Serenity/Firefly... better than Star Wars? [Archive]

u6ik

10-15-2005, 12:01 AM

Here's one that will really put Razorbacks back up ;)

I've just seen Serenity in the UK. I've not seen anything like this since the very first Star Wars in 1977, full of adventure, excitement and characters to really take the journey with. I also understand there was a series... when did that happen? Never even heard about it until the movie arrived. I'll catch it on DVD soon enough... but before I can get really gripped, it gets cancelled by Fox!!!?

Do Fox have a contract with Lucas that says they must scrap anything that competes with the multi-billion dollar Star Wars franchise? If there are no further Firefly for TV or film then Fox would undoubtedly have just thrown away an epic.

I hope they know what they have done. I strongly suspect they don't.

Anyway, there must be plans for at least another 2 movies. I'm hooked :D

Put this in your pipe... Serenity/Firefly is better than Star Wars. Fact!

marksiwel

10-15-2005, 01:08 AM

No!!!!!!!!!!! NO more!
THey are both pretty!

u6ik

10-15-2005, 03:20 PM

Pretty? I agree it's not a future dark and tortured universe, but it is bleak and a great universe of adventure. Things rattle, are not shiney and it's grounded ...and more to the point, it works.

If you were comparing with the new Star Wars movies I might expect pretty. Over CG'd, over acted with too much Lucas ego... and oh so shiney. What's pretty about the first Star Wars movie? It still stands up after 25 years (original, not new CG'd version)... with both Serenity and Star Wars the trip is just fun!

Classic conflict and resolution stuff. :)

psychofiend

10-15-2005, 04:18 PM

Nothing will ever beat Star Wars. Ever.

Razorback

10-15-2005, 04:48 PM

It is silly to compare it to Star Wars. Other than the things Whedon ripped off from the movies (or paid homage to), the two are far apart in every element.

First, Serenity is more sci-fi than sci-fantasy. Star Wars is clearly sci-fantasy. Second, Star Wars is epic in nature, while Serenity is much smaller and personal (though, with one "epic" scene). Star Wars is an homage to B-movies of the 50s, while Serenity is an homage to the late 70s, early 80s (clearly, Whedon is influenced by what he grew up watching).

Finally, Serenity is overrated. Star Wars was overrated when it was released.

Oh, I guess they are similar in that department. ;)

Razorback

10-15-2005, 05:01 PM

Now, as for the other retarded shit the dumbass who created this thread had to say:

FOX dumped Firefly because it didn't get ratings. It tanked. Why would FOX care whether it was "competing" (a ridiculous notion, since Firefly was a TV show) with Star Wars? FOX would LOVE to find a Star Wars-like epic that could make it money, because FOX makes SHIT on its distribution deal with Lucasfilm.

Any contention that Firefly died on TV because FOX didn't want it to do well, due to its contractual obligations to distribute Star Wars, is ignorant. FOX may have doomed the show with their silly show order, but even then the show SHOULD have been able to survive it.

Firefly is not a "Star Wars killer." It is a nice little world where a few hundred thousand people enjoy living. The box office take is just more proof of that. The Firefly fan base was small. The Serenity fan base is small. There is very little chance that there will be more, unless the world box office does a ton of business (that is still to be seen).

Perhaps it is time for Firefly fans to just accept that their passion isn't shared by many people. Firefly is a niche joy. To pretend that it is anything else, or that it even compare it to the epic status of Star Wars, is... well, something I guess one cannot expect any less from when dealing the fangirl base that is the Browncoats. :)

What happened to all that "buzz", anyway?

phit_demon

10-16-2005, 04:58 AM

Put this in your pipe... Serenity/Firefly is better than Star Wars. Fact!

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Thankyou, I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.

Aaron

10-16-2005, 11:37 AM

What is this "Star Wars" movie of which you speak?

Mighty Wingman

10-16-2005, 01:34 PM

Just to clear the air, I'm not a Joss Whedon fan . I despised "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" despite friends recommendations. Watching ten minutes of it made me want to stick a white-hot sewing needle in my eye. I Refused to watch "Angel" and when "Firefly" got it’s first run on FOX , I completely ignored it. I caught about two-and-a-half episodes on Sci-fi channel a couple weeks before Serenity opened and just couldn’t stay interested . Nothing to get worked up about. For the most part it seemed deliberately slow-paced like they were trying to turn a three hour story into a long-running series

So, with that said, Serenity kicked some serious ass. Oh sure, there's some corny dialogue, some bad camera angles and a couple of poorly scripted scenes that should've been re-shot or just cut. But I could say worse things about EpIII. Actually, I think I did.

Comparing the two is really not a fair comparison. I agree with you that Serenity is more fun than Eps I and II. Somewhere along the line Lucas started taking himself too seriously and forgot to let someone else write the screenplay. If Whedons' little movie makes the kind of bank that precipitates two sequels and three prequels then you can do a side-by-side comparison. (I hope it happens, but ) Right now you’ve been introduced to a wide open universe with few rules to be broken. Whereas Star Wars has you walking into the theatre with preconceived notions the movies will never live up to.

The characters of Serenity are flawed and conflicted which is by and a large what makes them compelling. The women of the show all seem to have a striking, eclectic , exoticism. Jewel Staite makes a delectable -- if not necessarily believable -- grease monkey. She stirs something in me, in a way Princess Leia never did.

There's no shortage of rousing one-liners and they're pretty evenly spread amongst the crew, everyone gets their fifteen minutes as the charm and charisma shines through and makes you feel as if you’re one of them. In the movies climax, all hell breaks loose, in a gorgeous , but short-lived space battle on par with the opening of EpIII but there’s really only one ship, one crew, you care about. The movies final exchange is touching and sincere, and if you’re any fan of sci-fi, it will leave you craving a sequel.

For anyone who hasn't seen it, SERENITY NOW!

See it on the big screen, it does not disappoint.

Razorback

10-16-2005, 03:25 PM

I think Kaylee is a believable mechanic, and I can agree with anyone who says that the air battle in Serenity kicks Star Wars prequel space battle ass. I think Lucas made a mistake in the editing of the Episode 3 space battle. He loves to speed things up and sometimes "faster, more intense" isn't as good as just more intense.

Just to note, that the space battle WAS edited by Ben Burtt, who also edited all of Episode 2. His sometimes jerky editing is what I disliked most about Episode 2. The rest of Episode 3 was edited by a capable editor, and that is why I think it works much better.

ILovePapaSmurf

10-16-2005, 07:49 PM

For those interested in seeing a lil' clip of the movie, here is a link to the first nine minutes! Here ya go...

http://video.vividas.com/CDN1/3929_Serenity/web/index.html

u6ik

10-17-2005, 12:56 PM

OK. So it's not comparable, but I'm glad to see that the majority response is a good one. Maybe with a little push from the right people we can get the series going again or another movie... definately another movie :)

Mind you, Captain Reynolds, isn't he just Han Solo? Isn't Jayne just the talking wookie? And why is the bad guy a black guy? Nothing wrong in that - just wasn't the bad guy in Star Wars mostly black? Not comparable... nooo. ;)

I hope phit_deamon didn't haemorrhage, sounded like he may have done...

I still give it 5/5

:)

ILovePapaSmurf

10-17-2005, 01:32 PM

Isn't Jayne just the talking wookie?

No, way! First of all Jayne is less hairy and more sexier than Chewie hands down.

Gosh!

Dave

10-17-2005, 01:43 PM

No, way! First of all Jayne is less hairy and more sexier than Chewie hands down.

Gosh!

http://www.gpetitto.net/images/chewy_resting.jpg

rrrrrrwwwwrrrllll grrlllllrrrlllll rrrrrlllllllrrrrrr*

*Translated from Wookie "I'm just going to sit here and protest until you take that 'more sexier' bit back."

Razorback

10-17-2005, 03:37 PM

Mind you, Captain Reynolds, isn't he just Han Solo?

He is Whedon's version of Han Solo.... but he never comes close to the cool of Han. Mal is more fragile, because he isn't self-centered like Han. Han cares more about himself than anyone else (at least until the end of ANH). He is loyal to Chewie but no one else. Mal, on the other hand, has a heart. He cares too much. He tries to hide it, but it is obviously there at all times. He seems to platonically adore Kaylee; has a secret (well, not so secret) passion for Inara; a compassion for Jayne's stupidity; unquestionable loyalty for Zoe; deep respect and love for Book; and a devotion to protect and save Simon, River, and Wash.

Solo is more of a scoundrel while Reynolds is more of a soldier. Mal does what he does because it needs to be done, not because he necessarily wants it to be done that way (look at "Out of Gas" where he makes Wash go to the bridge as his wife is seemingly dying). Han does what he does because it will benefit him, even if it means the lives of those around him (except for Chewie).

So, really... Mal is more complex. Han is much cooler, because he doesn't care.

FanGirl

10-17-2005, 05:15 PM

Sorry for chiming in so late, but I've been extremely busy.

I have to agree with all of the above. It isn't fair to compare Star Wars with this. It's fair to say if you liked one more than the other, but they are in completely different leagues. It would be more accurate to compare it to Star Trek because they both were cancelled TV series made into movies based on the demand of the fans. The major difference being the era. Star Trek was one of less than a handful of Scifi shows and now a days we have an abundance of them including some really good ones like the new Battlestar Gallactica. I seriously doubt that Firefly/Serenity will turn into a Star Trek like franchise because let's face it - Whedon is no Roddenberry. I think it will have a life of it's own. The Browncoats (fans) won't give up without a fight, but remember in the series, the Browncoats do lose the war.

I have yet to see the movie a second time only because of scheduling. I will say I enjoyed it a whole lot more than the Star Wars prequels. If that statement comes as a shock to anyone here, you need to go re-read some old threads.

Mighty Wingman

10-17-2005, 07:05 PM

I still have hopes for a sequel.

Good to see you back around here, stranger.

RobinHoodDaffy

10-18-2005, 02:55 AM

Razorback

10-18-2005, 09:16 PM

Sure a sequel would be great, but I ain't holding my breath. Hell, I even took my non-fan friends to see it, where, oh where, did all the people go. Good buzz+Great movie=shitty box office, somthing is rotten in Denmark.

The buzz was created by the fan base. It came almost entirely from the preview screenings (attended by fans) and Internet sites where fans could create multiple accounts and pretend to be someone who never saw the TV show and loved the movie.

Had these been real people they would have spread the word through their circles and the movie would have done better. As it stands, it didn't do well because there was no buzz. It was the converted preaching from their church. So, faked buzz + good movie = $27 million final take in the US (give or take).

RobinHoodDaffy

10-18-2005, 09:28 PM

That works to a point.

Now when it comes right down to it not enough people wanted to see the film. That is not in any way in any confusion. The film came out tottled around and kinda went poof.

Now the buzz I was speaking of was more of the national media coverage. Yes, they were covering the fan base, but the name was still out there. Also, every review I read was really positive. Hell, Shawn Levy of "The Oregonian" gave it an A for fuck's sake, and he hates everything. So I stand by my original statement. There was a lot of name awareness out there, but it did not pay off, I just meant that was kinda sad.

Razorback

10-18-2005, 11:13 PM

Now the buzz I was speaking of was more of the national media coverage.

Traditionally, though, "buzz" is what happens when people discuss something in their circles and create an interest otherwise not generated by simple marketing or media hype. Buzz is the watercooler talk, not the mass media stating that there is interest.

You can say that there was buzz within the fan circles, but that is not what the media was projecting. The reason for this, as I have conjectured (long before the movie was released, mind you), is that the non-fan buzz was manipulated by the fans to seem like non-fan buzz. That gives the media an impression of something brewing, when it isn't anything more than hype from the converted.

Also, every review I read was really positive.

Not exactly every review... it received some very bad ones too. Though, so did many movies that are considered good to great (Batman Begins being one of them).

There was a lot of name awareness out there, but it did not pay off, I just meant that was kinda sad.

My point has been that there wasn't a lot of name awareness anywhere but in the circles of the converted. Just because the mass media reviews something (and only about half the big media did review it, as opposed to Batman Begins, Star Wars, and War of the Worlds) that doesn't mean that the general public is listening.

I also think the trailers were boring. Every person I took to see this movie had no intention of seeing it based solely on the trailers. There was a Euro trailer (I think it was Euro) that was pretty good but Americans didn't see it. I think that if you want to market a niche to the general public that you need to sell it better than that.

Clearly, the studios attempt to build up an audience via word of mouth, by having multiple early screenings, didn't work. I would have had two early screenings in July and released the movie in August. September is not a great movie month. Hell, they should have released it right before Star Wars as they had planned. They were afraid of getting eaten up by the Star Wars hype but I think it would have helped the movie.

RobinHoodDaffy

10-18-2005, 11:53 PM

Eh, really it's all symantics and conjecture. The movie got made some people saw it, a lot of people didn't and it made a lot less money than a lot of people would have like to have seen. All tales end, if this is it C'est la vie. At least it did not stick around untill it sucked.

Razorback

10-19-2005, 12:26 AM

At least it did not stick around untill it sucked.

Some would say that it always sucked and came back anyway.

RobinHoodDaffy

10-19-2005, 12:28 AM

And those people are wrong. :D

actualsize

10-19-2005, 12:47 AM

So I stand by my original statement. There was a lot of name awareness out there, but it did not pay off, I just meant that was kinda sad.See my earlier theory. "Serenity" does not accurately describe the movie one would see. Name recognition means nothing if the name is crap.

This horse is dead now. I promise I'll stop.

Razorback

10-19-2005, 01:25 AM

I thought naming it Serenity was as silly as naming a show Enterprise.

Hell, Firefly is a terrible name too. If you want to see a show succeed you need to name it Galactic Cowboys From Hell!

actualsize

10-19-2005, 02:58 AM

I thought naming it Serenity was as silly as naming a show Enterprise.

Hell, Firefly is a terrible name too. If you want to see a show succeed you need to name it Galactic Cowboys From Hell!Or Star Wars. It just goes to show how good marketing can make (and bad marketing can break) a movie. This is one area where Lucas truly rules. Hell, Serenity didn't even have any cute widdle alien characters to make Happy Meal toys out of, did it?

DangerSeeker

10-19-2005, 11:54 AM

The Reavers were cute and cuddly!

I know first hand some of all three types of fans. Some who lent out the series to people, sent the trailer, and so forth, to people who were previously uninterested. It was a sense of sharing something we were into, and trying to get people with our tastes into something they might enjoy so we can all talk about and enjoy it together. We actually spread the word in a nice, civilized way.

Some of the fans claimed they were constantly "hyping" the movie, when in fact they were just discussing it with other fans, hitting message boards for the series and movie, hanging out out at Firefly parties, etc. Great, that builds hype for the people who are fans, but those tickets were already sold.

Then there's the group some are calling the "Reavers" instead of "Browncoats." The hard-core fans who are writing angry letters to critics who liked the movie for not liking it or hyping it enough. One critic who wrote a glowing review got hate mail for not mentioning the show enough. If he'd mentioned the show more, though, that would've discouraged people who may have skipped the movie despite the review because they felt out of the loop. I've seen a "Reaver" get angry with somebody because they hadn't made time to see the movie. Some of the psycho fans are hurting far more than helping. It's like people who didn't watch Star Trek because of the people who wear their uniforms to jury duty.

I loved the movie, I'm sorry it didn't do better because I would like to see a sequel, but you know what? Joss hasn't been taken out to a field and shot. Just like if Kevin does more non-J&SB movies, I'll see whatever a creator whose work I enjoy may do. It's the mind behind what I like that makes what entertains me.

Zens7s

10-19-2005, 01:20 PM

Razorback

10-19-2005, 02:09 PM

You can only name it that if you have the appropriate Pantera laden soundtrack.

Of course! ;)

Seriously, though, the silly music in Firefly (and some of it is in Serenity) kills parts of it for me. You need something more orchestric, something that will stand the test of time. I think one of the reasons that Star Wars has remained popular for so long is that it uses a score that will be timely 200 years from now.

Serenity has its musical moments, but not enough of them. As a great man once said "[The audience isn't] watching the [foreground], or looking at the [background]... [they] are listening to the music." :D

Razorback

10-19-2005, 02:18 PM

The Reavers were cute and cuddly!

This is the most honest and/or accurate statement in your posting.

We actually spread the word in a nice, civilized way.

If you say so.... but did you ignore all of your Browncoat buddies running around the Net acting like total dicks, shooting down every movie and closing with "See Serenity! It is better than (insert movie)! Joss Whedon is GOD!"?

Some of the fans claimed they were constantly "hyping" the movie, when in fact they were just discussing it with other fans

Come on. People were not annoyed by the Browncoats (on many boards, where this has been discussed) because they were just civily talking about their movie. They were trolling boards and hijacking threads all over the place. I noted it many months ago on AICN and that is when others started to chime in about it. By the time the movie came out there was a hate-fest for the fan base. That was people getting annoyed by the fans and turned off to the series.

Then there's the group some are calling the "Reavers" instead of "Browncoats."

Well, whatever they call themselves, Reavers are Browncoats to non-fans.

I loved the movie, I'm sorry it didn't do better because I would like to see a sequel, but you know what? Joss hasn't been taken out to a field and shot. Just like if Kevin does more non-J&SB movies, I'll see whatever a creator whose work I enjoy may do. It's the mind behind what I like that makes what entertains me.

While I would rather be taken out back and shot than see anything else by Joss Whedon, I would like to see Firefly return to TV. It is the one thing he has created that doesn't absolufuckinlutely suck the anal discharge from a dead monkey's ass.

DangerSeeker

10-19-2005, 05:30 PM

Most of your comments about those of us who were just sanely, politely trying to encourage people to give the movie some thought are actually comments directed at these Reavers. It's not what they're calling themselves. It's a way for non-psycho fans to distance ourselves from the assholes.

Razorback

10-19-2005, 05:49 PM

DangerSeeker

10-19-2005, 06:15 PM

Actually, the general public thinks "What the fuck's a Browncoat?"

jjcourtright

10-19-2005, 06:19 PM

Apparently I'm a member of the general public.

Dave

10-19-2005, 06:24 PM

Me too. No idea what a Reaver or a Browncoat is...

Zens7s

10-19-2005, 09:25 PM

Me too. No idea what a Reaver or a Browncoat is...
Me three. And there is a obstinate part of me that wants to keep it that way.

RobinHoodDaffy

10-19-2005, 09:38 PM

Stay golden, Zens, stay golden.

Mighty Wingman

10-19-2005, 11:35 PM

Me three. And there is a obstinate part of me that wants to keep it that way.
When you three finally get around to seeing this movie you're going to kick yourselves for not seeing it sooner.

marksiwel

10-20-2005, 12:06 AM

This is Razorback
"Dammit I like Firefly and Sterenity, but I cant admit to it. That would be un-cool. I dont want to look like a square in front of the youngsters. I will also be a dick because som Firefly fan made fun of Star Wars (which is his life, his love, and his lady). I (Razorback) am unable to like two Sci-Fi Movies/Shows from Creators many adore. Clearly Joss Whedon is the future but I must cling to my Lucas for he is MY FATHER!"

This is Firefly geeks
"The movie will make 1 gabillion dollars after the DVD comes out"

This is Me
"I shave dogs asses for money,I need sleep."

Dave

10-20-2005, 11:27 AM

When you three finally get around to seeing this movie you're going to kick yourselves for not seeing it sooner.

I still haven't seen Batman Begins yet, so there is a lot of things i'll be kicking myself for, i sure.

ILovePapaSmurf

10-20-2005, 12:52 PM

If you do end up buying 'Batman Begins' on DVD, make sure you buy the special edition. I purchased my copy of BB and ended up only getting the trailer as a special feature. Freakin' Wal-Mart.

Robbo_the_Hood

10-20-2005, 01:00 PM

That's one of the reasons you shouldn't shop at Wal-Mart. Another good reason is they tear down high schools because they want all children left behind.

Dave

10-20-2005, 01:02 PM

That's the second mention of Wal-mart tearing down a school you've made. My jedi powers sense a story there....

Robbo_the_Hood

10-20-2005, 01:09 PM

That's the second mention of Wal-mart tearing down a school you've made. My jedi powers sense a story there....You haven't seen this story (http://moviepoopshoot.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1172&highlight=wal-mart)?

u6ik

10-20-2005, 01:11 PM

I think this thread has touched a nerve :)

I've now just finished watching the TV show on DVD and it's not changed my opinion. It still rocks!

I believe the movie was made after the DVD sales did well. Also that DVD sales have increased since the movie release, maybe this cycle will get us another movie/series like Star Trek did (see earlier post). Maybe Serenity/Firefly could replace Star Trek, now Enterprise has died on its arse.

Razorback is massively Star Wars biased, and until the last bunch of Lucas movies (Episode I to III), I was too. But on the subject of naming the movie, he has a point. However, "The Phantom Menace", "Attack of the Clones"... ? Though descriptive, everyone went "WTF?" when the titles were released. Mind you, in terms or Serenity, "Space Cowboys" had already been taken ;)

How's the T-shirt slogan go? "Han shot first!"... (Too much Lucas tinkering)

or is it

"Josh Wheadon is my master now!"

;)

Zens7s

10-20-2005, 01:12 PM

You haven't seen this story (http://moviepoopshoot.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1172&highlight=wal-mart)?
Ha! The "Dorman Center". I always knew things with that name were destructive.

Dave

10-20-2005, 01:15 PM

I must have forgotten it. They keep building a lot of those strip shopping centers here as well, and stores move from one to another, leaving the old one to be filled with Title loan places and dollar stores. Why can't they just renovate the old ones, i wonder?

Razorback

10-20-2005, 01:41 PM

How's the T-shirt slogan go? "Han shot first!"... (Too much Lucas tinkering)

or is it

"Josh Wheadon is my master now!"

;)

The same people wear those shirts. So, the biggest nerds on the planet, who complain about everything, hate Greedo shooting first and love Whedon. Not that I like Greedo shooting first, but I don't give a shit if it is never changed back (they got close in the last release). Just like I don't give a shit if Joss Whedon survives his plane ride home.

Razorback

10-20-2005, 01:43 PM

This is Razorback
"Dammit I like Firefly and Sterenity, but I cant admit to it.

I can't what?

Razorback

10-20-2005, 01:45 PM

Actually, the general public thinks "What the fuck's a Browncoat?"

The general public reading Internet geek boards. You know, the shit we have been talking about.

u6ik

10-20-2005, 02:04 PM

...hate Greedo shooting first and love Whedon. Not that I like Greedo shooting first.

It's not that I hate the fact Lucas changed the scene. It's the reason. To make Han look like he's got the moral high ground in self defence. Why have a good idea and make Han part of the villiany on Tatooine and then give him morals. The point is he doesn't.

It's one of the reasons I like Mals character. No long chat about "I'm going to have to fight you now"... just KBLAAAM! Taking the initiative.

Anyway, why have I been dragged into defending my geekness, when you're the one with a gzillion posts? :D

Razorback

10-20-2005, 02:46 PM

It's not that I hate the fact Lucas changed the scene. It's the reason. To make Han look like he's got the moral high ground in self defence. Why have a good idea and make Han part of the villiany on Tatooine and then give him morals. The point is he doesn't.

That is not true. Han has morals or he would never have changed. He is not a murderer. Lucas felt that he murdered Greedo (he is wrong, but that is how he felt). It doesn't change his character one bit. That argument is a stretch. It just changes one scene.

It's one of the reasons I like Mals character. No long chat about "I'm going to have to fight you now"... just KBLAAAM! Taking the initiative.

Yes, created that way because Whedon wanted to show the side that he thought Han should have (but doesn't, and didn't ever have even before the change).

Anyway, why have I been dragged into defending my geekness, when you're the one with a gzillion posts? :D

I am proud of being a geek.

jjcourtright

10-20-2005, 03:39 PM

If you do end up buying 'Batman Begins' on DVD, make sure you buy the special edition. I purchased my copy of BB and ended up only getting the trailer as a special feature. Freakin' Wal-Mart.Stop shopping at Wal-Mart! Won't somebody please think of the Robbo?

Robbo_the_Hood

10-20-2005, 04:03 PM

Stop shopping at Wal-Mart! Won't somebody please think of the Robbo?Finally, someone gets it.

Razorback

10-20-2005, 04:58 PM

I am so going to shop at Walmart from here on in.

We have way too many schools. Not enough cheap prices that kill M&P shops.

u6ik

10-21-2005, 06:02 AM

What's all this about WalMart? Isn't that the shop where kiddies can buy ammo and shoot each other?

If they want to remove themselves from the gene pool, that's fine by me. It's the other poor kids they take with them I feel for :(

Dave

10-21-2005, 11:35 AM

It's not the fact that kiddies are buying ammo there. It's the fact that the shells are so cheap that it puts Jim Bob Cooter's Fish'n Tackle & Ammo World out of Business.

http://boortz.com/images/funny/redneck_pics_vending.jpg

u6ik

10-21-2005, 11:50 AM

As I'm from the UK, I really don't get the 'running around with guns' thing that you guys in the US have. As Robin Williams said "You have the right to bear arms or the right to arm bears...", it don't make much sense.

Anyway, why do you need to arm yourselves? Who the hell is going to actually invade America en mass? Leave the guns to the armed forces, that's why you pay them.

;)

Dave

10-21-2005, 11:55 AM

That's who were are bearing arms against. The right to bear arms is to protect us from the Federal Gov'ts Army.

(yes, i know, they have tanks and Billy Jack Windom only has his 30.06, but that's the rational)

Lets not start a gun control debate...

By-tor

10-21-2005, 01:51 PM

Anyway, why do you need to arm yourselves? To keep you feckin' English out of your old colony. Long live the Revolution!

Zens7s

10-21-2005, 02:20 PM

To keep you feckin' English out of your old colony. Long live the Revolution!
Think of what America would be like under English rule! Oh wait, it would be Canada. And our sense of humor would be totally different.

As Jerry Jeff Walker once said "I will substantiate the rumor that the English sense of humor is drier than the Texas sand."

Although I will point out to you By-tor that you and I would be safe from them...the English have never ruled over Texas.

By-tor

10-21-2005, 03:03 PM

Although I will point out to you By-tor that you and I would be safe from them...the English have never ruled over Texas.If Texas were to secede from the Union(which is still possible), I would imagine it would be the richest country in the world per capita. RB probably has the stats to prove it.

jjcourtright

10-21-2005, 03:51 PM

That's who were are bearing arms against. The right to bear arms is to protect us from the Federal Gov'ts Army.I'm gonna disagree with you there Dave. Why would our forefathers have written in the ability to overthrow the government that they just worked so hard to create? The militias were the original Army. If I remember correctly, we initially only had a Federal Navy, there was no Federal Army, every man was just expected to rise up and do his duty for his country in case of attack.

While we're on the subject, Slate has an article (http://www.slate.com/id/2127371/#Spellbound) about Harriet Mier's punctuation. In it Bruce Reed talks about punctuation problems and brings up the 2nd Amendment. Here's the important bit:
Consider one of the great Constitutional mysteries, the 2nd Amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Few sentences have done more to shape our current political landscape, and by extension, the current makeup of the Court. Yet you don't even have to be a Supreme Court Justice to see that the 2nd Amendment is largely a punctuation problem. Removing the first and third commas clears matters up quite a bit.

Zens7s

10-21-2005, 04:18 PM

Speaking of the Federal Navy, it always makes me giggle that there is a Mexican Navy.

What do they do down there? Have we ever had the Mexavy come to our aid in time of war? Do they just play lots of volleyball to Kenny Loggins songs while all greased up? Do they just go to bars and sing "Usted ha perdido esa sensación cariñosa" to the laidies until we call upon them to make a major burrito run when the U.S. Navy gets the munchies?

jjcourtright

10-21-2005, 04:26 PM

Usted nunca se cierra los ojos más cuando me beso los labios. Y no hay dulzura como antes adentro sus yemas del dedo. Usted está intentando difícilmente no demostrarla, (bebé). Pero bebé, bebé la sé.

Usted ha perdido de ese lovin ' sensación, Whoa, que la sensación del lovin ', usted ha perdido esa del lovin ' sensación, ahora él es......... wooooooh ido ido ido.

Ahora no hay mirada agradable en sus ojos cuando alcanzo para usted. Y ahora el your're que comienza critisize pequeñas cosas que lo hago. Me hace la sensación justa como el griterío, (bebé). ' cause a bebé, algo en usted está muriendo.

Usted perdió de ese lovin ' sensación, Whoa, que la sensación del lovin ', usted ha perdido esa del lovin ' sensación, ahora él es......... woooooah ido ido ido

Bebé, bebé, consigo abajo en mis rodillas para usted. Si usted me amaría solamente como usted utilizó hacer, sí. Teníamos un amor... un amor... un amor que usted no encuentra diario. No tan... no ... no ... no lo deje deslizarse lejos.

Bebé (bebé), bebé (bebé), pido de usted por favor... por favor, necesito su amor (necesito su amor), yo necesito su amor (necesito su amor), así que tráigalo en la parte posteriora (así que tráigale encendido la parte posteriora), la traen en la parte posteriora (así que tráigale encendido la parte posteriora).

Traiga detrás ese lovin ' sensación, Whoa, que el lovin ' sensación trae detrás sensación a ese lovin ', ' la causan se va... ido... ido, y no puedo ir en, noooo...

Traiga detrás ese lovin ' sensación, Whoa, que el lovin ' sensación trae detrás sensación a ese lovin ', ' la causan se va... ido...

jjcourtright

10-21-2005, 04:27 PM

The best part: Apparently Babel Fish does not quite understand lovin', so it just left it in there.

Zens7s

10-21-2005, 04:36 PM

I tell you what...
me beso los labios
One letter off and you are kissing a whole different body part than the one on her face!

jjcourtright

10-21-2005, 04:48 PM

I was thinking that that line read awfully dirtily.

Razorback

10-21-2005, 08:35 PM

u6ik

10-22-2005, 07:17 AM

The above quoted post is why we have to arm ourselves.

I quite agree. All very scary. I'm glad only 20% of you have a passport... Mind you, most of those are the military - and they only ever seem to have one agenda.

:(

Whoever said "Peace in our time" was definitely fibbing. It would be more accurate to say "Violence beyond our borders, with countries of weak military resistance who cannot defend themselves, to the benefit of our fiscal purse."

;)

marksiwel

10-22-2005, 07:26 PM

I hear Americans shoot and then eat babies, for thier oil. Also your from the UK, so umm....go blow Ireland you commie pinko's

Psyche

10-23-2005, 12:55 AM

So, with that said, Serenity kicked some serious ass. Oh sure, there's some corny dialogue, some bad camera angles and a couple of poorly scripted scenes that should've been re-shot or just cut. But I could say worse things about EpIII. Actually, I think I did.

he does the bad camera angles purposely..in the special features on the series he said eh purposely made some of the CGI look like some amateur shot it.

Razorback

10-23-2005, 01:38 AM

I quite agree. All very scary. I'm glad only 20% of you have a passport... Mind you, most of those are the military - and they only ever seem to have one agenda.

:(

Whoever said "Peace in our time" was definitely fibbing. It would be more accurate to say "Violence beyond our borders, with countries of weak military resistance who cannot defend themselves, to the benefit of our fiscal purse."

;)

You need to stop these evil Americans. I hear they are worse than the Nazis.

Razorback

10-23-2005, 01:40 AM

he does the bad camera angles purposely..in the special features on the series he said eh purposely made some of the CGI look like some amateur shot it.

Oh yeah... I purposely left out major information in my final statistics project so that my professor would think that some amateur did it. That way I would get a lower grade.

RobinHoodDaffy

10-23-2005, 03:20 AM

Oh yeah... I purposely left out major information in my final statistics project so that my professor would think that some amateur did it. That way I would get a lower grade.

If the artist in you is willing to stand by that statement, then it is our duty to recognize that and make our judgement on that basis. However, since art is subjective, your professor may not understand or even enjoy this bold statement. Therefore you must be willing to understand that for every brave stand you take there will be some philistine waiting to throw cheap potshots. Even if they are talking out of their ass.

Razorback

10-23-2005, 04:10 PM

for every brave stand you take there will be some philistine waiting to throw cheap potshots. Even if they are talking out of their ass.

Holy buggers.... you wrote that down and believed every word!

Mighty Wingman

10-24-2005, 06:43 AM

he does the bad camera angles purposely..in the special features on the series he said eh purposely made some of the CGI look like some amateur shot it.
That don't make no kinda sense.

u6ik

10-24-2005, 08:01 AM

Making footage look like a news guys shooting a war documentry and trying not to get his arse kicked into the next world, is quite a popular trend at the moment. BSG did a similar thing didn't it?

Razorback

10-24-2005, 08:17 AM

Making footage look like a news guys shooting a war documentry and trying not to get his arse kicked into the next world, is quite a popular trend at the moment. BSG did a similar thing didn't it?

What you are talking about is not what you think you are talking about. Whedon's use of some off-angle camera shots is fine. It is an interesting perspective. However, crappy effects are not done on purpose. They are done out of necessity.

And BSG's effects just work better because they are usually used in a darker environment. Bad CGI and model work looks great in darkness (like space).

u6ik

10-24-2005, 10:40 AM

I find that the odd camera angles works well. It may have also come about due to the set being so small. Working a working set the size of a shoe box can't help. You just stick the camera in the available space.

....Gee no sleep last night. I make no sense at all! Doh! Zzzz.

phit_demon

10-24-2005, 08:18 PM

I hear Americans shoot and then eat babies, for thier oil. Also your from the UK, so umm....go blow Ireland you commie pinko's

Hey, Hey, Hey....leave us outta this...we're not interested in barrels of oil, just pots of gold. ;)

phit_demon

10-24-2005, 08:33 PM

I've been sick for the last week, and to help stem the tide of boredom I downloaded the entire series of Firefly, and I must hold my hand up and take back anything bad I ever said about the show. I loved it.
I've just come back from Serenity and although I enjoyed it, watching it was kinda sad because it felt like it would have been a better story if they could have taken their time with it on the show. It's pretty clear that Joss just compacted the story that he intended to play through the whole first season. Damn shame...:(

Razorback

10-24-2005, 09:13 PM

It's pretty clear that Joss just compacted the story that he intended to play through the whole first season. Damn shame...:(

After seeing Serenity a few times, the one thing that really stands out now is when Jayne raises his voice to Mal. It should not happen that way.... Jayne is scared shitless of Mal. He would NEVER talk to him like that. At least not after what happened in the hanger..... you know, after the "hero" Jayne "saved" River and Simon.

It bugs the shit out of me.

phit_demon

10-24-2005, 10:12 PM

After seeing Serenity a few times, the one thing that really stands out now is when Jayne raises his voice to Mal. It should not happen that way.... Jayne is scared shitless of Mal. He would NEVER talk to him like that. At least not after what happened in the hanger..... you know, after the "hero" Jayne "saved" River and Simon.

It bugs the shit out of me.

Very true, although I didn't really process it at the time. After his stay of execution at the end of the Alliance medical centre heist episode, he would never have exploded at him like that. I also found it odd that Mal and Simon so easily fell out with each other when Simon decides to leave near the beginning, as the two got on well in the series.

Razorback

10-25-2005, 02:08 AM

For me, every scene that bugs me is wiped away by the few really badass scenes. I can watch the first "Leaf on the Wind" moment over and over. But then I am a sucker for little poetic things like that.

I think that if Whedon had the money that he would have done more huge things like that. It is kind of a shame that the movie hasn't done better because who knows what his Empire Strikes Back would have been like?

RobinHoodDaffy

10-25-2005, 11:11 PM

Holy buggers.... you wrote that down and believed every word!

I know this is WAYYY out of date, for I have been away, but you wound me sir! I thought you spoke better smart ass than that.

u6ik

10-26-2005, 05:32 AM

I think that if Whedon had the money that he would have done more huge things like that. It is kind of a shame that the movie hasn't done better because who knows what his Empire Strikes Back would have been like?

You never know. If it's a slow burner, it may yet get another movie. Pitch Black got another movie... Mind you if they put out rubbish like xXx and then xXx 2 then a quality sequel like Serenity 2 should be a shoe-in no matter what the ratings. :D

Razorback

10-26-2005, 09:51 AM

You never know. If it's a slow burner, it may yet get another movie.

Slow burner? What slow burn?

Pitch Black got another movie... Mind you if they put out rubbish like xXx and then xXx 2 then a quality sequel like Serenity 2 should be a shoe-in no matter what the ratings. :D

PITCH BLACK cost $23 million (figure it spent only about $10 million on marketing, as it was not heavily marketed at all) and made nearly $40 million in the US (and $13 million overseas). Plus, it did well on video/DVD. XXX cost $70 million ($50 million in for marketing) and made $142 million in the US and $135 million overseas, and did very well on video/DVD.

SERENITY has a failed TV show behind it, and a reported film budget of $40 million (which is not true, my super secret fake insiders tell me the budget was actually $60 million) and a marketing cost of around $25 million. It will probably end its run in the US at $27 million, and its current overseas take is $9 million (which, if you project for industry averages, may end up around $25 million).

So, it could have a worldwide take of, let's just throw a number out there) of $55 million. That will be a loss of roughly (hold on, I am pulling out the calculator and using my uber statistical analysis skills).... $40 million (the theatres get their cut, you know). With DVD sales of Firefly at 500,000 (not the inflated 1 or 2 million units reported by some fan sites), and a realistic increase of perhaps a million units, the movie could make another $30 million in DVD sales, worldwide.

Then, it could make another $2 million over the next 10 years from some cable channel picking it up for exclusive broadcast.

In conclusion, fat chance. Serenity is dead. :(

Mighty Wingman

10-26-2005, 12:18 PM

I've paid to see it three times now, so I've done my part.

The rest of youze need to get off your asses go see it!

u6ik

10-26-2005, 02:44 PM

I've paid to see it three times now, so I've done my part.

The rest of youze need to get off your asses go see it!

What he said :D Been 3 times myself... Just spread the word. It'll be a shame if it just dies without trace :( ... considering it's better than Star Wars ;)

jjcourtright

10-26-2005, 03:17 PM

The rest of youze need to get off your asses go see it!Nah, I'm good.

Zens7s

10-26-2005, 03:36 PM

Nah, I'm good.
I talked to Jesus...or maybe that was Jesus the maintainance crew guy at my building...either way he has assured me that seeing it is not critical to my salvation.

Dave

10-26-2005, 03:49 PM

I'm curious what he suggest to you was critical to your salivation...

Zens7s

10-26-2005, 03:53 PM

I'm curious what he suggest to you was critical to your salivation...
Water. At least 8 glasses a day.

Mighty Wingman

10-26-2005, 06:47 PM

Nah, I'm good.
What if I say get on your ass and go see it ? (as most theatres provide seating.)

Razorback

10-26-2005, 06:57 PM

I've paid to see it three times now, so I've done my part.

The rest of youze need to get off your asses go see it!

I have paid to see it three times and took at least one person with me each time. However, at this point there is no point in trying to save it. Theaters are dropping it. It is possible to squeeze out a couple of million in the dollar theatres, but I doubt that will happen.

actualsize

10-27-2005, 01:13 AM

I'm surprised at the apparent open hostility toward this movie. Several of you seem to be staunchly opposed to the mere thought of seeing it. At the same time, everyone I've talked to who has seen it, Browncoat or not, has loved it, or at least liked it quite a bit. I myself went in as a doubter and came out a fan. So why is this flick so polarizing?

marksiwel

10-27-2005, 02:46 AM

I have paid to see it three times and took at least one person with me each time. However, at this point there is no point in trying to save it. Theaters are dropping it. It is possible to squeeze out a couple of million in the dollar theatres, but I doubt that will happen.
Everytime you say you dont believe in fairies one dies. Now clap your hands with me and lets bring one back to life.

Regardless of the money it made, will make, or didnt make.
I am happy the movie was made well and didnt fear taking a risk or two because the creator had respect for the fans and for our minds. Atleast it wasnt some baldy put together Green Screen POS full of Jamicain Aliens, and Bad Dialogue, that really only made money because every kid under 15 wanted to see it because then they could go get the Burger King tie in and be the coolest kid on the playground with a plastic flashlight sword. I'm glad that life long fans who grew up the TV show didnt have to deal with a Re-Mastered Firefly DVD set that cheapens the whole thing for everyone. But hey Firefly which was better written, acted, or paced than anything else out there didnt do as well as we wanted. Then again when Fear Factor is a top rated show I dont have much faith in people knowing whats shit and whats gold.

Razorback

10-27-2005, 08:33 AM

I am happy the movie was made well and didnt fear taking a risk or two because the creator had respect for the fans and for our minds. Atleast it wasnt some baldy put together Green Screen POS full of Jamicain Aliens

Everytime one of you Browncoat idiots posts shit like this, I stop feeling bad for the franchise. In fact, I giggle a little on the inside. :)

How sad for you that you have to trash a successful franchise to make yourself feel better about your failed one.

By the way, as a Jamaican sociology professor once told my class, if you think Jar-Jar Binks sounds or acts Jamaican it is probably because you are a racist.... or at the least a hardcore bigot and a moron. My professor said that, not me. I have no opinion in the matter. ;)

TLS

10-27-2005, 10:01 AM

I want to see it, but it isn't playing around here. I think it was in the theaters for like 2 days and I was busy then. :(

Razorback

10-27-2005, 11:25 AM

Check out this mockumentary of Serenity called "Mosquito." (http://www.mosquitoverse.com/)

The best parts are the ones that are so true it is scary. :D

u6ik

10-27-2005, 05:18 PM

Check out this mockumentary of Serenity called "Mosquito." (http://www.mosquitoverse.com/)

The best parts are the ones that are so true it is scary. :D

Actually, this is quite funny ;)

I am happy the movie was made well and didnt fear taking a risk or two

I know a lot of the movies out at the moment lack originality or are simply remakes, but the dollar still talks louder than content. Crap that makes money will always out do better movies that people can't get their head round. I really liked Serenity, but no matter which way you slice it... it didn't make money. Star Wars was 'the' big space opera, everythinig else will be measured against it even if it is an unfair comparrison.

marksiwel

10-27-2005, 09:42 PM

Everytime one of you Browncoat idiots posts shit like this, I stop feeling bad for the franchise. In fact, I giggle a little on the inside. :)

How sad for you that you have to trash a successful franchise to make yourself feel better about your failed one.

By the way, as a Jamaican sociology professor once told my class, if you think Jar-Jar Binks sounds or acts Jamaican it is probably because you are a racist.... or at the least a hardcore bigot and a moron. My professor said that, not me. I have no opinion in the matter. ;)
Really I never watched Firefly untill I heard about the movie, but I have always felt this way about Star Wars..so um...Brown Coat? I think not.

Clearly your professor is a liberal baby eater.

marksiwel

10-27-2005, 09:45 PM

Actually, this is quite funny ;)

I know a lot of the movies out at the moment lack originality or are simply remakes, but the dollar still talks louder than content. Crap that makes money will always out do better movies that people can't get their head round. I really liked Serenity, but no matter which way you slice it... it didn't make money. Star Wars was 'the' big space opera, everythinig else will be measured against it even if it is an unfair comparrison.
I dont really care about the money. I am just happy I got to watch a good movie. I would LIKE for their to be a sequal but that doesnt mean I am holding out anyhope for it.
Also it seems like Razorback is the one taking some sort of sick joy in this movies "failure". I think he is just mad because it was better thant Star Wars. And it gets his feathers up, Icant think of any other reason for him to act like so childish

u6ik

10-28-2005, 05:28 AM

Razorback is the one taking some sort of sick joy in this movies "failure"

Star Wars is his baby. There's very little he doesn't know about it and he defends it with blind passion. Once you understand that, you can just drop in a line like "Serenity is better than Star Wars" and watch him ping off the walls. It's very entertaining :D

And I agree... Serenity is better than Star Wars...

3..2..1... Q Razorback ;)

Razorback

10-28-2005, 09:22 AM

Star Wars is his baby.

You all assume way too much. LOTR is my baby. Star Wars is my fun little fantasy world. :)

There's very little he doesn't know about it and he defends it with blind passion.

Typical ignorance.... there is very much I don't know about it. As I have stated many times, the story I know very well, but all the little things that many Star Wars fans obsess over, I don't know much about (like character and vehicle names).

But hey, I understand that you would want to ignore the truth for something else. It is much more fun to not have your facts in order.... that way you never really have to try at anything.

Once you understand that, you can just drop in a line like "Serenity is better than Star Wars" and watch him ping off the walls. It's very entertaining

It is the same joy I get from watching you Browncoats pretend that:

Serenity is better than Star Wars

Oh the giggles! :D

3... 2... 1... que moronic response from one of the low IQ types. ;)

TLS

10-28-2005, 09:39 AM

Yay! I finally get the board. And wouldn't ya know it, it'd be at the one time I don't have anything to say. (kicks rock, walking away mumbling to self)

(turns around and yells back)
I like corn!

u6ik

10-28-2005, 10:47 AM

Que moronic response from one of the low IQ types.

40 is not a low IQ. :D

I've got a few spare if you want any.

And poor TLS, so beautiful and yet... ain't that always the way ;)

TLS

10-28-2005, 04:31 PM

And poor TLS, so beautiful and yet...
..so funny.

That's what you were going to say, right? :rolleyes:

Razorback

10-28-2005, 09:58 PM

40 is not a low IQ. :D

At least not for a Browncoat. ;)

u6ik

10-29-2005, 11:38 AM

..so funny.

That's what you were going to say, right? :rolleyes:

...No.

Charming.

And yet... so charming. As only TLS could be ;)

Did I save myself? Who can say...

sonnyboo

10-29-2005, 05:39 PM

Put this in your pipe... Serenity/Firefly is better than Star Wars. Fact!

I agree...

FIREFLY had more depth to character & better story.

u6ik

10-29-2005, 07:51 PM

I agree...

FIREFLY had more depth to character & better story.

Ah. Someone else with taste... Welcome to the boards sonnyboo :D

phit_demon

10-30-2005, 01:43 AM

On top of spagheeeeeettiiiiiiiiiii all covered in cheese,
I lost my poor meeeeeatbaaall...come on, you all know the words!!

Razorback

10-30-2005, 04:03 AM

I agree...

FIREFLY had more depth to character & better story.

Nope. It just had better acting.

u6ik

10-30-2005, 06:37 PM

Nope. It just had better acting.

That's true. Better acting all round. Mal with the moody, impulsive character with a moral conscience, and Jayne as the dim but oddly loyal crew mate, always keen for a fight. It makes for compulsive viewing.

Also, on the matter of getting the series under way... I hear that the Fox execs canned it but basically ran roughshod over the viewing times so noone knew whether it was going to be on one week or the next. And the first episode that filled in all the back story was not shown due a clash with the World Series.

Maybe its release was just cursed with bad luck? :(

Razorback

10-31-2005, 01:31 AM

u6ik

11-01-2005, 02:13 PM

My super secret fake insiders tell me that SERENITY is going to be released on December 20th, on DVD. However, this will be the limited extras version (if any). There will, apparently, be an extended edition with tons of extras to follow at some point in 2006.

This is, of course, only a rumor.... for now. :)

Very clever. A friend of mine has a copy of the DVD, however, when I came to buy a copy they had been withdrawn. Now the movie is released and out they come... nice little silver discs of joy. I will certainly contribute to the Joss Wheadon fund, and possibly the extended edition too if one crops up to explain the terrible overall handling of this movie. Goes to show, cream doesn't always rise to the top ;)

ILovePapaSmurf

12-17-2005, 02:20 PM

I had the chance to view the Serenity DVD earlier this week and it looks so awesome on my television. So awesome and I can't help but have feelings for 'The Operative' every time I watched it. He is so bad ass. I can't wait to own it on Tuesday.

Dave

12-17-2005, 11:02 PM

that movies already out on Video? damn that was quick.

Razorback

12-17-2005, 11:20 PM

that movies already out on Video? damn that was quick.

Well, the movie made less worldwide than it cost to make. So they need to make back their money somehow before the year ends. :)

FanGirl

12-18-2005, 12:05 AM

marksiwel

12-18-2005, 12:48 AM

Dave

12-18-2005, 04:52 AM

So what i'm hearing is that the same.....

Gahhhh, i'm drunk and can't string together a sentence. nevermind.....

Razorback

12-18-2005, 07:16 AM

Exactly and the prediction is that it will make all the money back by the end of the quarter. I heard a rumor that they are going to make a sequel movie, but it was be a Sci-fi original movie instead of a theatrical release. Sounds cool to me as long as they don't make them shoot in Romania.

Cool. I have not heard that rumor but anything is possible. As long as they, in the long run, end up making money on the movie then there is no reason not to make more.

Razorback

12-18-2005, 07:18 AM

Yep its #1 on the Amazon preoder list, and Firefly the show is in the top 20 dvd in sales at amazon as well. Its going to make its money back regardless of its box office, and then its syndication rights will make alot of money, and then the dvd sales over the next year will kick ass.

I wouldn't count on much money coming from syndication. They don't have anywhere close to the amount of shows necessary for that. I think they should just make all new Firefly features direct-to-DVD... or better yet, Internet On-Demand.

jjcourtright

12-19-2005, 03:20 PM

Internet On-Demand.Razorback tells them to make a movie, and they do it?

Psyche

12-19-2005, 08:39 PM

Exactly and the prediction is that it will make all the money back by the end of the quarter. I heard a rumor that they are going to make a sequel movie, but it was be a Sci-fi original movie instead of a theatrical release. Sounds cool to me as long as they don't make them shoot in Romania.

i heard they're making new episodes on scifi-not an original movie

marksiwel

12-19-2005, 09:11 PM

Ongoing show vs direct to video sequals...Either way would be good. Will it happen? I dont know, I hope so. Atleast everyone here isnt a crazy anti-firefly nut like they are at imdb.com or some other sites.

I cant see the Serenity/Firefly universe going on without THOSE 2 characters whom we lost in the movie. But I can try, maybe Zoe has a baby? Jayne sleeps with River? Wash's twin brother joins the crew?

phit_demon

12-20-2005, 12:48 AM

Wash's twin brother joins the crew?

Who he was partners with during his short-lived but lucrative shampoo venture..
http://1apreis.org/produkte/gr/00061206.jpg

Dave

12-20-2005, 07:15 PM

Psyche

12-20-2005, 09:41 PM

Razorback

12-21-2005, 05:36 AM

So it looks like Firefly is dead, huh.

Joss Whedon in EW: "As for Serenity, ''I have closure,'' he says. ''And now, I can have it in my home — which means that finally I can actually stop working on it.''

the whole danged article (http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1141343_1_0_,00.html)

He may have closure but there is more going to happen with the Firefly universe. It may not be in live action, but it will continue on in an expanded universe format (based on info from my super secret fake insider Ninjas, and they are rarely wrong).

TLS

12-21-2005, 10:20 AM

I finally saw Serenity last night.

It was kinda sad, what happened to one of my favorite characters. :(

Leaf on the wind... (I get it now)

Razorback

12-21-2005, 01:16 PM

I finally saw Serenity last night.

It was kinda sad, what happened to one of my favorite characters. :(

Leaf on the wind... (I get it now)

I went over by a friend yesterday to watch BSG season 2.0 but instead we ended up watching Serenity. Poor little leaf on the wind... :(

Omaru

12-21-2005, 03:58 PM

Yarr, space be no place
for a pirate named steve.

marksiwel

12-23-2005, 03:55 AM

So is Battlestar G 2.0 all of season 2 or just half? If its half how come its still 50 dollars?

Also Wal Mart only has Full Screen versions of Serenity. Dammit I want Widescreen! Why even make fullscreen DVDs? Dont those morons have VCR's?
I bought a copy for my girlfriend and a copy for me.
At the start menu of the dvd press left and you will highlight alittle button on the right hand side of the screen, press enter, you will then get to see the "Fruity Oaty Bar" thingy.

FanGirl

12-23-2005, 11:21 AM

Joss said he had closure at the edn of every Buffy season. That does not mean that he won't be back for more. It just means he's okay if nothing else happens.

I picked it up and rewatched it. Such a great movie. Now when I get back home (I'm in Chicago now), I'm going to rewatch all the episodes and then the movie.

Razorback

12-23-2005, 05:57 PM

So is Battlestar G 2.0 all of season 2 or just half? If its half how come its still 50 dollars?

It is certainly not the full season since it has not even been shown on TV. However, I have seen it for a lot less than $50.

jjcourtright

12-27-2005, 03:08 PM

Also Wal Mart only has Full Screen versions of Serenity. Dammit I want Widescreen! Why even make fullscreen DVDs? Dont those morons have VCR's? Do I really need to tell you people not to shop at Wal-Mart again?

Zens7s

12-27-2005, 03:48 PM

Do I really need to tell you people not to shop at Wal-Mart again?
Do I need to sic my mom on them JJ?

ILovePapaSmurf

12-27-2005, 07:37 PM

The Boy purchased "The Wal-Mart" DVD, which I have yet to see it. Super Size Me didn't stop me from eating at McDonalds (their chicken nuggets are the shit) and well, not sure if this is going to stop me. But, I heard about the Three year old girl who has to brush her teeth with ash because she can't afford to purchase toothpaste. Poor girl.

Zens7s

12-27-2005, 08:55 PM

When I wake up with a hangover I feel like I brushed my teeth with ash.

marksiwel

12-28-2005, 01:00 AM

If I kissed Zens I bet it would taste like ash, sweet sweet ash.

Zens7s

12-28-2005, 02:42 PM

If I kissed Zens I bet it would taste like ash, sweet sweet ash.
Ash, Cinnamon toothpaste, and mouthwash.

But I have been told I taste best after drinking Frangelico. Hazelnut. ;)

Psyche

12-30-2005, 12:26 PM

well apparently serenity was #1 on dvd when it released. woot!

Razorback

12-30-2005, 02:43 PM

well apparently serenity was #1 on dvd when it released. woot!

#1 where? I have not seen any official charts for its week of release. Hell, it is #2 on Amazon and that is probably the only chart it is going to win.

Psyche

12-30-2005, 05:27 PM

#1 where? I have not seen any official charts for its week of release. Hell, it is #2 on Amazon and that is probably the only chart it is going to win.

i got teh announcement on my browncoats list. they're closing down the browncoats b/c it made #1

Browncoats,

We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty!

Serenity was the #1 DVD upon its release! This was a huge success that would not have happened without the support and dedication of The Browncoats. On behalf or Universal, I would like to thank you all for everything you have done to promote Serenity.

It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that on January 6, 2006, The Browncoats will shut down. We have had some wonderful times over these 19 months: met people from around the world, had interesting discussions about Serenity and every topic under the sun on the message boards, had lots of laughs (“I can’t believe Shepherd Book is Mal’s father *spoiler* ” was a personal favorite), and seen some sadness as well. There really has never been a community quite like The Browncoats.

Of course this is not the end of The Browncoats; there are many other sites that will allow the community to continue on. If you do get nostalgic for these boards, check out http://serenitymovie.org , a forum similar in look to this one set up by Gossi - one of our own.

All of your orders from the store are being processed, and will be shipped over the next 2 weeks. If you haven’t placed an order, please do so - your points aren’t going to be of any use once the site closes down. Remember we are at http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com

Once again a huge thank you from everyone here!

S_L

Razorback

12-30-2005, 10:51 PM

i got teh announcement on my browncoats list. they're closing down the browncoats b/c it made #1

Just as I thought. The same people who said that the TV series had sold twice as many DVDs as it actually had. Believe it or not, Serenity did NOT win any week in DVD sales. I would love to see from where they got their numbers, because I get my numbers from realiable sources. :)

The only thing I can guess is that they are counting some one day of the week sales and not all weekly sales. I am confident that this information is bogus, or at best twisted to fit the hope of many.

EDIT:

After doing a tiny bit of research (took me 12 seconds) I found this:

Serenity opens third. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/home_video/brief_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001771527)

Don't believe the hype.

marksiwel

12-31-2005, 02:07 AM

lunchbox1970

12-31-2005, 02:18 PM

Better than the original Star Wars? At first my heart cringed at the thought. RIDICULOUS is what my mind said. Then I sat back with a ... well .... smoke, and thought, 'possible'. However, it needs to stand the test of time. Almost 30 years later, the original SW has remained at (or near) the top. When serenity is receiving internet posts on this, or any website 30 years from now, I'll concede the argument. Until that time, lets not jump the gun here. Lets agree Serenity is all that, and 'pretty' I believe it was called. But lets refrain from comparisons to an icon like Star Wars, or Mallrats (couldnt help myself)

PEACE! and happy new year. Drive safe tonite

By-tor

12-31-2005, 02:28 PM

Hey, lunchbox, welcome to the shoot. If you want to talk Star Wars, Razorback is our resident "guru". The guy has an incredible amount of knowledge on the subject. And every other subject on the planet. Just ask him. ;)

lunchbox1970

12-31-2005, 02:43 PM

Well ty by-tor. I have been visiting this site for years actually, I just signed up today however. I saw something that almost made me lose my appetite(almost, Im a fat boy, lets not talk ridiculous) So I figured today was as good a day as any. Im not much of a comment writer, but I have an opinion (and yes, an asshole too) I think its a great thing to voice your opinion and this is as good a place as any. As I said, I read many posts here in the past few years, and most here seem to have their head screwed on straight. GLAD TO BE HERE. Lookin to stay awhile.

HUGS NOT DRUGS, or was it the other way around?

Razorback

12-31-2005, 03:34 PM

No Name movie (Serenity) comes out week before christmas and sells almost as well a hit comedy that made 5 times as much at the box office as other movie. Wow, how horrible, the underdog still comes out near the top and held its own.

I was simply pointing out that it didn't hit #1. The Browncoats are making shit up again.

Also, where did you get the idea that it sold "almost as well" as the movies above it? We won't know the actual numbers for a while. It could be that it sold 50,000 and the next above it sold 3 million. Just wait for the real numbers.

lunchbox1970

12-31-2005, 03:43 PM

Razorback

12-31-2005, 05:44 PM

HERE, HERE (or is it hear, hear?) And to further reitierate my point, I dont care what it does this year, I want to see someone make 2 sequels and 3 prequels about it. I want its phenomena to last 30 years, I want to see geeks posting on the net about it forever, like we, I mean they, do now. I want to see all the toy sales, burger king watches, and halloween costumes before we compare its impact on society compared to JEDI movies. I believe the original post said '...not since the original Star Wars BLA BLA BLA"

Before I get my panties in a twist, all Im saying is. Get back to me in 30 years!

PEACE, and long live the JEDI!

When it comes to Browncoats, you are preaching to the deaf and blind. Logic, sense, and reality mean very little to them. As long as you can pretend more people are into your passion then that is all that matters.

As much as I like Firefly/Serenity, I dislike the fan base.

Anyway, STAR WARS will be around in a hundred years.

lunchbox1970

12-31-2005, 07:37 PM

Again, perls of wisdom from the always wise Razor. You are right my brother, JEDI is a forever thing, and although I dont have anything personal against those fireflies, or any other movie bashing savant that graces us with his/her presence, I feel a need to defend the movie I sawat the age of 6. On opening weekend. late show, my brother slept, I never blinked. From that day on, I was a junkie!

Lookin forward to more posts from the master, razor, as I am just a padawan learner here!

PEACE! and CHEERS! (holding up a Captain n coke)

Razorback

12-31-2005, 08:06 PM

lunchbox1970

12-31-2005, 08:27 PM

ARSE KISSIN? ME? NEVER! Ok, maybe a little. But I have to give much respect to a man deserving of such. Forgive me, I shall tone down the ass kissin, but no promises! Anyone jockin the jedi, deserves some jockin of his own.

I was the football/baseball stud in school who was playing Dungeaons & dragons when the rest of the team was out drinkin and boning cheerleaders. It wasnt until the invention of the internet (God bless Al Gore) that I found a place where there were others like (or at least similar to) me!

In the meantime, can anyone tell me how to get an avatar on here? And, If ya have a lunchbox AV, I'd love it. Thanks to all for your help, and replies!

Psyche

12-31-2005, 09:36 PM

When it comes to Browncoats, you are preaching to the deaf and blind. Logic, sense, and reality mean very little to them. As long as you can pretend more people are into your passion then that is all that matters.

As much as I like Firefly/Serenity, I dislike the fan base.

Anyway, STAR WARS will be around in a hundred years.

gee thanks =[ i dislike you too =p

i'm more of a trekkie anyways

marksiwel

12-31-2005, 10:18 PM

I was simply pointing out that it didn't hit #1. The Browncoats are making shit up again.

All the research I did has said that the sales they are showing in YOUR POLL are untill the 25th, the browncoat newsletter was working off a diffrent time table, its not making up things, just a mistake
Example of people who made mistakes and then were called liars unfairly
" I thought they had WMD's" WOOPS! doesnt make you a liar, just mistaken.

Razorback

01-01-2006, 12:44 AM

All the research I did has said that the sales they are showing in YOUR POLL are untill the 25th, the browncoat newsletter was working off a diffrent time table

What different time table? These numbers are released weekly. So, the 25th would be week-of-release numbers. This is like a studio announcing that a movie has won the weekend box office on Friday. Saying "We got the DVD to #1" is at best misleading. Do they mean #1 on a Wednesday, between 12PM and 2PM?

marksiwel

01-01-2006, 02:27 AM

Maybe they were going by the day? The month? The year? Amazon.com Preoders? Best Buy Sales? Hey I dont know ask them. Do you really think they are just flat out ignoring the truth? I dont care what place the DVD comes out, I just want it to sell well enough to get another one.

Razorback

01-01-2006, 11:45 AM

Maybe they were going by the day? The month? The year? Amazon.com Preoders? Best Buy Sales? Hey I dont know ask them. Do you really think they are just flat out ignoring the truth?

I have no idea what they are reporting. Can it be that their numbers for next week show that SERENITY is #1? Sure. However, calling it before the weekend ends is what I call misleading.

It would be like Kevin saying that "Jay and Silent Bob" was the #1 movie, because it was #1 on Friday of its release. I will hold off and wait for the real numbers before giving this movie its first place status.

lunchbox1970

01-01-2006, 04:39 PM

Botoom line, these people who report these numbers are reporting them to promote the movie. (or whatever they are selling) To say #1 could be #1 across the nation, or at some small theatre in a town of 250 people, where it cpmetes with Steel Magnolias (which is being replayed for the 7000th week in a row) I'm not disrespecting anyone, or anything here. Just merely pointing out how advertiser 'work' the truth to promote a certain product, in this case, a movie.

"4 out of 5 people asked, believe that I am superman" (I asked my 3 kids, my dad, and a friend who was innebriated) MUST BE TRUE!

UP. UP, and AWAYYYYYYYYYYY!