View Full Version : Now that you've seen Episode 3...
Efexeye
05-20-2005, 01:56 AM
Say, sometime in the not-too distant future, you were to declare "Star Wars Weekend", and sit down with friends to watch all 6 movies. Do you watch them in chronological order, or in order of theatrical release?
Discuss...
EDIT: I can't figure out how to edit a poll, so, the word "ince" means "once".
I already watched Ep IV when I got home this afternoon from my second viewing of Ep III. It's amazing how the loose ends were tied up. I also noticed that Ben has a patch sewn into the shoulder of his tunic in Ep IV where he burned a hole in it in Ep IV.
Efexeye
05-20-2005, 02:24 AM
I already watched Ep IV when I got home this afternoon from my second viewing of Ep III. It's amazing how the loose ends were tied up. I also noticed that Ben has a patch sewn into the shoulder of his tunic in Ep IV where he burned a hole in it in Ep IV.
I, too, am itching to watch Episode IV again- gonna have to wait until tomorrow, though.
actualsize
05-20-2005, 02:37 AM
In episodic order, I guess.
But then the fact that this fantastic series will be ended by Ewoks saving the galaxy, will be that much harder to take. I am not a fan of VI. Can you tell?
Can I change my vote? I think I want this kick-ass movie to be the finale. George had it right.
Razorback
05-20-2005, 02:59 AM
I watched Episode IV today... and it sucks when compared with III. How did I ever like that crap?!?!?! ;)
actualsize
05-20-2005, 03:02 AM
I watched Episode IV today... and it sucks when compared with III. How did I ever like that crap?!?!?! ;)
You were young and impressionable - and it sure beat the shit out of playing with Legos.
I still like IV, and I'm going to watch it tomorrow to see how it ties in. It would be interesting if all of the movies had been PG-13 though.
Razorback
05-20-2005, 03:21 AM
I kind of kid... I was losing my taste for IV a long time ago. However, I still love most of it. My opinions about these movies change year to year. For a while I thought ANH was the best. Then ROTJ. Then ESB. Then AOTC. Then Empire. Now, I don't know... I am not ranking ROTS for a while so I am actually mostly in love with TPM. That would be the first time it has been number one on my list.
I think it may be because it is the more light hearted of the movies (other than ANH) and so it is a fun little watch after ROTS.
actualsize
05-20-2005, 03:33 AM
One of the reasons why I like IV is that it's a complete story by itself. And it was the movie that hooked me in the first place - first love, so to speak. If Icould only ever own or watch one DVD of the entire series - IV would be the one.
Empire needs IV for the set-up, and to get to know the characters, and it's obviously a big cliff-hanger, so you need ROTJ. And TPM is obviously only the beginning of a larger story. But when we all saw Star Wars back in 77, we had no idea that there might be any more. Oh sure, Vader didn't die - the door was open. But when they made it, they probably didn't know if there was even going to be a sequel - until it made huge bank, that is.
Azraelle
05-20-2005, 04:20 AM
So Debbie and I are gonna do this on Sunday: We're gonna get together for breakfast and watch Phantom Menace and Clones. Then, we will go to the movies and watch Sith (I mean, we went today, but with my kids so it's not the same). Then we will go home and watch A New Hope, Empire and Jedi. A GREAT way to spend a Sunday!
ratm1966
05-20-2005, 10:05 AM
But when we all saw Star Wars back in 77, we had no idea that there might be any more. Oh sure, Vader didn't die - the door was open. But when they made it, they probably didn't know if there was even going to be a sequel - until it made huge bank, that is.
Actually, before Lucas made ANH he just had one long story and decided it would be best to break it down into thirds. He then obtained a signed agreement giving him the right to make the second two movies; ESB and ROTJ. He was a shrewed man, instead of going for a lot of money with ANH, he opted for the rights to all of the secondary stuff (i.e. product sales, etc.)
Yeah, I watched an interview with him on Wednesday since I couldn't go see the movie.
actualsize
05-20-2005, 01:51 PM
Actually, before Lucas made ANH he just had one long story and decided it would be best to break it down into thirds. He then obtained a signed agreement giving him the right to make the second two movies; ESB and ROTJ. He was a shrewed man, instead of going for a lot of money with ANH, he opted for the rights to all of the secondary stuff (i.e. product sales, etc.)
No arguement there. We all know Lucas had all of this in his head - all mapped out. But did he really convince the studio to fund all three before the first one was even made? That would have been risky, since most space/Sci-Fi movies that preceeded it were not too successful.
I didn't remember him describing it that way in earlier interviews, 20-odd yrs ago. I thought it went more like this - OK, we'll give you $$ for the first, you get the secondary marketing rights, and if it makes money, we're in for the other two. I'd wager that the signed agreement had escape clauses in case Star Wars bombed.
So, my point is, since none of us knew what Star Wars were, he had to write Star Wars (ANH) as a complete enough movie that we'd leave the theater satisfied, but wanting more. I'd have thought that if he'd written too much of a cliff-hanger there, he might have lost us at the gate. So, ANH, even though part of a series, also works as a stand-alone film, unlike the others. So if I were introducing someone new to the series, like my daughters, I'd go with IV, V, VI, I, II, III
FanGirl
05-20-2005, 02:04 PM
I will only be watching the original three and I mean the originals not the re-releases. I have had no interest in watching the prequels more than once aside from the edits and even the edits, I can't watch repeatedly.
darkabove
05-20-2005, 02:14 PM
Okay, I have watched all six in order now. I watched Ep.1 and 2 on wednesday, went and saw 3 at midnight, came home and slept, then watched 4,5,and 6. I have to just come straight out and say it. It all changed for me. I always looked at 4,5,6 as Luke's story. But now it all seems bigger than that. You really get the sense of the whole galaxy being under threat now.
You see how there is a bit of Anakin in Vader throughout the whole thing. And as great of a bad guy Vader was, he just seems more downright evil than ever. His actions in 4 and 5 are just completely fueled by pain and and while the completeness of his evil is more evident, his good side still sit in there all cozy, waiting to come out.
Go back and see them in chronological order, trust me. The whole thing has a different feel now. More urgent. More powerful. And the more filled out. You can see the story from all angles now. It is a lot better now.
Threadkiller
05-20-2005, 02:50 PM
ideally, I'd say watch them in this order: IV, V, VI, I, II, III, IV, V, VI
Razorback
05-20-2005, 05:29 PM
I will only be watching the original three and I mean the originals not the re-releases. I have had no interest in watching the prequels more than once aside from the edits and even the edits, I can't watch repeatedly.
Here is a tissue. ;)
cberquist
05-20-2005, 05:40 PM
I saw 5 before I saw 4.
A girl I worked with has never seen a single movie before, but is going to see 3 with friends.
But, I would think it would be best to go 1-6.
FanGirl
05-20-2005, 05:42 PM
*takes tissue, blows nose and hands back to RB* Thanks. How could you tell me nose was stuffed up?
Razorback
05-20-2005, 05:58 PM
*takes tissue, blows nose and hands back to RB* Thanks. How could you tell me nose was stuffed up?
I have a Force bond with you... and I am all about your needs.
FanGirl
05-20-2005, 06:19 PM
If only I had a Wookie with a life debt to rip your arms off for creepifying comments like that and your title.
Razorback
05-20-2005, 06:27 PM
If only I had a Wookie with a life debt to rip your arms off for creepifying comments like that and your title.
I have a big poster of you on the ceiling of my bedroom.
Denyse
05-20-2005, 06:29 PM
OK...Now I'm creeped out...
Razorback
05-20-2005, 06:32 PM
OK...Now I'm creeped out...
Get a restraining order, fast!
Efexeye
05-20-2005, 07:28 PM
Girls, don't you understand that this is RB's way of complimenting Fanny on her ravishing new physique?
FanGirl
05-20-2005, 07:33 PM
Don't make me go eat junk food.
Efexeye
05-20-2005, 07:37 PM
Don't make me go eat junk food.
ROFLMFAO- Thanks for that.
Razorback
05-20-2005, 07:40 PM
Girls, don't you understand that this is RB's way of complimenting Fanny on her ravishing new physique?
No, really... I think you are all missing it like Michael Bay missed it when he made Pearl Harbor. ;)
Denyse
05-20-2005, 07:41 PM
I LIKED Pearl Harbor...
Razorback
05-20-2005, 07:44 PM
I LIKED Pearl Harbor...
I am sure some people did as well. However, I think where Bay missed it was in making one of the nations most tragic events into an action movie.
DarthMaulRat
05-20-2005, 10:47 PM
I think he missed the point when he used the entire attack on Pearl Harbor for an explanation as to why Kate got knocked up. There's a difference between a romance side story and smearing lipstick on the screen. Of course, Windtalkers was just as guilty of being an action movie.
...wait, why am I arguing about this? Oh, I've been sitting around all day doing nothing.
Denyse
05-21-2005, 08:16 PM
I think you are all missing it like Michael Bay missed it when he made Pearl Harbor. ;)
OK, I'm an idiot...That line went completely over my head. I get it now and apologize for stepping all over the brilliant reference...
BAMSS04
05-21-2005, 08:27 PM
Thats weird I have a big poster of a wookie on the ceiling of my bedroom.
BAMSS04
05-21-2005, 08:33 PM
Oh, and also:
*Clears throat"
" I miss you more than that movie missed the point and that's a lot girl. And now, now you've gone away and all I'm trying to say is Pearl Harbor sucked and I miss you.
I need you like Ben Affleck needs acting school. He was terrible in that film.I need you more than Cuba Gooding needed a bigger part. He's way better than Ben Affleck and now, all I'm trying to say is Pearl Harbor sucked and I miss you.
Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies. I guess Pearl Harbor sucked just a little bit more than I miss you."
BAMSS04
05-21-2005, 08:37 PM
They liked this one so much they used it in two episodes as well as the movie.
The hours approaching, just give it your best
You got to reach your prime.
That’s when you need to put yourself to the test,
And show us a passage of time,
Were going to need a montage (montage)
Oh it takes a montage (montage)
Sure a lot of things happing at once,
With mind, everyone what’s going on (what’s going on?)
And when every shot you show a little improvement
Just Show it or it will take to long
that’s called a montage (montage)
Oh we want montage (montage)
And anything that we want to know, from just a beginner to a pro,
You want a montage (montage)
even rocky had a montage (montage)
(Montage…montage)
Anything that we want to know, from just a beginner to a pro,
You need a montage (montage)
Oh it takes a montage (montage)
Always fade out in a montage,
If you fade out, it seem like more time
Has passed in a montage,
Montage
actualsize
05-21-2005, 10:24 PM
Someone else has been watching a new DVD. Fuck-yeah!
Tracker
05-22-2005, 02:11 PM
I thought Episode 3 was really good it made more sence to the Original 3 with Mark Hamel like why C3PO Couldent rember any thing in the 4th movie a new hope when C3PO and R2D2 were on Tatooen
BAMSS04
05-22-2005, 04:35 PM
I thought Episode 3 was really good it made more sence to the Original 3 with Mark Hamel like why C3PO Couldent rember any thing in the 4th movie a new hope when C3PO and R2D2 were on Tatooen
*Bam Slaps Tracker with a big fish*
Razorback
05-22-2005, 06:14 PM
The originals do kind of suck. Empire is great but the other two... no Jar-Jar, Jedi Order, or realistic love story. There are just these rebels running around killing clone troopers who can't seem to hit anything. Then we see Obi-Wan and Vader "meet again at last" (who writes this crap anyway?) and it looks like two younglings practicing.
Thank God for Episodes 1-3 or this saga would only have one good movie. ;)
ratm1966
05-22-2005, 06:28 PM
The originals do kind of suck. Empire is great but the other two... no Jar-Jar, Jedi Order, or realistic love story. There are just these rebels running around killing clone troopers who can't seem to hit anything. Then we see Obi-Wan and Vader "meet again at last" (who writes this crap anyway?) and it looks like two younglings practicing.
Thank God for Episodes 1-3 or this saga would only have one good movie. ;)
But what about that incestuous love affair between Luke and Leiah? I mean she sucked face with him at least once and then in ROJ when Luke told her he was her brother, she told him she knew all along.....I mean eeeewwwwww.
Azraelle
05-22-2005, 06:43 PM
But what about that incestuous love affair between Luke and Leiah? I mean she sucked face with him at least once and then in ROJ when Luke told her he was her brother, she told him she knew all along.....I mean eeeewwwwww.
So, basically, what you're saying is that the twins from Eurotrip are NOT the worst twins in history.
ratm1966
05-22-2005, 06:46 PM
So, basically, what you're saying is that the twins from Eurotrip are NOT the worst twins in history.
Basically....yes. I mean sure they knew they were brother and sister, but they were under the influence of some nasty shit. Leiah admitted to knowing Luke was her brother.
Omaru
05-22-2005, 06:48 PM
maybe it she only knew once her tongue had searched his mouthhole, from then on she knew it to be true, but man! what a kisser.
ratm1966
05-22-2005, 06:54 PM
maybe it she only knew once her tongue had searched his mouthhole, from then on she knew it to be true, but man! what a kisser.
Are you implying that the force is strong within her tongue?
Omaru
05-22-2005, 07:16 PM
Well I know this guy that went out with her and him and her got-it-on!
http://www.briansbar.com/Jabba.jpg
Darth Jaundi
05-24-2005, 08:27 AM
ideally, I'd say watch them in this order: IV, V, VI, I, II, III, IV, V, VI
That is kinda how I DID watch the series. the originals growning up. The prequels since 1999 and the after Ep 3, I sat down to the special editions and remembered what I fell in love with in the first place.
order: IV,V,VI,I,II,III,IV:SE,V:SE,VI:SE
Thankfully I still have the originals on VHS
They weren't kidding when they said it was the last chance to buy.
psychofiend
05-24-2005, 07:44 PM
That is kinda how I DID watch the series. the originals growning up. The prequels since 1999 and the after Ep 3, I sat down to the special editions and remembered what I fell in love with in the first place.
order: IV,V,VI,I,II,III,IV:SE,V:SE,VI:SE
Thankfully I still have the originals on VHS
They weren't kidding when they said it was the last chance to buy.
Looking at your list I just realized that I own 2 different versions of IV, V and VI. I have the original trilogy with interviews with George Lucas in the beginning of each, and I have the Special Edition on DVD. The DVD changes the look of Anakin in the end of Return of the Jedi to be the guy who played Anakin in Episode III. I think the original Anakin (ghost) used was better in the end of Return of the Jedi.
xandydawatcher
05-25-2005, 05:43 AM
How could u watch them in the theatrical release order now?
INSANE
slizzelizzel
05-25-2005, 05:45 AM
Yeah, it wouldn't make all that much sense story-wise, but hey, to each his own...or her own...or...it's own. You never know what kind of people are out there...
Threadkiller
05-25-2005, 12:38 PM
Yeah, it wouldn't make all that much sense story-wise,.I think it makes a ton of sense. Think about the moments when you first realized that Darth was Luke's father in Empire. Or that Leia was Luke's sister in Jedi. I know they don't pack the surprise for you that they originally did, but I think anyone watching for the first time would want those big shocks.
Telling a story out of order for better effect works very well in lots of cases, Pulp Fiction and Memento are good examples. I would argue the Star Wars series works well this way too.
slizzelizzel
05-25-2005, 04:52 PM
Never thought of it that way, TK, good observation! I guess if I was watching with a friend that hadn't seen it, we'd watch the OT first, then the NT, but when it comes to my saturday morning marathon, I'll take it in sequential order, thank you.
Jason_Brown
05-25-2005, 05:27 PM
I think it makes a ton of sense. Think about the moments when you first realized that Darth was Luke's father in Empire. Or that Leia was Luke's sister in Jedi. I know they don't pack the surprise for you that they originally did, but I think anyone watching for the first time would want those big shocks.
Yup. "I am your Father" was a pretty damn big surprise back in 1980.
psychofiend
05-25-2005, 09:45 PM
Yup. "I am your Father" was a pretty damn big surprise back in 1980.
When i first saw Empire at the age of 9 or 10 it was a big shock for me. My mom rented the A New Hope and Empire, and I heard "I am your father" and was totally floored. I think that it is one of those things that always has an effect. Because it makes you wonder how a boy like Luke can be the son of a machine like Vader. I wanted to see Return of the Jedi so bad after that, but never saw it until a year after i saw the 1st 2.
Razorback
05-26-2005, 04:21 PM
I have not been much of a Return of the Jedi fan (at least since I grew up enough to find it lacking) but when I watched it the other night I found myself affected by the storyline of Luke and Leia and how they just don't know... and yet how Luke has such faith that he can turn Vader back. After watching Episode 3 I think that Jedi is the movie that works best for me because of it.
JamesW
05-26-2005, 04:28 PM
I have not been much of a Return of the Jedi fan (at least since I grew up enough to find it lacking)
What do you find that it lacks over all of the rest?
Razorback
05-26-2005, 04:48 PM
What do you find that it lacks over all of the rest?
The second Death Star is one of my main problems. However, as I said, now that I have seen Episode 3 the Skywalker end story has even greater meaning for me (though, it was always the thing holding the movie together).
Don't get me wrong, I have always loved them all... just Jedi a bit less. Poor Han. I guess being frozen made him lose his personality.
JamesW
05-26-2005, 04:58 PM
I always thought the sarlacc pit scene was one of the great moments in all the movies. The prequels I think make that scene even more powerful. It's the first time in 3 movies that we see a fully trained (close enough) Jedi in his prime in action.
TomHarrington
05-26-2005, 05:14 PM
Poor Han. I guess being frozen made him lose his personality.
That's it! I got an idea for the next movie!
http://img169.echo.cx/img169/8363/han9jt.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
Razorback
05-26-2005, 05:15 PM
I always thought the sarlacc pit scene was one of the great moments in all the movies.
It is very exciting, except for Luke swinging his lightsaber like... *blink*
*blink*
And missing every person he swings at even though they all go down. :confused:
The prequels I think make that scene even more powerful. It's the first time in 3 movies that we see a fully trained (close enough) Jedi in his prime in action.
Unfortunately, he knew how to swing that saber better when he was a padawan learner. ;) Empire's saber duel is still my favorite.
Saber duel wise, I would go with Empire, Menace, Revenge (Obi vs. Ani), and then the rest until we end with Vader vs Obi-Wan in ANH.
JamesW
05-26-2005, 05:21 PM
I'm referring more to the story than the actual stuntwork in the movies. I even like the rematch between Obi-wan and vader, even though it is somewhat awful. :)
TomHarrington
05-26-2005, 05:35 PM
It is very exciting, except for Luke swinging his lightsaber like... *blink*
*blink*
And missing every person he swings at even though they all go down. :confused:
He used the force, man. It's like Vader choking people from across the room...or something.
Razorback
05-26-2005, 05:37 PM
I'm referring more to the story than the actual stuntwork in the movies. I even like the rematch between Obi-wan and vader, even though it is somewhat awful. :)
No need to defend the movies with me... I am all about the story over the action. I love Star Wars because the faults are insignificant next to the power of the story. That is why Jedi ends up last on my list, because they just reused the Death Star plot device. At least make it the Death Cube. ;)
Though, Sith made Jedi much more enjoyable for me because the last hour, or so, of Sith reflects upon the last hour of Jedi so well.
Poopy
05-28-2005, 07:12 AM
Ummm, not to be a dick, but how does any of this have to do with what order you're going to watch the movies from now on?
Me? III,IV,V,VI I'm just going to skip past the first two.
slizzelizzel
05-28-2005, 12:44 PM
I thought you hated Sith. Strange that you would change your mind.
Also, I hate you.
psychofiend
05-28-2005, 05:12 PM
not to be a dick
A friendly pointer (no pun intended)... You ARE a dick. That's why you got banned before, silly! :rolleyes:
Razorback
05-28-2005, 06:42 PM
I thought you hated Sith. Strange that you would change your mind.
Yeah, he changes his mind all the time. Just look at his postings under his other names. He has no idea what he likes or dislikes.
Hellubah
05-29-2005, 06:51 AM
Maybe he has split personalities?
It has been known to happen.
I'm not going to watch any of the other movies again until I've seen this one at least 5 more times. But i'll watch them in theatrical release when they all come out on home video/DVD. Until then I'll settle for the Big Huge kick ass movie screen for my SW fix.
Obi Wan "Attack those Federation starships, quickly!"
Closetrooper "Umm, Capt Kirk?"
Hellubah
05-30-2005, 11:30 AM
I was wondering while watching Attack of the Clones just an hour ago. Why didn't Lucas hire Lawrence Kasdan to co-write the prequels with him? For you die hard Star Wars fans out there, Do you know any rumours that he tried and Kasdan was unavailable or that the two had a falling out since Jedi? Or is this just one mystery for the ages. I loved the prequels( alittle too much) but I can't help wonder how they would of turned out if the dialogue was a little more punched up. Still a great movie series, most franchises run out of steam way before they hit six installments.
FanGirl
05-30-2005, 11:37 AM
As I am sure Razorback will correct me if I am wrong, he did approach Kasdan and Kasdan turned him down because Lucas had already started shooting "Phantom Menace" before he asked him.
Hellubah
05-30-2005, 11:45 AM
As I am sure Razorback will correct me if I am wrong, he did approach Kasdan and Kasdan turned him down because Lucas had already started shooting "Phantom Menace" before he asked him.
That's a shame. Why didn't he ask him sooner. Maybe Lucas thought he had a stronger script than he actually did. Then when it came to translating onto the screen he noticed that it was missing something. Oh well, the show must go on.
I like playing what if...totally pointless but entertaining. The six movies together works as a whole, that's all I ever really wanted to begin with. Thanks for your imput.
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