER ONE. And yes, rap is a style (one style, singular), so it can be considered one thing.


Do you like Rage Against The Machine, The Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers or Fun Lovin' Criminals?

I have not heard Fun Lovin' Criminals. I have heard the other bands though, and I hate all of them.


You heard a 50 cent song or two and decided to make sweeping statements about a genre you don't understand

Now your simply making assumptions about me. Just because I do not like a style of music doesn't mean I don't "understand" it. I heard far more rap than one or two 50 cent songs. I have had to listen to rap from co-workers at work, in clubs, in record stores, on TV, in movies, annoying neighbors, even in VIDEO GAMES. In fact, in this day and age it is almost impossible to even walk down the street without hearing rap. I have heard far more rap than I ever wanted to hear and would not mind a bit if I never had to hear any again.

[Robbo_the_Hood]

Ahh, so anyone who doesn't hold the same opinion as you is an idiot? Since when did everyone's opinion on the planet (except yours) cease to matter? Grow up.

And by the way, although I'm not a big death metal fan, I'd much rather listen to that than rap.
Awesome! Considering the name of the site in his signature, how did we end up with a White Supremacist obviously flame baiting in my Music Forum?

And again, it's too bad that all of the music you listen to right now can be attributed to African-Americans.

Whitey ruined music by turning it into a business. Whitey ruins everything by exploiting it and turning it into a business. Slavery was just a brother helping out with yard work until Whitey turned it into a big business.

And have you seen a John Hughes movie? All them cracker-kids dancing at the prom...there's a reason for stereotypes. How many times do I have to say it? "Two and Four, Honkey!"

By the way, you're going about advertising your link in entirely the wrong fashion. I'd tell you how to do it properly, but with the money I make, I'm keeping it a trade secret.

And while I know you're never coming back to read this because both reading and technology anger up the blood (explains book burnings and that the earth is only 6000 years old). That, and all that keeping the white race pure must not be good for your depth perception, what with that one eye and all. I imagine typing with webbed fingers is a chore as well. And how do you hit the space bar without any opposable thumbs?

This isn't a matter of difference of opinion. As anyone will tell you, my musical taste is above reproach, which is why this is my music forum.

And I don't allow ignorance in my music forum, Cletus.

[By-tor]

This isn't a matter of difference of opinion. As anyone will tell you, my musical taste is above reproach, which is why this is my music forum.

And I don't allow ignorance in my music forum, Cletus.Word, yo!!

[Robbo_the_Hood]

Word, yo!!
Word is bond, Brother.

[Sargoth]

Awesome! Considering the name of the site in his signature, how did we end up with a White Supremacist obviously flame baiting in my Music Forum?.

Ahh, since it has the name "white male" in it it must be a WHITE SUPREMIST SITE. You obviously have not even visited the site or you would know otherwise. The fact that you make the assumption without even visiting the site exposes your level of intelligence.


And again, it's too bad that all of the music you listen to right now can be attributed to African-Americans.

Actually, there are some black people in the bands that I like. I have nothing against black people. And while it is true that many styles today can be attributed to black people, it is also true that they can be attributed to white people and others as well.

But why would you assume that I have anything against black people anyway, just because I hate rap? Music is not people and people are not music. By the same token you could ignorantly claim that anyone who does not like metal hates white people.



Whitey ruined music by turning it into a business. Whitey ruins everything by exploiting it and turning it into a business. Slavery was just a brother helping out with yard work until Whitey turned it into a big business.


And have you seen a John Hughes movie? All them cracker-kids dancing at the prom...there's a reason for stereotypes. How many times do I have to say it? "Two and Four, Honkey!"

First you claim that I am racist, despite the fact that I have not made any racist claims or assumptions. Then you proceed to make racist comments about whites. You are a hypocrite as well as a racist moron.

[JK]

...I have not heard Fun Lovin' Criminals. I have heard the other bands though, and I hate all of them...

Troglodyte.

Fun Lovin' Criminals was the best CD I ever stole.





Now I want some Scooby Snacks...

[Sargoth]

And for the record, WhiteMalesAnonymous is an ANTI-racist site, and I am against white supremecy as well as all forms of racism. Also, I suppose it might be informative to mention that I am Jewish. It wouldn't make much sense for me to be a white supremist, now would it, considering the whole nazis killing jews thing and all?:rolleyes:

[By-tor]

Music is not people and people are not music. I played a gig last nite in front of a small crowd of 75, or so. You are so far off-base with this statement it's comical. And, don't fuck with Robbo. You'll get your ass handed to you on a platter.

[Robbo_the_Hood]

First I am racist, as well as a racist moron.
Welll, you're correct in assuming I am not going to your site nor will I go. It's not the "White Males," Part. But considering your only posts in my forum save one have been about how much you hate rap music, and judging by the name and description of your site, I'll venture to guess you're one of them white folks who thinks he's actually the oppressed just because you have to share a restroom with someone darker than you, and can't use a certain N word anymore.

Besides, this is my music forum. I don't see a eugenics forum on here, but I will guarantee you that I won't be in it. Pedal your translucent-blue ass somewhere else, Flipper. At the rate you're going, that knuckle-dragging stereotype is going to jump to white people.

And just so we're clear that this is a music forum, your favorite band sucks.

[Robbo_the_Hood]

And for the record, WhiteMalesAnonymous is an ANTI-racist site, and I am against white supremecy as well as all forms of racism. Also, I suppose it might be informative to mention that I am Jewish. It wouldn't make much sense for me to be a white supremist, now would it, considering the whole nazis killing jews thing and all?:rolleyes:
You never saw the Believer, did you?

[Sargoth]

I played a gig last nite in front of a small crowd of 75, or so. You are so far off-base with this statement it's comical.

So, you think being a musician makes your opinion more valid? I am a musician as well and have played in front of people. People cannot be reduced to nothing more than their musical tastes. I haven't encountered that mentality since seventh grade. "I won't hang out with so-and-so because they're not cool! They don't like (insert musical style here)!" LOL!

[Robbo_the_Hood]

"I won't hang out with so-and-so because they're not cool! They don't like (insert musical style here)!" LOL!
Just like your attitude, that you won't hang out with people because of the color of their skin? Yeah, that's morally superior.

[Sargoth]

Welll, you're correct in assuming I am not going to your site nor will I go. It's not the "White Males," Part. But considering your only posts in my forum save one have been about how much you hate rap music, and judging by the name and description of your site, I'll venture to guess you're one of them white folks who thinks he's actually the oppressed just because you have to share a restroom with someone darker than you, and can't use a certain N word anymore.

You assumed wrong.



Besides, this is my music forum. I don't see a eugenics forum on here, but I will guarantee you that I won't be in it. Pedal your translucent-blue ass somewhere else, Flipper. At the rate you're going, that knuckle-dragging stereotype is going to jump to white people.

Ahh, yet another stunning example of racist rhetoric.


And just so we're clear that this is a music forum, your favorite band sucks.

Coming from someone who thinks that hating rap is racist, I take that as a compliment. :D

[Sargoth]

Just like your attitude, that you won't hang out with people because of the color of their skin? Yeah, that's morally superior.

Yet another wrong assumption. I have non-white friends, and my wife is Syrian. I'll have to tell my wife's family about your comment. they should get a good kick out of it. :D

[Robbo_the_Hood]

Okay, I'll go and find out.

No, wait I won't.

it's not racist that you hate rap music. However, you're still a racist. All be it, you are tired of feeling guilty for being a racist, and you have your little program worked out because it's white people who are really oppressed. So, you point out how other people are actually the racists, trying to deflect that it was you and your relatives that were doing all the oppressing in the first place.

But what do I know.

Just everything about music. Take it out of my forum and put it in the off topic forum.

[By-tor]

So, you think being a musician makes your opinion more valid?Did I say that, dipshit?

I am a musician as well and have played in front of people.
What do you feel when looking into a crowded room of people singing your tunes? Looking up at you smiling and enjoying the hell out of themselves. Do you not feel the connection between you and those fans? Or, have you never had that pleasure because you ain't got the chops? :rolleyes:

People cannot be reduced to nothing more than their musical tastes. I haven't encountered that mentality since seventh grade. "I won't hang out with so-and-so because they're not cool! They don't like (insert musical style here)!" LOL!So, your saying you would hang out with someone that liked Rap. You can't have it both ways.

[Sargoth]

Okay, I'll go and find out.

No, wait I won't.

it's not racist that you hate rap music. However, you're still a racist.

I am not a racist. Why would you make that assumption? I hold no racist views, nor have I made any racist comments or suggestions.

You on the other hand have made it a point to spew racial slurs and rhetoric. Need I point them out?



So, you point out how other people are actually the racists.

The only person that I'm pointing out as a racist is you, and only because you've revealed yourself as a racist by making racist comments.



But what do I know.

Just everything about music. Take it out of my forum and put it in the off topic forum.

Let me refresh your memory. I made a post about which bands are my favorite, and what I thought should be in the 50 worst things to happen to music. I also stated how number 9 on the list was racist. Both posts were on topic.

While it's true that this may be your forum, logic is clearly not on you side. Feel free to move this post if you feel that you must. Apparently it is the only way for you to conclude this topic without further embarrassing yourself.

[Sargoth]

Did I say that, dipshit?

No, but it sounds like you implied it. If not, then why did you even bother to mention it?


What do you feel when looking into a crowded room of people singing your tunes? Looking up at you smiling and enjoying the hell out of themselves. Do you not feel the connection between you and those fans? Or, have you never had that pleasure because you ain't got the chops? :rolleyes:

That is not the same thing as implying that rap IS black people and black people ARE rap. Did I say that I hate blues? No.

Furthermore, if your going to make that assumption, you would have to assume that anyone who hates classical, opera or country hates whites (which of course would be a ridiculous assumption).

So, your saying you would hang out with someone that liked Rap. You can't have it both ways.

I'm saying I don't base my friendships on musical tastes alone. Yes I have friends who like music that I don't like (including rap).

[By-tor]

No, but it sounds like you implied it. If not, then why did you even bother to mention it? Implied? Fuck, here we go. :rolleyes: I mentioned it because when I'm playing to a crowd of fans, people are music and music is people. Get it? I really doubt it.




That is not the same thing as implying that rap IS black people and black people ARE rap. Did I say that I hate blues? No.
I didn't imply jack shit. You made an assumption.

Furthermore, if your going to make that assumption, you would have to assume that anyone who hates classical, opera or country hates whites (which of course would be a ridiculous assumption). See above.



I'm saying I don't base my friendships on musical tastes alone. Yes I have friends who like music that I don't like (including rap).You just don't hang around them when they're listening to their music. Right? :rolleyes:

[phit_demon]

Now your changing your tactic. Originally you claimed I was an idiot simply because I did not like rap. Now you are trying to say that it is because I only listed one thing.
First of all, if I had a list of the worst things to happen in music it would consist of one thing: RAP. Not some rap. Not most rap. ALL RAP.
You did not state in your first post that you did not like rap. Read the latter of the two above quotes, and you'll see clearly what you said, as your opening gambit no less.

I have heard far more rap than I ever wanted to hear and would not mind a bit if I never had to hear any again.
I feel the same way about your rambling posts.

Ahh, since it has the name "white male" in it it must be a WHITE SUPREMIST SITE.
Pretty much, yeah. Since inciting racial hatred is illegal, bigotted fuck heads like yourself have to disguise their true intentions with not-very-clever wordplay.

I played a gig last nite in front of a small crowd of 75, or so. You are so far off-base with this statement it's comical.
I could not have put it better myself.

Actually, there are some black people in the bands that I like.
And I bet you could tell us exactly how many, too.

Make up your mind.
I have: You're a moron

[Sargoth]

I didn't imply jack shit. You made an assumption.

I never made that assumption that black people are rap and rap is black people. Robbo made that assumption by claiming that I was racist simply because I hate rap. I pointed out that black people are not rap and vice versa by stating "People are not music and music is not people". You defended his claim be stating that people are indeed music and music is people. So it sounds to me like you agree with that assumption. Otherwise, why would you defend it?


You just don't hang around them when they're listening to their music. Right? :rolleyes:

There are other things to do besides listen to music. If I'm with someone who likes different music than me, we either try to find something we both can tolerate or not listen to anything.

[Sargoth]

You did not state in your first post that you did not like rap. Read the latter of the two above quotes, and you'll see clearly what you said, as your opening gambit no less.

In my first post in this thread I stated that rap is the worst thing to happen to music. That pretty much sums up the fact that I DO NOT LIKE RAP.




Pretty much, yeah. Since inciting racial hatred is illegal, bigotted fuck heads like yourself have to disguise their true intentions with not-very-clever wordplay.

I did not incite racial hatred. The article in Blender incites racial hatred. I spoke out against it because I am against racism. If anyone is committing an "illegal" act, it is Blender, not me.




And I bet you could tell us exactly how many, too.


I can think of a couple off the top of my head. But what difference does it make anyway?

[phit_demon]

I can think of a couple off the top of my head.
Bullshit! You have a list, and probably a quota too. You like your coffee verrrrrrry milky.

[Sargoth]

Bullshit! You have a list, and probably a quota too. You like your coffee verrrrrrry milky.

Once again a false assumption. It is always a sure sign that someone has nothing to add to an argument when they abandon logic and resort to personal attacks and straw-man fallacies. LOL!

[phit_demon]

Once again a false assumption. It is always a sure sign that someone has nothing to add to an argument when they abandon logic and resort to personal attacks and straw-man fallacies. LOL!
It is not abandoning logic to assume that a racist mung like yourself would have struggled over the fact that there are black people in some of the bands he likes.
Oh, and people who use the phrase "lol" belong in the same category as people who wear sunglasses at night.

[ratm1966]

Well, this thread pretty much got ruined.

[By-tor]

I never made that assumption that black people are rap and rap is black people. Robbo made that assumption by claiming that I was racist simply because I hate rap. I pointed out that black people are not rap and vice versa by stating "People are not music and music is not people". You defended his claim be stating that people are indeed music and music is people. So it sounds to me like you agree with that assumption. Otherwise, why would you defend it? Sounds like an assumption that I agreed with Robbo. I didn't defend shit. I just don't care for the wording of the statement. You dig that?


There are other things to do besides listen to music. If I'm with someone who likes different music than me, we either try to find something we both can tolerate or not listen to anything.See, and the whole fuckin' argument comes back to tolerance. Which it seems, you fuckin' lack.

[Sargoth]

It is not abandoning logic to assume that a racist mung like yourself would have struggled over the fact that there are black people in some of the bands he likes.


It is when there are no facts to back up your assumptions.

[phit_demon]

It is when there are no facts to back up your assumptions.
I suppose you're right, I mean it's not like you have the address to a thinly-veiled racist site in your sig.

[Sargoth]

Sounds like an assumption that I agreed with Robbo. I didn't defend shit. I just don't care for the wording of the statement. You dig that?


By your wording you defended the assumption that black people are rap and rap is black people. It is not up to me to determine whether or not you actually mean what you say.

If in fact you do NOT defend the assumption that black people are rap, and rap is not black people, then would you also agree that it is not racist to hate rap? And if so, would you also agree that the simple fact that I hate rap does not make me a racist?


See, and the whole fuckin' argument comes back to tolerance. Which it seems, you fuckin' lack.

I tolerate music that I don't like when I have to, but obviously I'd rather listen to what I like. Are you not the same way? Isn't everyone the same way?

Also, one's willingness to tolerate a form of music is a far cry from the toleration of an entire race of people. The article in Blender insulted an entire race of people and I merely pointed it out. Yet somehow I am the "intollerent" one. Are you suggesting that we should allow racism to go unchallenged?

[Sargoth]

I suppose you're right, I mean it's not like you have the address to a thinly-veiled racist site in your sig.

There you go again with the false assumptions, making statements about things which you know nothing about. If you knew anything about the site you would know that it is not racist, but ANTI-racist.

[phit_demon]

I gotta scram, I got shit to do. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoLkaGcpJFA) is for our new Klan friend.
I hope Chuck D rapes you in your sleep, while Falva Flav skeets on your face.
Toodles! :D

[Sargoth]

I gotta scram, I got shit to do. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoLkaGcpJFA) is for our new Klan friend.


It is you who are defending racism, not me.

[By-tor]

By your wording you defended the assumption that black people are rap and rap is black people. It is not up to me to determine whether or not you actually mean what you say. Jiminy Fuckin' Shit!!! You assumed I was talking about you and Robbo's bullshit. I just...no, fuck it. I'm not gonna try to explain to you what I was getting at, again.

If in fact you do NOT defend the assumption that black people are rap, and rap is not black people, then would you also agree that it is not racist to hate rap? And if so, would you also agree that the simple fact that I hate rap does not make me a racist?Here's a simple fact. I tire of you. Period. Buh-fuckin'-bye.

[Sargoth]

Here's a simple fact. I tire of you. Period. Buh-fuckin'-bye.

Of course. You cannot even bring yourself to admit the obvious fact that I am not a racist.

[Sheriff]

Here By-tor, lemme try:

By your wording you defended the assumption that black people are rap and rap is black people. It is not up to me to determine whether or not you actually mean what you say.

Sargoth, the only thing that By-tor is defending is that some PEOPLE DEFINE THEMSELVES BY THIER MUSIC! He is a musician so I think it is a good position to defend. He is making no claim about music and race (anywhere), you did.



Did I say that I hate blues? No.

Taken in context, that is a racist statement.


Since it is not up to you to determine what By-tor means, then I will determine what the last 4 posts have been about - "Hey Sargoth, quit being a prick." Assuming that he is racist because he doesn't agree with your flawed logic is weak, drop it.



We don't take kindly to trolls, you have stated that 2 posts were on topic, as of now that makes your contribution to this site 10% on topic and 90% attacking regulars.


Drop the assume/fact/implied bullshit right now. The magazine article was written tongue-in-cheek, #9 was insulting posers in general, no wonder why you got so offended.

[Sheriff]

Actually, there are some black people in the bands that I like.

Don't think for one instant that I shot purple Fanta all over my computer over this, cause you will never know :)

[Sargoth]

Here By-tor, lemme try:



Sargoth, the only thing that By-tor is defending is that some PEOPLE DEFINE THEMSELVES BY THIER MUSIC! He is a musician so I think it is a good position to defend. He is making no claim about music and race (anywhere), you did.

Robbo made the claim that because I hate rap, that I am racist. I disagreed with him by stating that people are not music and that music is not people, thus black people are not rap and rap is not black people. By-tor disagreed with me by stating that people are indeed music. Whether or not he meant to imply that black people are rap is for him to say. But that was the context of the conversation, and it was his mistake if he meant otherwise.





Since it is not up to you to determine what By-tor means, then I will determine what the last 4 posts have been about - "Hey Sargoth, quit being a prick." Assuming that he is racist because he doesn't agree with your flawed logic is weak, drop it.


I never said he was racist, I said Robbo was racist, and given the racist nature of his statements, I have a decent amount of evidence to support that claim. Get your facts straight.


We don't take kindly to trolls, you have stated that 2 posts were on topic, as of now that makes your contribution to this site 10% on topic and 90% attacking regulars.

I'm not a troll. I merely posted my opinion about rap. And if you follow the thread, you'll see that I have not been attacking others, they have been attacking me. Most of my posts have merely been a defense against racist attacks against me, as well as allegations that I am the racist.

You make it sound as if I should not defend myself. If someone were to make false claims against you, would you not defend yourself?


The magazine article was written tongue-in-cheek, #9 was insulting posers in general, no wonder why you got so offended.

#9 is about "whitey". Every point in the argument is about white people. So why would you assume it's insulting posers in general?

And granted I realize its most likely tongue in cheek. That doesn't make it anymore acceptable to spread racism.

[Sheriff]

Ok dude,

What By-tor stated can stand on its own. He doesn't have to agree or disagree with you. You were trying to draw him into a converstion (with your questions) about race and music. That is trolling.

You have yet to produce anything close to a contribution on this thread. The anonymous figure you represent includes: hating rap, promoting a website that has a racist name, married to someone not of his race (and lets everyone know it), and is worried about being called a racist. We get it, drop it and contribute or Cindy Brady will be called in to spank you.

[UncaScroogeMcD]

There is nothing productive happening in this thread... I suggest our newest arrival take Sheriff's recommendation, and start again with a far better first impression, before I turn things Medieval.