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I have an interview tomorrow for a shift supervisor position... getting paid to watch people watch TV... gotta love it.
I should know something by the second of November...
jjcourtright
10-26-2005, 06:23 PM
While watching said people watch TV, are you also allowed to watch TV?
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Mighty Wingman
10-26-2005, 06:48 PM
Luck.
.........
FanGirl
10-26-2005, 07:14 PM
May you break many limbs. Since it is a entertainment job and wishing the L word might be un-L-wordy.
Razorback
10-26-2005, 07:25 PM
May the remote be with you.
By-tor
10-26-2005, 11:25 PM
Good luck, jk.
ILovePapaSmurf
10-27-2005, 12:27 AM
Break a leg! :)
actualsize
10-27-2005, 12:29 AM
Good L-L-L-Luck J k-k-k-K!
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marksiwel
10-27-2005, 02:54 AM
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Thank you, thank you, and thank you.
Interview is in six hours and I haven't even been to bed yet-
can't sleep...
Maybe if I dig out my copy of Paradise Lost...
Paradise Lost, the band or the book? Eh, I guess it doesn't matter.
Good luck on your interview.
Zens7s
10-27-2005, 11:54 AM
Good luck...
We will throw your celebration party here...so everybody get ready to meet up:
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It looks like you step back into 1975 by just driving into the parking lot...
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Mmmmmm..... what-a-burger....
You know the worst part of an interview? It's not the anticipation, it's not being grilled by three people... it's the ride home, where you realize how you could have answered the questions much, much better.
At least everyone was smiling and actually seemed to have had a good time in the interview. Most times, it's like a funeral.
By-tor
10-27-2005, 07:40 PM
At least everyone was smiling and actually seemed to have had a good time in the interview. Your fly was down. :p
Your fly was down. :p
HA! I wasn't even wearing pants!
FanGirl
10-27-2005, 08:37 PM
http://cakes.dqd.com/Other_web/images/Good%20luck%20charms.jpg
Is it just me or does that look like a shamrock with a handlebar moustache?
Now that you mention it, it does...
Aaron
10-31-2005, 01:06 PM
Is it just me or does that look like a shamrock with a handlebar moustache?
no, it looks like a four-leaf-clover with a handlebar moustache
Update: I'm not supervisor material.
While my technical skills are superior and my passion for my career runs deeper than most anyone else's, I lack the teamwork and communication skills necessary for the new breed of supervisor...
Or the people doing the hiring are dinks.
Sorry to hear that jk.
Well, on the bright-side you'll never have to fire anyone. Though if you don't like people you work with then it wouldn't really be considered a bright-side, because you wouldn't be able to fire their sorry ass. Nevermind. I'm not very good at this cheering people up stuff. I guess that's why they wouldn't let me be a cheerleader.
Razorback
11-09-2005, 10:21 AM
Update: I'm not supervisor material.
While my technical skills are superior and my passion for my career runs deeper than most anyone else's, I lack the teamwork and communication skills necessary for the new breed of supervisor...
Ahhh, the old "lack the teamwork and communications skills" denial. That means they realize you are too good for them and that you would take one of their jobs. They are afraid of you.
actualsize
11-09-2005, 11:31 AM
Update: I'm not supervisor material.
While my technical skills are superior and my passion for my career runs deeper than most anyone else's, I lack the teamwork and communication skills necessary for the new breed of supervisor...I'm sorry to hear that.
But as one who was promoted to manager of six engineers two years ago, I would say that you may have dodged a bullet. It was a promotion that I didn't really seek. I was flattered at first, and glad for the extra $$ (not really that much). But then I realized that I no longer get to do engineering, and spend more of my time on budgets, political fires, and planning. I no longer get to do the things I really like to do - the things that attracted me to this job in the first place. And the guys who used to be my working buddies now treat me differently - more ass kissy, more formal, less kidding around. It sucks.
I've also observed that people with superior technical skills and passion for their work sometimes don't get promoted easily because the company doesn't want to lose a good person in the position they are currently working. These motivated people invariably leave the company on their own by getting that promotion by going to a competing company. It's the classic HR irony.
Zens7s
11-09-2005, 12:55 PM
I've also observed that people with superior technical skills and passion for their work sometimes don't get promoted easily because the company doesn't want to lose a good person in the position they are currently working. These motivated people invariably leave the company on their own by getting that promotion by going to a competing company. It's the classic HR irony.You nailed it Actualsize and RB.
JK, consider it a backwards compliment that you didn't get promoted. Any people that uses a blanket excuse, instead of a specific reason, lacks the candor to say what they really were thinking. Most likely they were afraid you would eventually take their job. I told a person that works for me once the following..."if you don't find good people to replace you then you can't ever move up." They still didn't get it, and continued to intentionally hire idiots to protect themselves. They also don't work for me anymore.
It's sad, but often true, that the only way you can truly make a big jump in your career now is to switch companies. As actual said, the people you used to be peers with have trouble accepting a authoritized you and things change. If you come in fresh then these things don't happen and you have the oppotunity to set your own culture with your people. Does it suck that I have to say that? Yeah.
Actual also makes a good point...are you sure that management is something that would make you happy? Managing people is a skill set all to itself and often one that people get into and hate. What's your real dream job in this company? Was that position it or is there something else you can now focus your energy on attaining?
Mighty Wingman
11-09-2005, 01:51 PM
Update: I'm not supervisor material.
While my technical skills are superior and my passion for my career runs deeper than most anyone else's, I lack the teamwork and communication skills necessary for the new breed of supervisor...
You coulda lost your vacation time. Look at the bright side. Lemons into lemonade.
By-tor
11-09-2005, 02:09 PM
Good calls, everyone. Sorry, jk, but like the others said, you are probably more valuable to the company right where you are, and with management comes a whole new set of problems. Fuckers probably didn't want an ass-kicking Texan anywhere close to being able to take one of their jobs. Screw 'em.
Thanks, one and all, for the sentiments. I'm just a little depressed about it- I mean, I watch TV for a freakin' living. Some may think that's the coolest job in the world, but if I've already hit the pinnacle of my career with my present employer, I don't know... They expressed that if I changed my leadership style, took some interpersonal communication classes, I might be able to move up, someday... I like my leadership style and the people who have worked for me in the past really appreciated my leadership style and the people I've supervised at my present job have told me they love it when I shift lead- I know each and every single person's strengths and weaknesses and I assign them tasks accordingly. I let them do their damn jobs without constant interference. The interviewers also told me I was on the right track as far as report writing skills, but I that I need to take a class... Take a CLASS? I was the one teaching the damn class! I was up for a Navy Achievement Medal for my report writing skills...
I guess I might have gotten the promotion if I changed my attitude towards office politics and were a micro-manager who stood in everybody's shit with both feet and constantly asked them "what you doing?" "what are you doing now?" "what about now?" and then sent them an email every time I had a question about what they were doing...
Again, thanks to everyone for the kind words and sentiments.
I guess I might have gotten the promotion if I changed my attitude towards office politics.....nd then sent them an email every time I had a question about what they were doing...
These are the big points right here. As sucky as it is you've to to play the game. If and when you get your promotiion, you can revert back to your current leadership style, but as you work your way up, you have to kiss ass.
By-tor
11-09-2005, 06:37 PM
These are the big points right here. As sucky as it is you've to to play the game. If and when you get your promotiion, you can revert back to your current leadership style, but as you work your way up, you have to kiss ass.Holy Jebus, that is exactly why I'm unbelievably grateful to my Dad and his partner for opening up this print shop years ago. Kissing ass is not one of my favorite suits. Yet, I do find that it is a must when in the service business. But occasionally we run into customers that are unsatisfiable. I get great pleasure in telling them to fuck-off and take their business elsewhere. All of you working for "the man" please feel free to live vicariously through me. ;)
Holy Jebus, that is exactly why I'm unbelievably grateful to my Dad and his partner for opening up this print shop years ago. Kissing ass is not one of my favorite suits. Yet, I do find that it is a must when in the service business. But occasionally we run into customers that are unsatisfiable. I get great pleasure in telling them to fuck-off and take their business elsewhere.
What kind of print shop? Printing T-shirts?
All of you working for "the man" please feel free to live vicariously through me. ;)
Do you really mean that?
By-tor
11-10-2005, 01:14 PM
What kind of print shop? Printing T-shirts?
Do you really mean that?We are a full service commercial print shop. Letterheads, envelopes, posters, NCR forms, business cards, pretty much anything that can be printed on paper, we can do. And as for "the man", anytime one of you need to vent, please do, and I'll try to stick it to somebody for you. ;)
Oh, I thought you meant you'd hire any of us who wanted to quit our jobs.
Guess I still have to stay here in the freezing north then.
By-tor
11-10-2005, 02:00 PM
Oh, I thought you meant you'd hire any of us who wanted to quit our jobs.
Guess I still have to stay here in the freezing north then.I'd love to hire you. Can't ever have enough bass players of the female persuasion around. We are looking to hire an experienced bindery person right now. Must have an extensive knowledge of folding and stitching machines. From being here a while I'm pretty sure none of you fit the bill. I wished we could train ya,TLS, but it would probably take 10 years. These machines are similar to the one that Postal worker was running when he went ballistic about 10 years ago, and shot up some fellow employees. Kinda stressful.
Mighty Wingman
11-10-2005, 02:47 PM
So , now we know where to send the cops next time someone from Waco goes Whacko.
By-tor
11-10-2005, 03:09 PM
So , now we know where to send the cops next time someone from Waco goes Whacko.And yet another shot taken at a town that gets nothing but negative publicity. I could list 100 things that are great about this town, but all of them would fall on deaf ears because of some dick that thought he was the messiah pulled some stupid ass shit 15 miles outside of Waco. Fuckin' bring it! Double barrel, 12 gauge. :rolleyes:
I'd love to hire you. Can't ever have enough bass players of the female persuasion around.
I'm not doing so well at the bass. My fingers are small and I have no rhythm. I've got soul, but no rhythm. I guess I might try learning the guitar instead. ;)
We are looking to hire an experienced bindery person right now. Must have an extensive knowledge of folding and stitching machines. From being here a while I'm pretty sure none of you fit the bill. I wished we could train ya,TLS, but it would probably take 10 years. These machines are similar to the one that Postal worker was running when he went ballistic about 10 years ago, and shot up some fellow employees. Kinda stressful.
Eh, it's ok. Doesn't sound like it'd be my cup o' tea anyways. Machinery and I don't always get along.
Mighty Wingman
11-10-2005, 06:37 PM
Machinery and I don't always get along.
I like it when women prefer man to machine. :)
actualsize
11-11-2005, 02:15 AM
I guess I might have gotten the promotion if I changed my attitude towards office politics and were a micro-manager who stood in everybody's shit with both feet and constantly asked them "what you doing?" "what are you doing now?" "what about now?" and then sent them an email every time I had a question about what they were doing.
This is my main bitch with my new manager role. By bosses come from an overseas culture where top-down micro-managing is a way of life, and delagating is unheard of. I hate that. I try to let my people get on with doing what they do best while trying to shield them from the petty bullshit. I try to be a coach - not a dictator. But I'm taking heat for it. I received a poor performance review for it (2 out of 5.) They think management is counting, taking attendance including start stop times for professionals (you'd better not be 1 minute late back from lunch), creating rules, and ORDERING people around. And yes, I routinely get work assignments that start out with the phrase "I order you!"
I'm out as soon as I find another job with a more forward thinking company. I wish I knew how to write game software, or was an internet wiz, 'cuz I want to ride a Segway or a Razor scooter in the office real bad. I've already got the soul patch.
I was talking to my old man about it today- when I told him how I didn't "fit the criteria necessary for the new breed of supervisor" his response was "Bullshit." He called it a bunch of namby-pamby double-talking bullshit- he's hired and fired enough people in the past 25 years, he ought to know. I may be doomed to never advance any furthur because I will not change my attitude towards managment. I get mad as hell when someone stands over me and talks to me as if I'm a ten year-old or more specifically, treats me as if I've never set foot in a control room before. I hate being treated like that and I will never treat anyone like that. If that is what they expect then they can also expect me to be a pig-headed, stubborn son of a bitch who refuses to play the game. I'll go someplace more in tune with my principles and mores.
Good for you Jk, for not conforming to their ways. There's better places out there.
Hey, my friend told me about this tv watching job at where he works, but it's an evening (3rd shift) position and a pretty far commute from where you are.
Zens7s
11-11-2005, 03:04 PM
I feel for you both, Actual and JK. The reason I started my own business way back when was specifically because I could not tolerate working for people like that. The kind who treated me as an idiot woman who couldn't possibly be able to handle anything and should take their answers as equal to the Bible. I refused to be put into that corner anymore, or I would be the one going postal. It took a lot of convincing to have me re-enter the corporate world...and a lot of fact-finding on the culture of where I work before I accepted.
Not a big shock to any of you here, but I speak my mind and have little fear of authority - real or imposed. There is a difference between respect and fear...but so many "managers" are so self-conscience with their own skills that they use fear and dictatorship to try and achieve results. It's destructive, because those same managers will lose creative people like you and get left with only the sheep that won't say "We're Not Gonna Take It". [Enter Twisted Sister audio clip here] Those same sheep will never come up with anything worthwhile either, so that manager better have a shitload of good ideas on their own.
I believe that you have to interview your company as hard (or harder) than they interview you. To do this without going broke start you have to start looking immediately. The general figure we use is it takes 1 month for every $10,000 of salary you make (or should be making) to find a new position.
I can't stress this enough: There is nothing wrong with asking your interviewer tough questions like "How would you describe the managment culture here? Very hands on or off? (Are they micromanagers) What are the processes required for approval? How much authority will I be given over my own people, or will I need to follow a strict chain of command?" Although the answers you get will often be sugar coated there are warning signs in there. The bonus...the kind of person who wants free thinkers will respect you for asking...and the threatened type won't. You don't want to work for those types of assholes anyway.
I am very lucky now, I work for and with some really incredible people who believe you find good employees and get the hell out of their way. I try to do the same for my people. I hate to say it, but you are in a lot of trouble working for me if I have to hold your hand. I don't like holding hands unless we are about to make out...and that just doesn't work at work :)
Hey Joe! Happy Veteran's Day, buddy.
Zens7s
11-11-2005, 06:41 PM
So , now we know where to send the cops next time someone from Waco goes Whacko.
I will be near Waco this Sunday, in Westphaila for a bar-b-que.
I will avoid all Branch Davidians or guys named David while there.
Hey Joe! Happy Veteran's Day, buddy.
Thanks! You're the first one who mentioned it!
Happy Veteran's Day to everyone else!
jjcourtright
11-14-2005, 03:16 PM
The general figure we use is it takes 1 month for every $10,000 of salary you make (or should be making) to find a new position.Score! I've been working on getting the job that I went to Vegas for since July. Thats 1, 2, 3...more money than I'm currently making.
Zens7s
11-14-2005, 03:18 PM
Score! I've been working on getting the job that I went to Vegas for since July. Thats 1, 2, 3...more money than I'm currently making.
See, there you go, messing up my metrics. You know what we call people like you...derailers. YES JJ, derailers.
Actually, I think being a derailer pays quite well however. Plus it's fun to take a crap all over those little projects that represent someones dreams and hopes. ;)
jjcourtright
11-14-2005, 03:52 PM
If crapping on others projects allows me to stand a little bit higher to achieve my projects...so be it. I'm making a mountain out of a craphill.
Zens7s
11-14-2005, 06:22 PM
If crapping on others projects allows me to stand a little bit higher to achieve my projects...so be it. I'm making a mountain out of a craphill.
I think you are ready to be a C-level exec. C.O.O maybe. At any rate, your training has begun to pay off. ;)
If at first you don't succeed...
I went out for supervisor again- this time it's for third shift, the Bastard Child of the BOC (sounds like an old WWII flick) I think I have a better shot it this time because it is third shift. I haven't had a chance to take that creative employee evaluation writing class I was told to take, but I think I can bullshit my way through it this time- I know what they looking for. They're supposed to be interviewing through the 12th and they'll make a decision on the 17th...
Of course, I'm still waiting to hear something about the VOD department- they waited until after deciding who they would hire to submit a budget. Now HR is dragging their feet...
By-tor
12-31-2005, 04:12 PM
Good luck, again jk. Just play those bastard's game. Once you're in you can go back to your type of management. Bullshit can go a long way. Isn't really just the results that count? Maybe not. Every time I call it a game you call it a business. Every time I call it a business you call it a game!
Far out.
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