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Mighty Wingman

10-17-2005, 07:22 PM

Am I the only one psyched up for Jarhead (http://www.jarheadmovie.com/) ?

Anybuddy?

Razorback

10-17-2005, 07:38 PM

Most lefties will suck that movie off like they did F911.

cberquist

10-17-2005, 10:39 PM

How do you suck off a movie?

freetoaster

10-17-2005, 10:43 PM

Do we really want to know the answer?

I have been awaiting ANY films about the war...

Jason_Brown

10-17-2005, 10:47 PM

How do you suck off a movie?
http://www.jabootu.com/images/s4poster.jpg

Jason_Brown

10-17-2005, 10:49 PM

I have been awaiting ANY films about the war...
It's about Desert Storm.

cberquist

10-17-2005, 11:19 PM

I have been awaiting ANY films about the war...

If by film you mean "fictional account", you could always turn to Fox News.

Gooooood Olllllld Superman Eye Vee

Mighty Wingman

10-17-2005, 11:35 PM

Most lefties will suck that movie off like they did F911.
So you're looking forward to it then.

How do you suck off a movie?
Just look at any given Star Wars thread for Rbs' comments.

Mighty Wingman

10-17-2005, 11:36 PM

http://www.jabootu.com/images/s4poster.jpg
Post of the day Award.

marksiwel

10-18-2005, 12:47 AM

My problem with the preview was this...God Damn that music is annoying. Rap/Choir bullshit, hate that. The only good movie about Desert Storm was Three Kings, and that movie sucked. All I can see coming from this movie is
1. Making people in the military look like jerks
2. Making people in the Army look like poor trash
3. Showing us how "Its all about Oil"
4. Jamie Fox...bleh...go play piano blindy
5. Jake Gylhifffershznoroffen taking more and more bad roles.

Will I see the movie? Yeah. Will I be let down. Most likely

Razorback

10-18-2005, 01:11 AM

If by film you mean "fictional account", you could always turn to Fox News.

Or CNN, MSNBC, BBC, Al (pick a name)....

Razorback

10-18-2005, 01:12 AM

So you're looking forward to it then.

Just look at any given Star Wars thread for Rbs' comments.

For those who don't know Wingy, this is how he responds when he is sucking his thumb and crying.

cberquist

10-18-2005, 01:28 AM

Or CNN, MSNBC, BBC, Al (pick a name)....

Don't stop there. You may as well go ahead and compare dogshit to peanut butter and jelly.

actualsize

10-18-2005, 01:37 AM

Don't stop there. You may as well go ahead and compare dogshit to peanut butter and jelly.Creamy or Chunky style?

Dave

10-18-2005, 11:25 AM

It really depends on what your diet's been like...

Zens7s

10-18-2005, 12:29 PM

Am I the only one psyched up for Jarhead (http://www.jarheadmovie.com/) ?

Anybuddy?
I am not, and everybody KNOWS I love me some Jake.

I can't really say my opinion about not being excited is worth a damn. I thought Three Kings was junk, I thought Black Hawk Down was amazing and I never want to see it again, I didn't like Platoon, I only enjoyed Apocolyse Now for watching Martin Sheen freak out...blah blah blah...

Ok, lets just face it. I don't like war movies.

It's strange, because I grew up in a family where my father was Navy, and was still active until his retirement at 35...but we NEVER watched war movies at home. I brought home Saving Private Ryan after college and my dad saw no need to watch it either.

Mighty Wingman

10-18-2005, 04:11 PM

For those who don't know Wingy, this is how he responds when he is sucking his thumb and crying.

For those who don't know how Rb this is how he responds when he's been wearing the same underwear for three days because he is out of Preparation H.

By the way, crusty buns, I wasn't looking for politic, just a pre-movie discussion . From the buzz I've heard, Jarhead is a nonpartisan memior of the Gulf War.

I have been awaiting ANY films about the war...
If you're looking for movies about the current war , "Gunners Palace" was good. "Occupation Dreamland" is better. Both are documentaries that give a well rounded view of what's going on over there.

TLS

10-18-2005, 04:17 PM

Jake is cute.

Mighty Wingman

10-18-2005, 04:20 PM

I am not, and everybody KNOWS I love me some Jake.

I can't really say my opinion about not being excited is worth a damn. I thought Three Kings was junk, I thought Black Hawk Down was amazing and I never want to see it again, I didn't like Platoon, I only enjoyed Apocolyse Now for watching Martin Sheen freak out...blah blah blah...

Ok, lets just face it. I don't like war movies.

It's strange, because I grew up in a family where my father was Navy, and was still active until his retirement at 35...but we NEVER watched war movies at home. I brought home Saving Private Ryan after college and my dad saw no need to watch it either.
I agree with you on Black Hawk. It's really good , but it freakin hurts to watch.

freetoaster

10-18-2005, 08:15 PM

I didn't like Platoon, I only enjoyed Apocolyse Now for watching Martin Sheen freak out...blah blah blah...

Ok, lets just face it. I don't like war movies.

It's strange, because I grew up in a family where my father was Navy, and was still active until his retirement at 35...but we NEVER watched war movies at home. I brought home Saving Private Ryan after college and my dad saw no need to watch it either.

My Grandfather, the only one of my living relatives to have actually experienced battle, will not watch anything that has to do with war. It makes him sick. I can imagine where your father is coming from.

Watching Platoon only served to piss me off. I wanted to decapitate Tom Berenger's character after watching it.

The only thing better than Apocoplypse Now is the documentary his wife made on the making of the film. Dennis Hopper, flipped out on god knows what drug, and Coppolla putting him in check..classic stuff. I think it's probably a better film than the Godfather, but no one wants to watch it...too disturbing I guess. It is the quintessential nihilistic epic on the travesty and insanity of War.

Thanks for the information on the documentaries MW. I did see an interview with the director of one them on CSPAN. It reaffirmed all my reservations about the conflict, very brutal, very graphic.

JaimePaulFalcon

10-18-2005, 11:27 PM

Razorback

10-18-2005, 11:46 PM

you're very very white aren't you

Don't be an asshole. That is my job.

Razorback

10-18-2005, 11:48 PM

Don't stop there. You may as well go ahead and compare dogshit to peanut butter and jelly.

This is why you are a lemming, because you truly believe that the Fox News spin is worse than the CNN spin.

RobinHoodDaffy

10-18-2005, 11:55 PM

I only believe news told to me by Al Roker.

JaimePaulFalcon

10-19-2005, 12:00 AM

Don't be an asshole. That is my job.
sorry someone had to call him on it

cberquist

10-19-2005, 12:02 AM

This is why you are a lemming, because you truly believe that the Fox News spin is worse than the CNN spin.

as the saying goes, "You can't outfox Fox"

actualsize

10-19-2005, 12:40 AM

It really depends on what your diet's been like......or the dog's. Oh wait. I get it. Woof!

DangerSeeker

10-19-2005, 11:37 AM

So more or less we see that all media outlets have a bias. Or as I like to call them, a demographic. Me? I'm sick of all shouting pundits of both sides. Volume doesn't convince me. Facts do. Most of the debate shows are shouting and name calling. When did that become news? I want pretty plastic people to tell me in accurate and efficient wording what happened today, then move to the next bit. Then I can go look up more information as it interests me. Unfortunately that's pretty much impossible to find. It's either geared left, geared right, or geared towards those who like their TV spoon-fed and remedial. "Bad things are happening, so let's show you a squirrel who does tricks."

I'm still waiting for people to start claiming that C-Span and the Weather Channel are biased.

Dave

10-19-2005, 12:17 PM

I want pretty plastic people to tell me in accurate and efficient wording what happened today, then move to the next bit. Then I can go look up more information as it interests me. Unfortunately that's pretty much impossible to find.

this got me thinking. Recently Birmingham 2nd Daily newspaper, the Post Herald, closed up shop, leaving the city with only one paper. But frankly circulation is down on it also, more an more people get there news from TV and if they want something in depth (and few do, lets face facts) they will look on-line. The Birmingham News has a partnership with several other papers in the state and they have a great website (http://www.al.com), al.com. So i guess my query is, what will become of the newspaper as we know them? will they morph into paperless entities? Will they try and force people to pay for a subscription to a website, as they do for the paper now? lets face it, they have to pay the reports and columnists they employ, but there will always be blogs and stuff giving it away for free?

what do you guys think?

Razorback

10-19-2005, 02:00 PM

as the saying goes, "You can't outfox Fox"

It is cute how you are completely on the leash of the left. Open your eyes. FOX News is as right as CNN is left.

jjcourtright

10-19-2005, 03:35 PM

this got me thinking. Recently Birmingham 2nd Daily newspaper, the Post Herald, closed up shop, leaving the city with only one paper. But frankly circulation is down on it also, more an more people get there news from TV and if they want something in depth (and few do, lets face facts) they will look on-line. The Birmingham News has a partnership with several other papers in the state and they have a great website (http://www.al.com/), al.com. So i guess my query is, what will become of the newspaper as we know them? will they morph into paperless entities? Will they try and force people to pay for a subscription to a website, as they do for the paper now? lets face it, they have to pay the reports and columnists they employ, but there will always be blogs and stuff giving it away for free?

what do you guys think?Can you imagine the trouble publishers are having right now? It's a coin flip whether or not your paper survives. The not-going-so-well-ness of TimesSelect makes it look like people aren't too willing to pay for a digital paper. That's how I lean...if I'm going to pay for a paper, I'd like to actually feel the newsprint.

Dave

10-19-2005, 04:35 PM

I agree, If i'm going to pay for something, i want to physically have it. And there are so many other ways of getting the news for free, that not that many people will subscribe to a website, i don't think. Papers need to do a better job of getting in depth on the stories. More investigation, less regergitation of the news. Lets face it, Cable news is great at getting a story first, but more often than not, they repeat the same "facts" over and over, and don't get to the meat of the matter. That should be the newspapers roll going forward, i think, and also a place where i can find Funky Winkerbean!

By-tor

10-19-2005, 04:44 PM

I agree, If i'm going to pay for something, i want to physically have it. What street is she working today?

Dave

10-19-2005, 06:13 PM

Cherry, what else would it be?

cberquist

10-19-2005, 06:31 PM

It is cute how you are completely on the leash of the left. Open your eyes. FOX News is as right as CNN is left.

Thanks. My wife thinks I am cute too.

I could spend all night writing about conservative AND liberal bias in the media. It definitely exists on both sides. FOX News is a far cry from CNN though. FOX News isn't just 'leaning right', it is out and out conservative (and at this point in time - government) propaganda. It is flat out scary.

Don't take my word for it though kids. Take the word of some of the most respected journalists in the United States. Anybody who hasn't seen it yet should definitly make sure to watch 'Outfoxed'.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0418038/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxrdz0xfHE9b3V0Zm 94ZWR8ZnQ9MXxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8Y289MXxodG1sPTF8bm09 MQ__;fc=1;ft=3;fm=1

Dave

10-19-2005, 06:40 PM

Don't even get me started on Outfoxed... You could make the same movie for the other side if you recorded CNN or MSNBC all day (especially Oberman's show on MSNBC) and took quotes out of context. CNN is no better than FOX they just lean more in your general direction. Something is only scary if you don't agree with it...

10-19-2005, 06:43 PM

Take the word of some of the most respected journalists in the United States

Having been in the industry for eight years, I have absolutely no respect for ANY journalist- left or right.

cberquist

10-19-2005, 06:56 PM

Dave

10-19-2005, 06:58 PM

Having to watch all those awful CNN shows....

Having better things to do with their time

Who knows, could be i'm blowing smoke out my ass. The world may never know.

cberquist

10-19-2005, 07:06 PM

Can anybody who watches Fox News tell me how they spun the whole "live chat" between Bush and the Army folks from Monday? I missed it. Did they even cover it?

Dave

10-19-2005, 07:23 PM

I don't even know what your talking about, but then i've been moving and not watching tv so...

I did however catch a bit of O'rielly on the Daily Show last night. What did you guys think of that. I think he's a bit of a masochist, he knew he was going to get abuse from the audience and he was enjoying it. He and Stewart had a pretty good chemisty i thought, also.

By-tor

10-19-2005, 09:33 PM

Having been in the industry for eight years, I have absolutely no respect for ANY journalist- left or right.He lives. Good to see a post from ya. Hope things are better. Or, less worse. Or....shit, whatever.

Razorback

10-20-2005, 01:55 PM

I did however catch a bit of O'rielly on the Daily Show last night. What did you guys think of that. I think he's a bit of a masochist, he knew he was going to get abuse from the audience and he was enjoying it. He and Stewart had a pretty good chemisty i thought, also.

I actually thought it was a shitty interview. Their last was much better. It seemed like O'Reilly was ticked off about the format of Colbert's show (which models itself after O'Reilly's) and was expecting a hostile response from the audience. So, he came off as an angry old man and the audience came off as the typical leftie lemmings who foam at the mouth at anything not walking the plank of their agenda.

jjcourtright

10-20-2005, 03:32 PM

jjcourtright

10-20-2005, 04:25 PM

Can't resist posting this picture in this thread:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/upload/nospine.JPG

By-tor

10-20-2005, 04:35 PM

The only thing in that picture that looks remotely interesting is the temperature. jj, you suck.:p

cberquist

10-20-2005, 06:12 PM

Even though my liberal tendencies are, by now, well known here...I'm going to agree with you at the risk of being a "liberal lemming." The way that I see it, Fox News is so far to the right that the hypothetical middle has had to follow. Thusly giving the appearance that CNN is farther to the left.

What I love is that survey data shows viewers of FOX News are actually misinformed about issues. Something like 60% still believe there is factual evidence of WMD's in Iraq. I always thought you were supposed to know MORE after watching than the news, but I guess that isn't everyone's agenda.

Razorback

10-20-2005, 08:00 PM

Thanks. My wife thinks I am cute too.

I could spend all night writing about conservative AND liberal bias in the media. It definitely exists on both sides. FOX News is a far cry from CNN though. FOX News isn't just 'leaning right', it is out and out conservative (and at this point in time - government) propaganda. It is flat out scary.

That is what conservatives said about CNN before FOX News became part of the elite media (except it was about liberal leanings being "flat our scary").

Don't take my word for it though kids. Take the word of some of the most respected journalists in the United States. Anybody who hasn't seen it yet should definitly make sure to watch 'Outfoxed'.

So, you get some former FOX News staffers to slam the network and all of a sudden this is your evidence that FOX News is a right-wing propaganda network while CNN is just slightly left-leaning? I guess this means that no one from CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, or even the BBC has ever exposed them for their left-leaning biases?

http://imdb.com/title/tt0418038/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxrdz0xfHE9b3V0Zm 94ZWR8ZnQ9MXxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8Y289MXxodG1sPTF8bm09 MQ__;fc=1;ft=3;fm=1

This "documentary" was made by a guy who wanted to "prove" that FOX News was a conservative propaganda machine. I don't think there is a person on the planet who isn't aware that FOX News has more conservative leanings than liberal. That means their non-traditional news programs are more conservative than liberal. Outfoxed almost entirely uses clips from these programs, and not from their news room. Why? Because their news room isn't conservative enough for the film and its agenda.

What a real documentarist (and I use this term subjectively, because I consider people like Michael Moore to be faux-documentarist) would have done is taken the exact same timeframe from FOX News and CNN, and then chosen a random time, based on an independent formula, and chosen only those times to show the exact same bits of information coming from CNN and FOX News. Then, and only then, could I seriously consider the information being fed as unbiased, or documentarian in quality (as opposed to a docudrama or propaganda). If the evidence then showed that CNN was clearly the more centered then we could all bounce away in our happy little FOX News bashfest.

Anyway, all you have done is link to the predictable. Leftist propaganda is not proof. It is the soapbox of the converted. Not that I disagree that FOX News is more conservative than other news services, I just believe that CNN is just as biased to the left as FOX News is to the right. Just because you like the message CNN preaches, as opposed to the one FOX News does, doesn't mean that it is any more legitimate.

Here is an interesting article written by a non-conservative about CNN:

A new CNN system of 'script approval' (http://www.robert-fisk.com/articles173.htm)

Funny how he accuses them of doing what Outfoxed accuses FOX News of doing.... giving the network editors control of their news. HOLY SHIT! What a concept!

Check out the response from Aaron Brown:

Look for where he calls this practice "as routine as toothpaste" and then we can all pretend like you didn't buy into Outfoxed. (http://www.democracynow.org/transcripts/aaronbrown.shtml)

Here is another, funnier, rebutal to Outfoxed, from National Lampoon:

I dare you to read it! I dare you! (http://www.nationallampoon.com/nl/03_voices/out_outfoxed/out_outfoxed.asp)

The fact that FOX News gives an alternate opinion (from CNN, BBC, MSNCB, and just about 90% of all news services on the planet) in their editorials doesn't make it less legitimate. It makes it a small counterpoint to the mass leftist points of view that have been perpetuated by the media over the last 40-years. Some of you have simply bought into the notion that this is "real news" and that what FOX News does is "not real news."

What you fail to recognize is that you are being manipulated on both ends if you believe that one is more centered than the other. Clear evidence of this is when you call someone like me a conservative, republican, or a Bush supporter because I won't run off the side of the cliff with you. I just counter your leftist propaganda because someone needs to point out that you are no less brainwashed than the people who are religiously watching FOX News.

Mighty Wingman

10-21-2005, 12:54 AM

Can't resist posting this picture in this thread:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/upload/nospine.JPG
Now, I'm the one who is baffled.

Ismael

11-04-2005, 10:57 AM

I know this thread got a little off track with the whole Fox News/CNN debate, but I thought I would post a link for the review from Film Threat (http://www.filmthreat.com/Reviews.asp?Id=8141). I was not planning on seeing the movie, but the review made it sound much more interesting, so I may have to reconsider.

Mighty Wingman

11-04-2005, 01:39 PM

Now playing in a theatre near you !

karmattack

11-04-2005, 02:45 PM

Since the movie's getting prejudged quite a bit, I figured I would post something that actually changed what I was expecting from this movie -- Quint's review from AICN. If you want the short version: it's not an anti-war movie, it's more a movie about kids who want to go to war but can't because the real war is being automated. He says that all sides seem represented and that even when one character goes into the "can't you see this is about oil?" rant, another character cuts him off and tells him to STFU; they're there, and that's all that matters. It appears that the reason the backdrop is Desert Storm, and what makes it different than WWII and Vietnam movies is the fact that you still have all the interesting character conflicts that happen in a real-life context where death is around the corner, but not many of the troops really got to do anything. Oh, and does everyone remember this is the true battlefield memoir of Marine Corps sniper Anthony Swofford? So, I was actually expecting left-wing propaganda and some crazy, stylized battle sequences. It seems like it's much more a character piece, which actually makes me more interested.

Quint's review:
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a little look at Sam Mendes' Gulf War flick JARHEAD, starring Jake Gyllenhaal, Peter Sarsgaard and Jamie Foxx.
First off, I'm a big fan of Sam Mendes' film work. I love AMERICAN BEAUTY and still love ROAD TO PERDITION. He's got a fantastic visual flair that is second only to his character work. The man casts great actors and pulls great performances out of them.
My big disappointment tonight did not come from JARHEAD, a flick I really like, but is instead due to not getting the new trailer for KONG which is supposed to be attached to the print. Oh, well. I guess I'll just have to watch that "look inside" behind the scenes thing to get my Kong fix. "Yeah, get that fuckin' bi-plane!!!" Well, now you've gotten a little peek into my sad existence. But back to JARHEAD.
I don't know what the overall audience thought of the film, but it seemed to be received rather schizophrenically... there was a good amount of applause after the movie, but every conversation I overheard as I walked back to my car seemed to be, "I wanted more..." or "I expect it to be better..."
The movie is about a newbie who has signed up to the United States Marine Corp. in 1989. It starts off so much like FULL METAL JACKET that I was actually a little surprised. The framing, the recruits lined up, the yelling drill sergeant vomiting up foul insults, the color... It was all so much like FULL METAL JACKET that I have to believe that Mendes knew the two films would draw comparisons, so he just said, "I'll give them this scene right up front, so we can move on and get to my movie..." He smartly gets out of basic training very quickly and plops in Jamie Foxx as Sgt. Siek who is a badass, but not the stereotypical thick necked red faced screaming sergeant.
The movie, much like the first Gulf War, doesn't have a big place to build to. The film is all about the characters waiting for the shit to start, the crazy bastard in the platoon, the quiet killers, the average kid just dreaming about going home, the life-time Marines... They're all there. Being a good character drama, very few of the characters start out as one of the above listed types and end up the same way. The Gyllenhaal character goes through at least 3 of those above listed character types before the movie ends.
I think a lot of people are disappointed by the lack of big screen battle in the film. While I would have loved to seen Mendes approach a huge war epic, this isn't that story. The movie is based on a book by Anthony Swofford, the character Gyllenhaal plays. It's a true account of what he went through, which means very little in terms of battle. WW2 and Vietnam will be the best cinematic war periods because there was so much drama in the battles. Here the drama lies with the characters, who don't get off one shot before the war is over.
I know there is a lot of worry about whether or not the film will be preachy, either pro-war or anti-war. The flick has a moment where one of the characters, the one who questions the authority of the brass more than any others, starts to go into the "This is only a war for oil... who do you think gave Saddam his weapons in the first place? We did!" rant, but he's cut off by one of the other characters. They tell him politics don't matter. They're there. Everything else is bullshit.
The film is what it is, the story not telling you which side to take. You take out of the movie only what you take in with you, much like Yoda's fucked up tree. The desire to serve one's country is there, the camaraderie is there, the humanity of the soldiers is there, the racism is there, the fuck ups that killed more soldiers than the enemy did is there, the despicable side of humans at war is there. It's a melting pot, but it's never preachy one way or the other.
The performances are great throughout, as you would expect from a Mendes flick. Gyllenhaal is shaping up to be one of the finest actors of our generation. He's got a focus and intensity that is truly striking. Sarsgaard is more quiet, but just as affecting. Jamie Foxx is a lot of fun in the movie, playing the hardass sergeant of our little group. I don't know if he's Oscar worthy, but he's definitely continuing to prove himself as an actor with the right stuff.
On the whole, I found myself never really getting personally invested in the story. I can't really explain it. I really liked the movie a lot, thought it was masterfully directed, had some great imagery (the oil fields on fire were haunting) and had some amazing performances, but I never once lost myself in the story. I don't know why I felt that distance, but it was definitely there.
Don't think that the distance translated to boredom for me. I was always engaged with what I saw onscreen. I think it's a really damn solid movie, but I never had that personal investment that I'm used to having in movies I like this much. Weird.
So there you have it. My thoughts on the flick. I have a backlog of movies that need reviewing as well as 3 interviews to transcribe for ya'. Look for the bulk of that stuff to hit sometime this week! Until then, this is Quint bidding you all a fond farewell and adieu.

ILovePapaSmurf

11-05-2005, 07:47 PM

Ok, so I just got back from seeing 'Jarhead.' Now, to be honest, I was going to see Jake as a Naked Santa and well, I got a lot more. Basically what it came down to was a great movie, with great acting... but with no plot. I mean, it was good, but I have no idea what the purpose was. It was basically giving one person's account of the war. There were no substories, nothing. Just about this one guy.... I liked it, but I did want more and was expecting it to be a little more excting (Well, seeing Jake naked was an A+ memory). So, all in all, between the two films I've seen so far this weekend, I'd pick 'Shopgirl' over 'Jarhead' anytime.

Razorback

11-05-2005, 08:07 PM

AICN sells their souls for their "reviews." They are the ultimate studio whores. In any event, I will be seeing this movie when it hits HBO.

Psyche

11-06-2005, 12:50 PM

cberquist

11-06-2005, 07:52 PM

I liked it alright. I was really well done, but I agree that there was something missing from it.