EP 7, 8, &9

[cberquist]

When I was growing up, I remember reading several articles where George Lucas said that 1-3 would never get made. After lots of denial, he finally got around to making the first three and now says that 7-9 will never get made.

Do you think he will ever make the last trilogy? Is it a ruse? The rantings of a tired guy who just wants to take a break before starting another 10 year project? A calculated effort to only have one triology per generation? Thoughts?

[Razorback]

When I was growing up, I remember reading several articles where George Lucas said that 1-3 would never get made. After lots of denial, he finally got around to making the first three and now says that 7-9 will never get made.

The guy is 61. He is not going to make 3 more movies that will take up nine years of his life. I think that there is a much better chance of something spawning from a TV series than seeing episodes 7-9. Lucas says the Skywalker story is over, at least in movie form. I would rather see a KOTOR style movie anyway.

I think it will all depend on how well the TV shows are received.

[FanGirl]

I'd be up for a KOTOR movie. Revan's storyline would be great.

[Efexeye]

I hope it's over...

EDIT: The movies, I mean. I can't take another round of hype and merchandising tie-ins.

[Razorback]

Well, the TV shows are coming so it isn't over. ;)

I also think Lucas wants to make one last push for a major change in the industry and he will use Star Wars to do it. That change will be either direct-to-video/DVD or direct-to-Internet movie release. I have no idea what it will be but you know it will have to be Star Wars related.

[cberquist]

The guy is 61. He is not going to make 3 more movies that will take up nine years of his life. I think that there is a much better chance of something spawning from a TV series than seeing episodes 7-9. Lucas says the Skywalker story is over, at least in movie form. I would rather see a KOTOR style movie anyway.

I think it will all depend on how well the TV shows are received.

True, but he said for a long time that 1-3 would never get made. Man, I sure hope that TV show does well. Otherwise, maybe Kevin Smith and Dave Chappelle can be on the same E True Holywood Story.

[Razorback]

He was in his 30s and 40s when he said he didn't have any plans to make 1-3. He is now in his 60s. I don't think it is ever happening. Unless he is healthy when he is 90. ;)

[cberquist]

You think that this TV show may be some sort of trial to see if there is a worthy 7,8,9 director?

[Razorback]

You think that this TV show may be some sort of trial to see if there is a worthy 7,8,9 director?

Nope. I seriously don't think we will see 7-9. However, I do think we will see a feature length Star Wars production at some point and the TV shows will be the testing ground for how well the fanbase will support Star Wars outside of the Skywalker story line.

As I have said before, I think Lucas wants to release something big direct-to-video/DVD or on the Internet. Hyperspace (the pay portion of StarWars.com) was originally intended to be the place where Lucasfilm would produce original shows for pay-to-view. Things have a changed a bit over the years (mostly based on the pace at which technology has advanced) but I am sure they will return to that concept eventually.

Lucas likes to push the buttons of the industry.

[cberquist]

[QUOTE=Razorback]Hyperspace (the pay portion of StarWars.com) QUOTE]


At first glance I thought this said, "gay portion". It was funny. I laughed. I must need glasses.

[DarthMaulRat]

I really don't see there being a need for 7, 8, & 9. Darth Vader dies, and besides Episode 1, he's the biggest presence in all the films. For there to be a 7, 8, & 9, you would need at least one main character to return, i.e. a Luke, Leia, etc. I think the last thing these actors want to do is return for three more films.

[cberquist]

To be honest, when I heard about the clone wars, I thought "boring". But, I really did like how it turned out.

The thing is, there is a story line there that Lucas originally thought of and I am curious to see what it was. Does anyone know what Lucas' original thoughts on 7-9 were? What was the storyline?

[Razorback]

Does anyone know what Lucas' original thoughts on 7-9 were? What was the storyline?

I am not going into this again (as I have mentioned it 500 times by now). There is no 7-9 storyline. It was used up in ROTJ.

[psychofiend]

Personally I believe the possiblity for an episode 7, 8 and 9 is possible, but not likely. In a way the whole story has every conflict settled. With A New Hope they began in the middle of a conflict of Luke Skywalker being known as the son of Anakin Skywalker. Anakin seems to be known as good and not so good but it is never explained why until Empire. The conflict between the Sith and the Jedi is over in the film Return of the Jedi, because there is only one Jedi Master left and that is Luke. Yes, there are some places where the story can go some loose ends that the people may want to see tied. I think that the original trilogy will always be the best no matter how much George Lucas tries to mess with it.

[The Other Dude]

I am not going into this again (as I have mentioned it 500 times by now). There is no 7-9 storyline. It was used up in ROTJ.

Well, Vader and the emperor are dead, but... there may be a few pockets of resistance of the empire left. There's always room for a sequel...Of course it may have to be one of Lucas' children that do it. 60 isn't too old to direct movies, but 90 is.

[Efexeye]

I was under the impression that 7,8, and 9 were to be about Luke and Leia rebuilding the Jedi Order...seems like there isn't a whole lot iof material there- at elast not enough for 3 more movies. The Star Wars saga is about bringing balance to the Force, which Luke did when he turned his father from the dark side and killed the Palpatine, Sith Master. The threat from the Sith is over (remember, Yoda said there are always two Sith, no more, no less) and balance has been restored to the Force. I personally hope the saga is over, because it is going out on a high note.

[slizzelizzel]

Yeah, I do remember what Yoda said, there are ALWAYS two sith, no more, NO LESS! Just because the two particular sith that were in this movie are dead does not mean that there are no former jedis spread throughout the galaxy teaching themselves the way of the sith. In all of the books that I've read that follow the movies, there are tons of stories that could be turned into movies, they just wouldn't be well recieved by fans because there are few, if any, of the original charachters in them.

[Razorback]

I was under the impression that 7,8, and 9 were to be about Luke and Leia rebuilding the Jedi Order

Nope... I think what you are thinking about is 10-12. That was something that Lucas talked about doing in 1976, while shooting ANH. In fact, when he mapped out the entire story it was 12 episodes and NEVER 9. Mark Hamill ended up talking about the 12 episode idea and ever since people have believed that Lucas would do 7-9 based on what happens after ROTJ.

The people who constantly mention that Lucas said he would do 7-9 have never been able to find a single quote from the man actually stating this. Many of those people like to call him a liar too, based on what he says now, even though they can't actually prove that his words are lies... as opposed to their memory being shit.

Could Lucas do more, some day? Sure. However, I doubt that they would have anything to do with the Skywalker storyline. If he wanted to do something like that then it would have to start production before the actors from the OT die.

[BAMSS04]

There was some talk about doing 7-12 in the TV series. They should do it. I heard something about Lucas giving the rights to Episodes 7-12 to his son. So , if that is true George would not know if the films will be done. I don't know if that is true though. I would like to see episodes 7-12 made just because I would like someone other than Lucas to take the helm. He laid all the ground work but I want to see what kind of crazy shit his son could do with it. I'll bet his son is a chip off the old block.

[Razorback]

There was some talk about doing 7-12 in the TV series. They should do it. I heard something about Lucas giving the rights to Episodes 7-12 to his son.

Fan ramblings do not make something reality. The only "talk" is from fans. Lucas has said that there will be no 7-9 or 7-12.

[BAMSS04]

Well, I pretty much new it was wishful thinking. What are you going to do? Its a part of my life I don't want to end. I guess as it is with all good things, to an end, they must come. ;)

[Matt1]

Plus, what is their left to say? As Darth and Efexeye have pointed out, there are not any real questions left that need to be answered. ROTJ wrapped up the whole story pretty nicely.

[slizzelizzel]

Exaclty, there's nothing else in the story that we were given to extend on, it wouldn't work. It'd be sweet if they made TV shows based off of the novels that were written, though, the X-Wing series in particular. That'd be sweet!!

BTW, has anyone downloaded IMPS: The Relentless? (AKA TROOPS 2?)
It's really good, the cg is amazing(for a fanfilm.) Check it out here:

www.impstherelentless.com

[Razorback]

Someone wrote an interesting article about how the movies work in the eyes of those who have never seen the originals until now (yes, there are some who have not watched the OT until after seeing Revenge). They don't really care about Han, Leia, Luke, or Chewie. They care more about what happens to Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Vader.

The OT becomes a whole other thing for them. It is all about moving the story along so they can find out what happens to their fallen hero. I think that both points of view (that of Anakin and then Luke) come together in the last few minutes of Jedi and that is all we need.

For those capable of enjoying both sagas, there is really no need for more to the story. I think a TV series would be great fun as a side-note. However, as I have said before, if the Star Wars universe is to continue then I think KOTOR is the place to go, movie wise. It is set so long before the Skywalker story that we can let go of expectations and comparisons and just enjoy Jedi and Sith on a new level. Plus, there are tons of bounty hunters, Mandalorians, and Han Solo types for that era. We can get the best of all worlds.

Or we can watch a movie like Serenity that rips off pieces of Star Wars and sucks balls while doing it (the movie doesn't even have the TV shows Bonanza feel to it anymore as it aims to be a Star Wars killer, I suppose)... all the while being praised by people who trash Star Wars for being exactly what their shitty movie is, while their precious movie is on a scale a thousand times worse and ten thousand times more boring (with shittier effects). Someone kill Joss Whedon. End the madness. We need a WMD in Whedon's brain.

But I digress... ;)

[RobinHoodDaffy]

Your unrelenting fandom in one saga is strong, but I fear your lack of vision will be your undoing. I find your lack of diversity, disturbing.

[Razorback]

Your unrelenting fandom in one saga is strong, but I fear your lack of vision will be your undoing. I find your lack of diversity, disturbing.

Uh huh. :rolleyes:

[RobinHoodDaffy]

Yuh-huh!! :p

[BAMSS04]

For those capable of enjoying both sagas, there is really no need for more to the story. I think a TV series would be great fun as a side-note.


Well, as I said before, sure there is no need for another trilogy, I would still love it.

I think Ben Skywalker and Anakin Solo's story is a fun one though. From what I have read anyway.

I also think that KOTOR is prolly the best bet, though. We'll see what he does with it.

[Azraelle]

Well, I pretty much new it was wishful thinking. What are you going to do? Its a part of my life I don't want to end. I guess as it is with all good things, to an end, they must come. ;)


I felt this exact same way after reading Dark Tower 7 by Stephen King. For the record, I enjoyed the Star Wars movies that much more when I was able to view them from Vader's point of view. But then my fascination with the dark side (whether it be my on or someone else's) is a well-known fact among those familiar with me.

[Razorback]

But then my fascination with the dark side (whether it be my on or someone else's) is a well-known fact among those familiar with me.

The dark side is the pathway to many abilities some consider to be.... unnatural.

[Azraelle]

The dark side is the pathway to many abilities some consider to be.... unnatural.


I find that comment particularly funny coming from you. Especially since you've always made me feel like a natural woman.

[BAMSS04]

OK, am I missing something?

Or Rb, are you talking to yourself again.

[Azraelle]

OK, am I missing something?

I don't know you well enough to judge whether you are or not. Sorry.

[Razorback]

OK, am I missing something?

Or Rb, are you talking to yourself again.

Huh? It is obvious that I am responding to someone else.

[Razorback]

I find that comment particularly funny coming from you. Especially since you've always made me feel like a natural woman.

That is my purpose in life. ;)

[ratm1966]

I think you actually quoting Azraelle in your post is what confused him RB. I mean, if the quote wouldn't have been there, I probably would've still known you were responding to her.

Wait, that second part didn't make since.

[Azraelle]

That is my purpose in life. ;)


Silly me. I thought your purpose in life was to torment me and make me doubt myself. You, sir, have been gravely misunderstood.

[Razorback]

I think you actually quoting Azraelle in your post is what confused him RB.

How could that confuse him? I'm not getting it.

[Azraelle]

How could that confuse him? I'm not getting it.

You're consistently misunderstood, Razor, aren't you? I feel for you.

[ratm1966]

How could that confuse him? I'm not getting it.
I really do hope that you were just meeting my sarcasm with that of your own. If not, just say that you were and all will be okay.

[Razorback]

You're consistently misunderstood, Razor, aren't you? I feel for you.

Yes, poor widdle me.

[Azraelle]

I really do hope that you were just meeting my sarcasm with that of your own. If not, just say that you were and all will be okay.

Wow, dude. You're easy to please!

Yes, poor widdle me.

I could call you many things, but "widdle" is definitely not one of them!

[BAMSS04]

Its just odd thats all. I have never seen you talk to a newb like this. Its either cause you know her/him ( the Am I missing something), or you need to call up Foolscrow and the three of you should have lunch. :confused:


So, in a round about way, I way asking if you two knew each other.

[Razorback]

So, in a round about way, I way asking if you two knew each other.

Yes, we know each other. Next time just ask that.

[BAMSS04]

Next time?

What are you building an army?

[Razorback]

Next time?

What are you building an army?

Just trying to avoid silly insinuations in the future.

[Denyse]

Speaking of silly insinuations...Nice Sig over at View Askew. Where's my damn royalty check?

[Razorback]

Speaking of silly insinuations...Nice Sig over at View Askew. Where's my damn royalty check?

I don't see you in the sig. ;)

[Azraelle]

Its just odd thats all. I have never seen you talk to a newb like this. Its either cause you know her/him ( the Am I missing something), or you need to call up Foolscrow and the three of you should have lunch. :confused:


So, in a round about way, I way asking if you two knew each other.

He sometimes knows me better than I know myself. You have no idea how much I resent that.

It's SHE, btw. At least I was a she last time I looked.

Umm... who's Foolscrow? Do I even want to know?

And dude... the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. You might want to keep that in mind next time.

[Darth Jaundi]

Of course the Star Wars movies will continue, with or without George Lucas. Hollywood is a Whore for sequels. Look at how much ROTS is racking in ($156 mil in 4 days). You can't tell me I'm wrong, look at what happened to Star Trek after Roddenberry died. Hell ,look at what happens to ALOT of properties after time passes. King Kong is being remade, you can quarantee someone is frantically searching for the rights to The Hobbit, Star Wars is not an exception. In it's sixth movie it's cashing in big time. No other movie franchise can boast this. None. Look for Episode 7-9 in about 20 years. Whoever inherits Daddy Lucas' money maker expect someone to exploit it. You can count on it. Theres' gold to mined, plain and simple.

Episode 7 - 9 Luke , now a wise Jedi master (A new actor of course) has rebuilt the Jedi order under the spiritual eye of Yoda, Obi wan and Anakin. But it is threatened by a dark (phantom menace) presence, the empire strikes back. The Empire was fond of using clones, cloning a new emperor to regain power to the shattered empire. This new Sith Lord targets a new apprentice (insert Darth maul, grievous, Dooku-like pawns throughout) Han and Leia son,Anakin Solo is young and full of the living force. Now it is up to Luke to prevent the cycle from repeating itself by training Anakin and confronting this new threat. Let the cash flow in....

[slizzelizzel]

That's not really what happens at all, though. If you read the Jedi Academy series, there are tons of new Jedi, but still, they are in no way in the same position they were in the Old Republic. Luke sets up the new Jedi academy on Yavin IV, and searches the galaxy himself to find individulas that may be powerful in the force, the New Republic has nothing to do with them, they are a group all on their own, practicing the Jedi way in order to keep the knowledge of the Force in the galaxy. There are tons of stories that can be told, but if they were to make a new Star Wars movie, it would have to be a stand-alone, and not carry an Episode number, because the story of Anakin is over, which is the main overlying (and underlying) story of this Sextilogy.

[Darth Jaundi]

Yeah, I read all the Timothy Zahn (very good) and Kevin J. Anderson novels (very bad) but that doesn't matter at all. It was just an example of a slapped together idea that some hack writer WILL do in the future. Hell, if Lucas himself can't follow his own story, you think some writer 20 years from now is going to care about the novels? It just won't be mentioned and remain apart of the "expanded universe". Why wouldn't you call it episode 7? They went out of their way to call the prequels 1 to 3. Why not bash it over a new generations heads "HEY! This happens AFTER episode 6, AFTER!" They'll call it episode 7 just cause they can and be apart of the Star Wars Saga...Buy your Nine episode box set today! It's all about the money, it's a business, and Star Wars makes money.

[slizzelizzel]

Very true. If that happens, I'll become your apprentice and we can hunt the bastards down together, one by one, until all are dead.

[Darth Jaundi]

No need, Hopefully I'll be long dead and buried before that ever happens. I don't know If I could handle anymore pissing on my childhood. This new Star Wars TV show has me very worried. Just reminds me of those live action made for TV Ewok movies. *shudders* Star Wars in 3D, hope Lucas can slip in some new scenes with Jar Jar. Because he was in the original script you know,it only seems fair to complete his vision, over and over again.*

*joking, so don't get all mad.

[slizzelizzel]

I don't know, from what I've read of him talking about the TV show, is that he would remain Executive Producer, which he does a really, really good job of, and leave the directing to other people. I see the TV series as damage control for the Prequels, making everything that people were upset about seem okay in the end.

But come on now, as annoying as Jar Jar was, he was vital to the storyline that we were presented with. If it weren't for him in Episode 2 being coerced into calling for more temporary powers to be given to Palpatine, the things that happen wouldn't have worked. Then again, to think that Padme was stupid enough to allow JarJar to be her replacement for Naboo's senate seat is just ridiculus...

[Darth Jaundi]

I find it funny that all this talk of Democracy and Jar Jar has power in the Senate? I'm pretty sure nobody voted for him. And if your political structure allows replacements then why does anyone vote in the first place? It was just a silly plot device used by Lucas to say " hey, look Jat Jar is of use afterall, you see it wasn't a mistake afterall" The truth is? If it wasn't for all the fans who vocally protested Jar Jar then I'm scared to see what a role he would of really played in 2 and 3. Scarey stuff. You know what? Looking back after seeing Ep 3, I don't mind that a new character was completely annoying. At least it wasn't a character that I grew up loving acting like a jackass, unlike Ep 3. I'll never look at the Emperor and Vader the same way again.

[Razorback]

I find it funny that all this talk of Democracy and Jar Jar has power in the Senate? I'm pretty sure nobody voted for him.

Wrong. He was a representative, which means he was voted in. Study up on it before.... oh who are we kidding? You are just going to find any way possible to complain.

And if your political structure allows replacements then why does anyone vote in the first place?

So now you are going to apply real world politics to that of a fantasy world? One which you do not understand or about which you have made little to no effort to collect all the facts (as it exists within its fiction)?

It was just a silly plot device used by Lucas to say " hey, look Jat Jar is of use afterall, you see it wasn't a mistake afterall"

Or, one could say that this babbling is just a whine device used to bash Lucas, yet again.

The truth is?

Where did you learn this type of grammar?

If it wasn't for all the fans who vocally protested Jar Jar then I'm scared to see what a role he would of really played in 2 and 3.

Hopefully he can go back and fix that by giving him more to do.

Scarey stuff.

How is it scary? I gather, from your bullshit, that you are a PT-hating, Lucas bashing fucktard. So would it have mattered? You would have bashed him no matter what.

You know what? Looking back after seeing Ep 3, I don't mind that a new character was completely annoying. At least it wasn't a character that I grew up loving acting like a jackass, unlike Ep 3. I'll never look at the Emperor and Vader the same way again.

Oh, I have no doubt that you would have found some way to hate this movie. You made an effort to dislike it because you have invested too much time shitting on Lucas over the years that you can't do anything but force yourself to support your negativity with more of it.

[Darth Jaundi]

That or maybe, ah I don't know, It sucked?
That might have something to do with it.

[Razorback]

That or maybe, ah I don't know, It sucked?
That might have something to do with it.

I thought it ruled, hardcore. So did my friends who hated the last two. So did a few critics who slammed the last two. In fact, so did around 83% of critics around the world and the movie even has a positive buzz on the usually uber-prequel-negative IMDB.

So, as with the last two, you are in the minority. Except this time, you are deep in the minority. So, you continue on with your imbecilic absolutism, pretending as if what you think is correct, and I will continue to enjoy Episode 3, along with most people.

However, you can continue to talk about a movie you hate, along with a set of movies you hate... made by a man you shit on. If I hated the last two movies in a series I would not go see the third. If I hated the third (after being a moron and going to see it) I would never want to talk about it again. Funny how you will probably run around for the next ten years talking about this movie and how it raped your adulthood.

I will be happy to talk about it... and you will be miserable. I somehow get the feeling that I am winning here. ;)

[Darth Jaundi]

The fact that a message board fight is worthwhile winning to you shows what kind of sick demented fool you really are. You're defeating yourself, Every sentence you write contradicts your point. It's quite amusing, please, continue.

[Razorback]

The fact that a message board fight is worthwhile winning to you shows what kind of sick demented fool you really are. You're defeating yourself, Every sentence you write contradicts your point. It's quite amusing, please, continue.

This doesn't even make sense. Do you just type words in the hope that no one reads what you have to say? The above quote is just empty words. They mean nothing and reflect on nothing that was said. You are now hoping that I stop responding to you before you run out of your allotted use of the word "demented."

[Darth Jaundi]

Would you rather be called crazy? Alright you crazy bastard, I'm going to honest with you. You're not funny, entertaining or from what I seen ,smart.You're hack, you're insults are weak, and you haven't stated anything of worth. In my opinion ROTS sucked, you're an idiot and you proved it time after time by (in your own words) stating opinion as fact. You're committing the very thing that you are condeming. You're an idiot if you can't see that.

[BAMSS04]

The fact that a message board fight is worthwhile winning to you shows what kind of sick demented fool you really are. You're defeating yourself, Every sentence you write contradicts your point. It's quite amusing, please, continue.

Man, did you ever miss the point.

[Efexeye]

Man, did you ever miss the point.

I agree with BAMSS04.

[Dave]

totally off-topic, but what the hell is going on here today, itseems like every thread i click on has some arguement with some moron noob in it. is it a full moon tonight?

[Azraelle]

Okay, okay. I promise I'll stop.

[Razorback]

Would you rather be called crazy? Alright you crazy bastard, I'm going to honest with you. You're not funny, entertaining or from what I seen ,smart.You're hack, you're insults are weak, and you haven't stated anything of worth. In my opinion ROTS sucked, you're an idiot and you proved it time after time by (in your own words) stating opinion as fact. You're committing the very thing that you are condeming. You're an idiot if you can't see that.

It sounds like you have one type of insult for everything... whether it be Lucas' movies or how someone argues with you about them. Nothing you have said has made any sense. Well, except that your opinion is yours.

You may actually be one of the slowest minds I have ever argued with on this board. I am not sure as I have not kept score.... but you are up there on the list, that is for sure. You just keep saying the same thing over and over. It is as if you believe that if you restate the same negative thing enough times that someone else will agree with you.

Like you do with the prequels.

[Darth Jaundi]

Unbelievable, your only defence is to proclaim your brilliance and all others that disagree are beheath your wisdom. Give your head a shake and snap the fuck out of it. Finish off that batch of deep fried Oreos and continue playing "stink finger".

[Dave]

this dude is officially on my ignore list.

[psychofiend]

Unbelievable, your only defence is to proclaim your brilliance and all others that disagree are beheath your wisdom. Give your head a shake and snap the fuck out of it. Finish off that batch of deep fried Oreos and continue playing "stink finger".
STINK FINGER? What is this STINK FINGER you speak of? Is this some sort of new game that I never heard of? You invented this didn't you Jaundice? Why do you call yourself Darth Jaundice? Do you have Jaundice from eating poop?*

*That last sentence was very silly and the writer of this post aka Psychofiend, would like to apologize for the silliness. This whole post was silly though was a thought that just hit the author's head. I would like to apologize for this whole post. But I would also like to know where did you damned kids come up with this stink finger game and what is it? Yes, I know that was a silly question. I'm in a silly mood. And before you jump to conclusions about my silliness, I assure you i am sober. I am just being silly, which i apologize for.

[Razorback]

Finish off that batch of deep fried Oreos

Does that taste good? I need to try that.

[cberquist]

I had a deep fried Twinkie and a deep fried Snickers bar at the fair last year (half of each actually). No word yet on whether or not deep fried butter is on the way next year.

[Darth Jaundi]

Does that taste good? I need to try that.

Try them for yourself

http://fairy.mahdzan.com/story/189.asp

And in response to queries about "stink finger" .you never grew up playing stink finger? Ahhh, I can still remember my first game.

[Razorback]

Try them for yourself

http://fairy.mahdzan.com/story/189.asp

Hah! I have to make those! Maybe my mommy can bring them down to the basement for me after she does my laundry.

[psychofiend]

Hah! I have to make those! Maybe my mommy can bring them down to the basement for me after she does my laundry.
It's quite obviously a snack for those who smoke a lot of Marijuana, you may be able to get it from the ice cream man. Less work for you, you silly stoner.
http://hometown.aol.com/sillysongbook/images/chch%20nice%20dreams%20jam~2.jpg