Lost - Place Your Bets

[FanGirl]

So the creator released that one of the current main characters is going to die by the end of the season. Place your bets and give your reasons.

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So who do you think it will be?
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<input type="radio" name="option" value="2" />Claire
<input type="radio" name="option" value="3" />Jack
<input type="radio" name="option" value="4" />Hurley
<input type="radio" name="option" value="5" />Shannon
<input type="radio" name="option" value="6" />Sawyier
<input type="radio" name="option" value="7" />Walt
<input type="radio" name="option" value="8" />Jin
<input type="radio" name="option" value="9" />Sun
<input type="radio" name="option" value="10" />Kate
<input type="radio" name="option" value="11" />Charlie
<input type="radio" name="option" value="12" />Locke
<input type="radio" name="option" value="13" />Michael
<input type="radio" name="option" value="14" />Boone
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[Dave]

I'm going with Charlie. After last nights episode, i have a bad feeling about him. I can't quite pin point it, but it's there. Something just doesn't sit right.

[FanGirl]

My money is on Boone. We know why he was in Australia. We know his big secret and he's resolved it. He seems the most likely candidate.

[karmattack]

Same choice, same reason.

[DangerSeeker]

Jack isn't going to make it. He was set up as the initial leader, but now Hurley has a grasp on operation, Sawyer knows who's who better than anyone suspects, Locke has the survival know-how, Sun has medicinal knowledge, so Jack serves little purpose. Of course, picking the most likely character is probably the wrong way to think with a show like this. They probably drew a name out of a hat.

[Matt1]

I honestly haven't the slightest clue. Which is why I love the show.

[Jason_Brown]

Hey! Put a spoiler warning in the header next time!

[TLS]

I choose Jinn. No reason, I don't even watch the show. I just wanted to guess. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

[EternalStrife]

I choose the dog. What was his name? Victor? Vincent? I'm quite sure it begins with a V.

[FanGirl]

Sorry, didn't think it needed a spoiler alert. Every newscast and article in the papers have been proclaiming that this will happen by the end of the season. I didn't think it was a real secret.

[Jason_Brown]

No biggie. I've been purposefully avoiding any articles or newscasts about the show. That's probably the only reason I didn't know.

I really loved the "World's Worst Copier Demonstration" this week. I was a little sad to see Ethan go. He made a great villain.

[FanGirl]

The news was impossible to ignore here. They were running the tease for the news saying someone was going to die during the show. Every commerical break it ran.

[Threadkiller]

Originally I voted for Locke because he knows too much. Now that I think about it, it almost has to be one of the Korean/Japanese couple because otherwise neither of them really has a chance of being a bigger part of the show. And how long can they be immersed in the langage and pretend neither of them speak any of it?

[Dave]

Ah, but that is where some future conflict will come in. I think they are safe. For now, anyway. You guys may be right about Boone. But are you sure that the teaser you saw (Warning Slight Spoiler) wasn't just for Scott/Steve in this last weeks episode?

[FanGirl]

Nope. They were interview the cast and JJ himself said that it's unrealistic to have all 15 main characters live.

[ozchick]

Well I've watched 14 episodes now (8 of those in the past 2 days!) and I'm completely hooked! So is the kid making those polar bears appear or what? Is Claire preggers with Satan?

As to who's going to die... my vote is with Sun's hubbie, purely coz I don't like him.

[DangerSeeker]

Somebody has a diary (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary1.html)
Written by the show creators.

[FanGirl]

Sally Forth comic (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/comics/king.htm?name=Sally_Forth&amp;date=20050214)

[DangerSeeker]

Excellent!

On the diary, I scratched off everyone named by name and narrowed down who is writing it, which becomes fairly clear anyway. Very interesting little seeds are dropped along the way.

[Dave]

Dammit! Stupid Work is keeping me from reading that diary! Arggh!

[FanGirl]

So did anyone else notice that Hurley was on the TV when Sun went to the guys house the first time? The little girl was watching it. It was a quick shot of him waving and getting into a car. So what does that mean?

[Dave]

I think we'll probably find out next week as it's Hurleys show, i think.

[Threadkiller]

Yeah, I had to pause and watch it again to make sure it was him. I love how they put that kind of stuff in. Just one of the reasons Lost is one of the best shows on right now.

[Dave]

Well, did everyone watch Lost last night? I hope none of you people are going to use Hurleys numbers on the lotto (but i'll be a bunch of people do!) So Hurley owns a box company, huh. Didn't Locke work at a box company?

[FanGirl]

Nice catch. I forgot about that. Last night was great. I also loved that the mega number was 42. Nice Douglas Adams reference.

[DangerSeeker]

How did Locke know Claire's birthday?
Why do they call him Hurley?
Was he institutionalized or an employee?
Is that why he reacted to Charlie calling him crazy?
Why was he on the news in Hong Kong a week before the flight?

[Dave]

i don't know, was it because of the shoe company he is invested in?

[FanGirl]

Holy Mother, did you see tonight's episode? It was awesome. Can't wait to see next week's. This is one of the best shows on tv.

[Threadkiller]

I don't want to wait a week to see what happens. Is the fact that a car hit Locke while he was chasing his mom in the parking lot significant? Or was it just to add suspense?

[Matt1]

Yeah, afterwards I turned to my friend and declared that Lost had reasserted it's dominance over everything else on TV. By the way, what did you make of Carnivale's season finale?

[FanGirl]

I've missed this whole second season of Carnivale. We got rid of the pay channels in favor of netflix.

[jonmarbles]

Well this maybe a stupid question but what show are we talking about?

-Marbles

[jjcourtright]

Lost.

[jjcourtright]

Lost.

[jjcourtright]

Lost.

[TLS]

Finally, someone more LOST than me.

[FanGirl]

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I was right! I just hope he told Shannon that he told her he loved her or something along those lines.

[ratm1966]

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I don't think he did. In his dying breaths he said....

"Tell Shan....Tell Shan" It was something like that, because he then died and didn't get to finish what he was saying.

[Matt1]

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But will he be the only death before season's end? Locke's future isn't exactly looking too rosy at the moment. Also, let's see how long we can keep this whole disclaimer thing going. It's just plain fun.

[Dave]

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yep, Locke looks to get the wrong end of a pistol in the near future. So Jack is Married, and i thought he was going to leave Julie Bowen at the alter for a moment. The Chinese guy maybe coming around on his wife hablaing english.
And the circle of life continues...

[jonmarbles]

Ok so can somebody tell me what chanel and what time also what time zone so I can check this show out? Anyone please?

-Marbles

[Dave]

It comes on CBS on Wednesdays at 7 PM Central Time.
Also, i just watched last weeks episode, and noticed that Sawyer is now reading A Wrinkle in Time

[Denyse]

Dude...It's on ABC /forums/images/icons/smirk.gif

[Dave]

Dammit D, you have ruined my evil plan.
OK, i had no plan, i just get those channels confused. They are both channels i watch infrequently. I should have just said Birmingham Brighthouse Cable Channel 3. /forums/images/icons/smirk.gif

[Matt1]

Jon my boy, you'll probably just be better off waiting until the Season 1 DVD box-set comes out. If you started watching right now you'd be coming in towards the end of the season, and it's the kind of show where it's really best to start watching from the beginning.

[FanGirl]

Agreed. It come out on DVD on September 6th. Amazon has the pre-order for cheap at $38.99 which compared to other First Seasons is pretty reasonable.

[karmattack]

What recurring themes are we all sensing?

So far, I think the obvious ones are: "This/that happened for a reason," and "Don't tell me what I can't do." These are most strongly tied to Locke, but they have come from others too. Jack even yelled "Don't tell me what I can't do" in the last episode.

The cud of the episode before last for me was that Locke and Boone found the airplane "for a reason" and it led to Boone's death. I can't help but think the whole thing with Locke and his legs and "the island trying to take it back" may have been for a reason too. How does that relate to Mousetrap? If all the things are set up perfectly, you catch the mouse, right? Locke's legs stopped working so Boone had to go to the plane, and alone. Then Lockes legs were working again when he had to run Boone back to the beach and get him to Jack who, in turn, had his lesson to learn in letting Boone go. Can't help but feel that's orchestrated.

I have a feeling we're going to learn something big about Locke when he gets shot. Also curious about what he was "enlightened" with (pardon the pun) by the hatch.

Dunno. What say you?

[Dave]

I say you are probably correct.

[Matt1]

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Also curious about what he was "enlightened" with (pardon the pun) by the hatch.

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Not to mention what he saw when the "monster" was staring him down. Which, you might also note, hasn't been heard from since that episode. I don't count Boone's island hallucination, since I figure it was all in his mind. Or was it?

Let's just do a list of Lost mysteries yet to be resolved:
The numbers
The Black Rock
The cave corpses
The black and white stones found on the cave corpses
The hatch
Ethan and his possible people
Walt and his possible abilities
The "monster"
The "sickness" Rousseau talked about
The Polar Bear
How the survivors survived the crash in such good shape
Why no one can find them
The significance of Claire's baby

Am I missing anything?

[FanGirl]

The woman who insists her husband is alive, is he?
Did the people Boone talk to on the radio hear them?
Why did Locke's legs work/not work?
Why was Sawyier arrested and how did he get released?
What happened to Jack's wife?
Who did Kate kill?
We actually haven't seen Shannon or Walt's backstory from their perspective.


Oh and did anyone else catch while watching the reruns that the flight number of the plane are some of the numbers that Hurley used.

[Matt1]

I didn't catch that, but I do remember the plane's flight number coming up somewhere else before. I just can't remember where or when. Interesting.

[DangerSeeker]

The copier Charlie was trying to sell was 815, just like the flight &amp; Hurley's ticket's first 2 numbers.

[Matt1]

Really? Dang, I missed that too. I'm thinking of something else though. I just can't remember.

[DangerSeeker]

Has anyone read the diary? (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary1.html)

[Matt1]

When you posted the link earlier I didn't want to read it for fear of spoilers. But I just read it now anyway. Interesting stuff. I wonder if the mystery writer is going to become a prominent character at any point. And what's in the divebag?

[Threadkiller]

We still don't know how Claire got pregnant. No back story for her. Who else don't we have a backstory for?

[Matt1]

Claire had a backstory. Remember, her boyfriend left her, the psychic advised her to board the plane, etc.? It was the one where she and Charlie were kidnapped by Ethan.

As for who hasn't gotten a backstory yet, Shannon and Walt are the only two prominent characters who come to mind. Walt's was kind of mixed in with Michael's episode, but he's yet to have one that's really his own. Same with Shannon.

[Matt1]

Just remembered the other time the flight number was mentioned. In Kate's bank robbery episode, I believe it was the number on the safety deposit box. The one with the tiny plane in it.

[Threadkiller]

Damn, Claire's and Hurley's backstories are the two episodes I haven't seen.

[DangerSeeker]

I thought the diary was Shannon, but it can't be because she wasn't around when they were operating on Boone. So now I have no idea who it is, but I had thought it was supposed to be a main character. I guess not, thanks to process of elimination.

[Alison]

And what was up with what Boone heard on the radio in the plane -- "No, we're the survivors of flight 815" - huh?

[karmattack]

I plan on looking at how the numbers relate to triangles.

If this show is simply about the Bermuda Triangle, I'm boutsta be pissed.

[Matt1]

Yeah, I doubt that it's something that simple. Plus, they were flying from Australia to L.A., so they'd be over the wrong ocean. But if it is that, I'll be in the same pissed off boat as you.

Will also be pissed if:
<ul type="square"> It's all in their heads It's some kind of Dr. Moreau type of thing [/list]

[FanGirl]

I will be pissed if I guy in a red shirt and white hat shows up.

[Mighty_Wingman]

Yes, but what if
http://www.tvtome.com/images/shows/0/6/79-8879.jpg
this happens?

[Matt1]

So long as it's not this Mr. Roarke:
http://www.fadetoblack.com/criticsrow/1998/abc/fantasyisland.gif
I'll be cool.

Also, International Intrigue has a nice interview (http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/intrigue/index.html) with Yunjin Kim, she of the ultra-hotness, aka Sun.

[FanGirl]

Personally for a little comic relief, I would love to have Hurley dream that this was Fantasy Island with full on guest appearances and all.

[Matt1]

So, was anyone else supremely stoked by the preview for next week's episode? The others are coming...

[FanGirl]

Maybe it'll be Lothar of the Hill people who will come to greet them. Next week is going to rock.

[Mighty Wingman]

The others ?
http://www.biology.lsa.umich.edu/faculty/labs/denver/gilligan.jpg

I mean you know something bad is going to happen when they open the hatch.

[FanGirl]

I still say Hurley should have a dream where he wakes up on either Gillian's or Fantasy island.

[Denyse]

I haven't watched the show, but following along with your posts, I'm guessing the twist is that they are all (unknowingly) on some perverse reality show, funded by what's his name's lotto money, and none of the others are really dead, they have just been voted off the island...

[psychofiend]

What is Lost? I don't watch much tv lately.

[Matt1]

One of my friends pointed out to me that the time-capsule tape was recorded on August 15. 8/15.

I love shit like that.

[JK]

I thought it was cool how last night we aired The Terminator on TBS. When Reese gets the drop on the cop in the alley, he demands to know the day. The cop replies "The 12th, May... Thursday." Kind of cool.

[Threadkiller]

I thought it was cool how last night we aired The Terminator on TBS. When Reese gets the drop on the cop in the alley, he demands to know the day. The cop replies "The 12th, May... Thursday." Kind of cool.
Heh, nice coincidence. A different thread made me realize a lot of that movie must take place on Friday the 13th then right?

[RobinHoodDaffy]

Soooooooooooo.........that's it 'till September. What'd ya think?

[FanGirl]

Totally awesome. I don't know how many times I held my breathe through that.

"Dude, you got a little Arnst on you."

[RobinHoodDaffy]

I agree but,

Spoiler-A big damn hole, they promised some resolution! Filthy liars!!!! Gonna be a long wait!

[Threadkiller]

I agree but,

Spoiler-A big damn hole, they promised some resolution! Filthy liars!!!! Gonna be a long wait!
More spoiler!
We did get to see "the others" though. And it clarified the obvious friction between Jack and Locke.

[RobinHoodDaffy]

Dude! When you quote the invisatext it ain't invisa no more. :eek:

[FanGirl]

****************SPOILERS ABOUND******************************
Great article though. I missed a bunch of stuff.

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Still "Lost"
By Laura Miller

May 26, 2005 | "Lost" is made for TiVo the way some series ("24," "Alias," that masterpiece "The Wire") seem made for DVDs. Last night's season finale demanded full deployment of such little-used features as slo-mo (Exactly what is that thing dragging Locke through the underbrush? You got me) and frame-by-frame (Is there something funky about that smoke? Yep), not to mention that faithful stand-by, the instant replay button (Wait -- did the creepy jungle bird actually screech "Hurley!" as it flew away? Yes!). We'd be lost ourselves, without it.
We have answers, and yet no answers, or at least not the ones we thought we were promised in assorted tantalizing pronouncements tossed to the press by the show's creators, J.J. Abrams and Damon Lindelhoff. The group of friends I watch "Lost" with declared that all we wanted from the finale was 1) to see the Others, the shadowy, menacing people who share the island with our castaways and 2) some kind of payoff on Hurley's numbers, the sequence of digits (4 8 15 16 23 42) that netted him a massive lottery and apparently placed him under a curse.
Well, we got an eyeful of some scraggly-looking Others (and here, if you have somehow managed to become interested in "Lost" without realizing that it is a mystery, and therefore likely to be spoiled if you read anything at all about an episode before seeing it, you might want to stop), but no further insight into what they're up to, unless it's possible to run a crystal meth lab off a small fishing boat. We got a long, goofy and seemingly extraneous sequence about Hurley's frantic race through the airport to catch the fateful flight. An immediate second viewing reveals a liberal sprinkling of those ominous numbers -- it's 14 degrees out!; he's driving 42 kilometers per hour!; boarding at Gate 23; $1,600 for the old dude's scooter!; look at the numbers on that girls soccer team's jerseys! Surely, Messrs. Abrams and Lindelhoff, you jest.
Hurley even glimpsed the numbers on the hatch just before Jack and Locke blew it open, but what could he do, even if he'd had more time? "The numbers are bad!" he shouted as he tried to stamp out the fuse, a statement that no "Lost" viewer would question, but that none of his comrades -- not even the increasingly spooky Locke -- is ever likely to believe. Hurley is the show's most endearing character, the most grounded, the least addled by murky personal preoccupations and regrets, so it makes sense that he's got the freakiest secret to keep. As for the hatch itself: Well, it leads to a very deep, very dark shaft. Thanks.
Then there's the "monster." Is it invisible, or what? Why, as Karen Carpenter might ask, do trees shoot into the sky every time it stomps by? Is it up (where Locke stares when menaced by it) or is it down (where it, or something like it, tried to drag him)? Though the finale seemed to add precious little to the French woman's definition of the thing -- "it's a security system" - once you stop studying the scenes for visual clues and really listen, the grinding of chains and gears is unmistakable. My bet: It's a mechanical apparatus located in the honeycomb of tunnels underneath the island's surface. What that bizarrely sentient-seeming smoke is all about is another matter.
All in all, not much in the way of information pay-offs got dished out last night, but while we were slavering for solid facts, the groundwork has been laid for developments that will make "Lost" something more than just one long tease. A schism is brewing between Locke and Jack, not just over who's in charge, but over who best understands what's going on. Locke thinks it's something mystical -- an irony, as one of my "Lost" group points out, given he's named after the empirical philosopher -- and Jack, well, he's the man of science, according to Locke, though "sanctimony" fits, too.

Which prompts a question: Who's our hero? The blandly handsome and wholesome Jack is the obvious choice, but he's become increasingly unappealing, even to his fellow castaways. "Everyone wants me to be a leader until I make a decision they don't like," he pouts to Kate. That's not the problem, pal. Lately, you've shown the despot's tendency to confuse injuries to your pride with injuries to the community: Boone's death and Locke's secretiveness have irked you in ways you want to think are noble, but even the adoring Kate realizes are not.
Locke, on the other hand, is a zealot in the making, a man so disenchanted with his own ego he's all too ready to swap it for a higher power, even if it may turn out to be nothing more that a giant subterranean game of Mousetrap. Kate is too busy feeling sorry for herself, Sawyer is smart but infantile, and Sayid -- well, some of us would follow him anywhere, but he doesn't seem interested in taking charge.
It's all bait and switch: We sign up for monsters and metaphysical puzzles, but if we stay, it'll be for "Lord of the Flies"-style psychodrama, and interpersonal moments as tender as a box of Krispy Kreme donuts. What are we meant to think about those wordless flashbacks showing the characters boarding the plane, those almost unbearably stately interludes of Nothing Happening during the final 20 minutes when we're jonesing for cold, hard answers even worse than Charlie used to jones for those little brown balls of dope?
Once you realize what you won't be getting, those scenes are even more mystifying: The soon-to-be-smithereened Arnst (who introduced a nice bit of meta commentary into the finale when he complained about being shut out of "your merry little band of adventurers") helping Claire stow her luggage. Jack smiling politely to Locke. Hurley giving Walt (Walt!) the thumbs up before revealing that he is the source of the Spanish comic book. Once upon a time, a month ago, these people were strangers, the scenes seem to be telling us -- and they were nicer to each other then.
It would be weird, but appropriate if "Lost" turned out to be like "Deadwood," a story about the mystery of how people manage to live together given how maddening people can be. (The French woman, named after yet another famous philosopher, stands for the alternative, and look what it's done for her.) The finale's chief plot twist -- that the Others only thought they wanted Claire's baby, which explains why they tossed her back to Charlie after a few days -- made less of an impact than the trauma that resulted from it. Seeing Walt kidnapped from the deck of the S.S. Deathtrap while Michael, once so eager to give him away, looked helplessly on, was a heart-breaker. As dismal as that damn raft looked, it turns out there are worse things.

[Dave]

fantastic article Fanny. I didn't notice the bird but i did hear the ratching sound made while Locke was being dragged by the "monster". They didn't mention the interesting little bit with Charley and the stuffed Virgin Mary, i sure do hope that he stays clean so he can help raise Aaron. (what does Aaron mean anyway?)

[FanGirl]

Considering this is just year one of a seven year story arch, I can't wait for next season.

[Matt1]

Thought it was a great finale. Afterwards I felt totally satisfied, even though a lot of questions I wanted answered beforehand weren't.
Considering this is just year one of a seven year story arch, I can't wait for next season.
Where did you get that little tantalizing bit of information from? And is it a completetly pre-planned arch ala Babylon 5, or a year by ear arch ala Buffy?

[FanGirl]

My friend works for JJ. He had an overall arch of things that need to happen over the seven years and then he let's the writers write the backstories to get those characters to where they need to be. So it's a combo of Buffy and Babylon 5 tactic.

[Matt1]

Interesting. I'm reassured, to say the least, that there is an overall plan.

Thought I'd go through one by one our earlier set of mysteries, show which ones have been resolved, which haven't and add some new ones to the list.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE FINALE

The numbers - Not explained, but they were all over the place.

The Black Rock - Explained. It's a ship. A slave-ship. Full of skeletons. Add that to the ominous shit column. How did the ship get there?

The cave corpses - Not explained.

The black and white stones found on the cave corpses - Not explained.

The hatch - Sorta explained. It's a ladder. Where does the ladder go?

Ethan and his possible people - Maybe sorta explained. If the Others are indeed Ethan's people, we saw some of them on that boat. If those actually were the Others. Which I am inclined to believe.

Walt and his possible abilities - Not explained, but the Others wanted him for a reason.

The "monster" - Sorta explained. It's a security system. A security system whose presence is preceded by a fast moving wisp of black smoke and that makes all kind of mechanical sounding noises. And it goes underground.

The "sickness" Rousseau talked about - Not explained.

The Polar Bear - Not explained.

How the survivors survived the crash in such good shape - Not explained.

Why no one can find them - Not explained.

The significance of Claire's baby - Not explained.

The woman who insists her husband is alive, is he? - Not explained.

Did the people Boone talked to on the radio hear them? - Not explained.

Why did Locke's legs work/not work? - Not explained.

Why was Sawyier arrested and how did he get released? - Head-butted the Minister of Agriculture or something. Deported rather then incarcerated.

What happened to Jack's wife? - Don't know, but we know she wasn't his wife anymore when he got on the plane.

Who did Kate kill? - Her original crime remains unknown. But we do know the origin of her toy plane.

[FanGirl]

We need to add:

Is Alex still alive?

[Matt1]

Good one. Anyone else have any others?

[Efexeye]

Good one. Anyone else have any others?

Yeah- how soon will the DVD's be out so Denyse and I can catch up?

[FanGirl]

Actually - is Alex a guy or girl? She just says "my child." For some reason, I get the distinct vibe that the blond who was driving the boat is Alex. Just a guess though.

[Matt1]

Efexeye - They're due on September 6, 2005.

Fangirl - I thought Rousseau said the kid was a boy. I'm probably mistaken though.

[Threadkiller]

The Polar Bear - Not explained.
I thought Walt summoned the polar bear when reading the comic.

[Matt1]

I thought Walt summoned the polar bear when reading the comic.
Well that was certainly implied, but it hasn't been confirmed. Could just be a red herring.

[FanGirl]

I figure the bears were on a ship/plane that crashed. Hey, why didn't they eat the polar bear meat? It would have probably fed all of them for at least one meal.

[Matt1]

I think they didn't eat the bear meat because at that point they all thought they were going to be rescued imminently. Plus, they were on a mission with no real time to haul it all back.

[TomHarrington]

Could just be a red herring.

No, I'm pretty sure it was a polar bear. :)

But I agree with you, I think it may just be a distraction.

[karmattack]

Fangirl - I thought Rousseau said the kid was a boy. I'm probably mistaken though. I'm pretty sure you're right; I could have sworn she referred to Alex as a he. I'll check the TiVo.

[Matt1]

So I slow-moed the part when Locke was attacked by the "monster". As best as I could make out, he was being dragged by a tendril made of what appeard to be... black smoke.

What the hell is it!?

Also, smart fella that I am, I just realized that John and Jack have essentially the same name. Two sides of the same coin, perhaps? Since duality seems to be a recurring theme on the show, I'm leaning towards yes.

[Threadkiller]

Here's something to think about. Sun thinks that they are all being punished but I'm thinking maybe it's the opposite. Did any of them really have anything to go home to? Jail, empty houses, unresolved problems, drug addictions the list goes on. The only main characters who had something good waiting at the end of the flight are Hurley, Boone and maybe Shannon (although Shannon is a lot less shallow and has found someone to love on the island and Boone seemed to find absolution before he died).

I think most of them have benefited substantially from the crash.

[ratm1966]

Like a dumbass, I thought last week's episode was the season finale, so I didn't watch it this week.

[Matt1]

You poor, poor man. It was good. I still have it on my Tivo, so if you like I could record a copy and send it to you.

TK, I agree completely.

Also, thought of something non-plot related while watching it last night that I think is worth mentioning. The music on the show is hands down the best on TV right now. Michael Giacchino is a genius.

[FanGirl]

Check out this well done site:
http://www.oceanic-air.com

[Matt1]

That's cool.

[Dave]

I think the airlines going out of business, because they wont let you book a flight right now.

[karmattack]

After reading the option "Infant in lap (under 2 yrs)," I insantly read the next option as "Infant under seat."

[Threadkiller]

Check out this well done site:
http://www.oceanic-air.com
So did everybody find the secret messages and the crumbled piece of unused script? Also, the in-flight magazine leads you to a place to sign up for ABC.com and get Lost Spam from them. Still, a cool site.

[FanGirl]

I found the unused script, but not the secret messages.

[ratm1966]

If you click and drag your mouse down the message about the flights being cancelled, you will see the following message hidden in it.....

"I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents."

[Threadkiller]

If you click and drag your mouse There's also one hidden behind the frame you have to copy and paste to read or look at the source. It reads:

If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse...

Sally

[karmattack]

I had to read that twice just to make sure your signature wasn't:

Sally

[By-tor]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen the "chat line" tv commercial that Evangeline Lilly(Kate) did before the show premiered this year? When the show first came out I knew I had seen her somewhere before. If this has been discussed please forgive the ignorance.

[Threadkiller]

If this has been discussed please forgive the ignorance.You mean that the girls in the commercials aren't the ones I actually talk to when I call?

That's the first I heard of it. I wonder if it's floating around the internet somewhere. Might be funny.



Sally

[jjcourtright]

I haven't seen enough lost to know if this is right or not, but, I saw this on the Sportsguy's website. Maybe a Spoiler?

Did you know that the numbers that are the center of a mystery on Lost (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) are all numbers that have been retired by the New York Yankees? In order, Gehrig, Berra/Dickey, Munson, Whitey Ford, Mattingly and Jackie Robinson.

[By-tor]

I haven't seen enough lost to know if this is right or not, but, I saw this on the Sportsguy's website. Maybe a Spoiler?

Did you know that the numbers that are the center of a mystery on Lost (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) are all numbers that have been retired by the New York Yankees? In order, Gehrig, Berra/Dickey, Munson, Whitey Ford, Mattingly and Jackie Robinson.Fuck-a-duck :eek:. Anyone else know anything else about the numbers? Can't wait for the premiere.

[FanGirl]

Just picked up my DVD set of the first season and they had 5 of the writer's there to sign it. Sadly not Fury or Dini, but still awesome. Can't wait to watch the extras.

[Mighty Wingman]

Did anyone else ever play Myst ?
*Ehem*
See similarities ?

[Threadkiller]

I just got the DVD at BestBuy. The extra BestBuy promotional dvd didn't have anything too impressive on it though in case anyone was wondering.

I think it's time to start placing bets on who dies next season. List three characters you think are most likely to get croaked in order of who is most probable. Mine are:

Shannon
Jun
Locke

[FanGirl]

I'd bet on Sayid for no other reason that he apparently is being an ass and asking for more money.

I just started re-watching my Lost Dvds over the weekend. They are just so well done.

[By-tor]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen the "chat line" tv commercial that Evangeline Lilly(Kate) did before the show premiered this year? When the show first came out I knew I had seen her somewhere before. If this has been discussed please forgive the ignorance.Thought I'd mention this again. Saw the commercial again last night. I think it's "lovelinks", or something just as ignorant. She looks hot as ever, though. C'mon premiere.

[karmattack]

so um..........yeah...

[freetoaster]

One of the few shows I like.

Missed this week's opener...Somebody spill the beans, please.

[karmattack]

Can't do it. There are just way too many beans -- I would seriously have to transcribe the episode verbatim. I actually started to list some key points of the episode, but there is just too much that happened in between the lines.

[freetoaster]

you're a black pot....

[Threadkiller]

Something messed up the time and my DVR only recorded the first 30 minutes for me. I got to see up until Kate says to stop and the light comes on. Damn, that sucks.

[Jason_Brown]

Missed this week's opener...Somebody spill the beans, please.
Here's a link to the Television without Pity recap.

Down in the Hole. (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=136&story=8243)

[Dave]

it twas awesome!
that is all. Lets go run some stadium steps!

[FanGirl]

I thought that was awesome. Just awesome. I have a feeling this season is going to move along faster than the last.

[jjcourtright]

Have it on Tivo, but last night was a library night, so I haven't seen it yet. I'll report back tomorrow.

[DangerSeeker]

I've got all sorts of spoileriffic theories, but I'll wait until at least a few people have seen it to say whuh.

[karmattack]

One of the things I thought was key that the Down in the Hole link kindly provided by Sir Jason Brown didn't touch upon was: When Jack was running the stairs in the stadium, twisted his ankle and met Desmond, the Irishman responded to Jack's "I couldn't fix her," with "But what if you did?" Then Jack said he was talking about miracles, and Desmond gave him some unrequested advice to "Lift it up." When Jack's cinicism surfaced, Desmond said "Lift it up -- you're ankle. You need to keep it elevated." Then, after Jack told Sarah that the surgery was a failure and she would be paralized for life....and she said "Then why can I wiggle my toes?" Booyah. Touchdown. Jack made miracles happen.

To me, he came across like an angel or some ghostly incarnate of a saint. Then, to see that he's now the one manning the battle station under the hatch has me all......confusefuckbobulated.

[FanGirl]

I need to check, but wasn't Desmond also the best man at the wedding?

[Threadkiller]

Here's a link to the Television without Pity recap.

Down in the Hole. (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=136&story=8243)Thanks for that. :)

[DangerSeeker]

Spoilertown for aired episodes now, I suppose.

The guy at the beginning of the episode was very clean, showered, yada yada. He grabbed a rifle. He also awoke from a bunk bed.

Desmond was dirty. Had a hand gun. The hatch had been left open and unattended for a bit. Methinks Desmond is another castaway from the other half of the plane.

[karmattack]

Wow, that's a good possibility. He might not actually be the person we were led to assume. Great, now I gotta go watch it again.
**Edit [also SPOILERRIFFIC]: I went back and watched the intro and they do show him picking up the handgun that we see at the end of the episode. I'm pretty sure it's Desmond at the beginning because they show his cheeks when he's looking through the telescope and his right cheek is pockmarked. You can see the same pockmarks on Desmond's face in the stadium.

Side note: is anyone else as happy as I am to be excited about TV shows three nights in a row? Monday: Arrested Development. Tuesday: My Name Is Earl. Wednesday: LOST. And some of you have Turdsdays with the O.C.

[By-tor]

Skimmin' past spoilers. Can't wait for the weekend. My Tivo is gonna get a workout. Lost, last 2 episodes of Big Brother, Survivor. If Rita knocks out my legtricty, pissed ain't the word.

I'm not even looking at the posts here until then.

[DangerSeeker]

Okay, how's this?

All we've seen are flashbacks and events on the island. What haven't we seen? Why not?

[phit_demon]

the Irishman responded to Jack's "I couldn't fix her,"


He was Scottish dude, not Irish.:o

[karmattack]

He was Scottish dude, not Irish.:o Believe it or not, I did realize that and just never corrected my mistake.

To make me look better, the point I realized it was upon my second viewing of the episode as I was proving to my cousin that Desmond wasn't Australian.

At least I was on the same continent.

[jjcourtright]

When Jack first met him, I thought that it was while he was in Australia. I was thinking, "Man, that is the world's worst fake Aussie accent."

[Dave]

OK, so who watched last nights episode, it was good, but we really didn't get any farther along in the plot...

The previews for next weeks show were awesome though, I'm of the opinion that the survivors of the tale section have "devolved" into some sort of brutal tribe, and that's who is chasing Jin and put Michelle Rodrigez into the hole....

[jjcourtright]

There was a little bit about that in the new RollingStone. One of the writers "hypothetically" said that the survivors that we know were in a large enough group that they formed a hippie-like commune. The other survivors were in a much smaller group, so a more militaristic style was needed.


Haven't seen Wednesday's episode yet, but my Tivo has, so I will sometime this weekend...after the Weezer/Foofighters show tonight!!!

[By-tor]

...after the Weezer/Foofighters show tonight!!!Kick ass, jj. Hope ya have a blast.

[FanGirl]

I watched it last night. Great episode, btu Michael's backstories always seem to drag. Anyone notice what gift he gave the young Walt? Interesting, very interesting.

[karmattack]

Anyone notice what gift he gave the young Walt? Interesting, very interesting. Duly noted. I didn't really think his story dragged as much as I thought they were really just trying to pound home one message. We really didn't get much further in the story except:

[**POSSIBLE SPOILERS**]

-We know what happened to Kate and where she is.

-We know what happened to everyone on the raft.

-We got briefly introduced to the Others.

-We got to see that Desmond is a little more "confused" than an aggressor.

-We had the point drilled in that Michael cares about Walt and has fought for his wellbeing in the past.

-We got to see the numbers used in a new way

[Dave]

Haven't seen Wednesday's episode yet, but my Tivo has, so I will sometime this weekend...after the Weezer/Foofighters show tonight!!!


Oh, man I saw those guys (they called themselves Foozer :D ) a couple of weeks ago in Atlanta, and MAN did it rock the house. Have a great time!

[Jason_Brown]

Check out the wacky UK promotional spot. (http://homepage.mac.com/mprieve/.Public/lost.mpg)

[freetoaster]

Haven't seen Wednesday's episode yet, but my Tivo has, so I will sometime this weekend...after the Weezer/Foofighters show tonight!!!

Lucky bitch...

[jjcourtright]

Duly noted. I didn't really think his story dragged as much as I thought they were really just trying to pound home one message. We really didn't get much further in the story except:

[**POSSIBLE SPOILERS**]

-We know what happened to Kate and where she is.

-We know what happened to everyone on the raft.

-We got briefly introduced to the Others.

-We got to see that Desmond is a little more "confused" than an aggressor.

-We had the point drilled in that Michael cares about Walt and has fought for his wellbeing in the past.

-We got to see the numbers used in a new way
Did anybody else notice the symbol on the "shark"? I didn't go back and look, but I think it was the same as the one on Desmond's shirt and also on all the cans in the food hole that Kate got stashed in.

[JamesW]

Its really difficult to wade through all of the drivel on the ABC.com Lost forum, but I think that the symbol means "dharma" according to somebody on there.

[jjcourtright]

So what...Jenna Elfman is driving the "shark" around?

[JamesW]

I thought about saying something like "before psychofiend posts a pic of jenna elfman, no, it is not that dharma" but I thought that was too obscure. :)

[JamesW]

Well apparently it did mean dharma.

[freetoaster]

What's up with the 8mm film and the mole in the hole?

[By-tor]

What's up with the 8mm film and the mole in the hole?I noticed the 8mm was produced by the Hanso(sp) Foundation. And did anyone catch who the guy was that the film showed in the skyscraper(does anybody use that word anymore?). My freakin Tivo got erased before I could check out some other things I wanted to get another look at.

[JamesW]

They're still teasing us with how locke became paralyzed.

[Mighty Wingman]

Well apparently it did mean dharma.
I'm afraid i'm going to have to ask my kidney back.

[FanGirl]

So for every question we get answered like 9 more spring up.

I have a theory on Locke's legs now. They said that part of the island has a weird magnetic force. That could cause is blood to work in his legs. Not to mention when he wandered too far away from it was when his legs started to not work as well.

I wonder how the guy they came and got Desmond when he's ship crashed knew Desmond was there, yet he didn't know a plane had crashed.

[Dave]

CheckThis shit out! (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/)

Show question: was the guy in the skyscraper Locke's Dad?

[JamesW]

CheckThis shit out! (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/)

Show question: was the guy in the skyscraper Locke's Dad?

That was my immediate thought when watching the training video scene...but Locke is watching it isn't he?

[FanGirl]

I don't think it was Locke's dad because the initive had been going on since the 70s and if he were doing all those experiments, why would he need his son?

A better theory I've heard is that the guy is somewhere on the island in one of the other research centers. The logo on the shark was different. Most likely the cable coming out from the ocean leads to that facility.

[jjcourtright]

My wife had the same thought about Hanso being Locke's dad. Are you sure that the logo on the shark is different? It looked the same to me.

[FanGirl]

I have fanatical friends who live on the Lost info and they said the Swan is different.

[freetoaster]

CheckThis shit out! (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/)

Show question: was the guy in the skyscraper Locke's Dad?

Dave, I guess you found this? Under the copyright mark there is a link for "terms of use". It goes to this (http://disney.go.com/corporate/privacy/terms.html).

[jjcourtright]

I have fanatical friends who live on the Lost info and they said the Swan is different.Fair enough. If I remember right, the swan is just part of the Electro-Magnetic project. I'm thinking that the outer ring of the symbol is the same, but it is certainly possible that the inner part is different.

[jjcourtright]

I couldn't get it to load, but apparently you can see the Orientation video here. (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html)

[jjcourtright]

Hells jyes. Three JJ posts in a row. Has anybody else read DCeiver's (http://dceiver.blogspot.com/2005/10/pompatus-of-lost-203-locked-after-dark.html) recap? Funny, funny stuff.

[yggdrasill]

Check out the wacky UK promotional spot. (http://homepage.mac.com/mprieve/.Public/lost.mpg)

Now that it just freaky. I'd rather think that would turn people off from watching the show.

As for the electromagnetic research. I personally think it has something to do with the unified field theory. Maybe they are trying to do what Einstein attempted. Electromagnetic force is one of the fundamental forces in nature.

[FanGirl]

I just read something interesting that USA Today pointed out that Hurley's boss Randy is the same as Locke's boss Randy. Same actor. I guess he moved to Tustin after the meteor crashed into the chicken place or Hurley felt guilty and gave him a job.

Did anyone here catch that? I sure didn't notice.

[Mighty Wingman]

Yup, saw that on E or something ... Also that dharma symbol from the hatch training film is on the fuselage of the plane wreckage from the first episode.

[actualsize]

I don't watch Lost, but I found it interesting that a competing network was promoting their show as follows: "Lost is a repeat this week, so instead you can tune in here and watch an all-new episode of whatever-the-fuck.....

[Dave]

That must have been CBS, because NBC had re-runs going on last night too. Stupid networks afraid to program against the World series, they forced me to do house work last night instead of vegging to those pretty flickering lights.

[FanGirl]

Like the scene at the end of Cable Guy when he takes out the satellite and then suddenly people discover books.

[ILovePapaSmurf]

The time when I attempt to watch 'Lost,' it is a repeat. I give up. I'm stickin' to watching the 'I Love The' series on VH-1.

[FanGirl]

While I knew who was going to be killed last night, I so did not see the way that it happened coming. This should prove for some interesting dynamics as the two groups merge. Who else thinks that Locke and Ekko are either going to get along famously or hate each other?

[Dave]

Which one iss ekko? the Bitchy leader? What a bitch. Bah, and we have to wait two weeks for the resolution to this episode...

[By-tor]

Which one iss ekko? the Bitchy leader? What a bitch. Bah, and we have to wait two weeks for the resolution to this episode...He's the big black(no offense) guy. The "tracker". That girl is one complete bitch. But I think the next episode will explain why. Gonna find out more about "the others". Finally.

[jjcourtright]

While I knew who was going to be killed last night, I so did not see the way that it happened coming. This should prove for some interesting dynamics as the two groups merge. Who else thinks that Locke and Ekko are either going to get along famously or hate each other?Do we know that he/she/it (in an effort to remain vague) is dead?

[By-tor]

Do we know that he/she/it (in an effort to remain vague) is dead?That gut-shot looked pretty bad. But who knows?

[FanGirl]

Definately dead. Will not be coming back. Moved on to other projects despite the rumor this person bought a house in Hawaii.

**SPOILER****








Now Sayid tortured Sawyer for asma medicine. What do you think he's going to do Anna?

[By-tor]

Now Sayid tortured Sawyer for asma medicine. What do you think he's going to do Anna?The look on his face convinced me that a human could tear up another human limb from limb.

[JamesW]

Now Sayid tortured Sawyer for asma medicine. What do you think he's going to do Anna?

He only did the torture because he could save somebody who was still alive. I also remember him repeatedly making sure it was okay with Jack. He wasnt even with Shannon at that point anyway, was he?

[Dave]

No, he wasn't, but like By-tor said, the look on his face said to me, that she is one dead bitch.

Am i alone in thinking that Ekko is the husband of the lady who was drying cloths with Lottery boy? (stupid brain am not working, can't think of names today)

[jjcourtright]

I thought that the old white guy that was with the rear of the plane people is her husband...

[Dave]

the kind of quiet one that's helped them make the stretcher? It could be...

[JamesW]

the kind of quiet one that's helped them make the stretcher? It could be...

The old white guy is Bernard, Rose's (the laundry lady's) husband.

[jjcourtright]

Check out the big brain on James - even knows the more obscure characters' names.

[JamesW]

Check out the big brain on James - even knows the more obscure characters' names.

Are you going to eat my lunch and execute me now?

[jjcourtright]

Execute is such a harsh word. I prefer strike down.

[By-tor]

Check out the big brain on James - even knows the more obscure characters' names.They won't be obscure by the end of this season.

[Dave]

but they are now.

[jjcourtright]

...but they won't be...

[By-tor]

Speaking of obscure characters, I thought for sure the guy(teacher I think) that went to help get the TNT off that ship would be more of a character this season. Then oops, his brain ends up all over everybody.

[Dave]

Don't look now, but you've got some Urnst on ya.

[By-tor]

Don't look now, but you've got some Urnst on ya.Cracked me up.

[FanGirl]

Bernard (who will forever be Principal Dewitt from Growing Pains) has been established as Rose's husband as he asks them if his wife is still alive at the end of an episode a few weeks ago.

The evil writers did a whole article in TV Guide a few weeks before the season finalle going on and on about how Arnst would be a huge character in the second season and then they blew him up. Evil people with their intentional misinformation. Bastages.

[JamesW]

The evil writers did a whole article in TV Guide a few weeks before the season finalle going on and on about how Arnst would be a huge character in the second season and then they blew him up. Evil people with their intentional misinformation. Bastages.

HE'S NOT REALLY DEAD!!! Yeah and neither is Dumbledore... What I really wanted to say is.. could he be in a big flashback moment?

[By-tor]

What I really wanted to say is.. could he be in a big flashback moment?He already was....that TNT went big booooom. :p

[FanGirl]

So does anyone else think that all the whisphers we hear in the woods are also backwards?

[Mighty Wingman]

The backwards whispers I hear come from the fireplace.

[karmattack]

The backwards whispers I hear come from the fireplace.
Dude, I don't even want to know which one of your places is on fire or why the whispers come out backwards. But I digress.


JJ's right. We don't really know that "Sticks" is dead. I mean, I'm almost certain of it, but they didn't actually show her die in the episode. We're just left to assume, and those of us who were privy to all the new shit (thanks bloggers and Hercules!) knew she was going to be the survivor to......not survive. Right now, she's no more dead than Sawyer, which has me concerned considering what the writers let "slip" before.

[Mighty Wingman]

Dude, I don't even want to know which one of your places is on fire or why the whispers come out backwards. But I digress.


JJ's right. We don't really know that "Sticks" is dead. I mean, I'm almost certain of it, but they didn't actually show her die in the episode. We're just left to assume, and those of us who were privy to all the new shit (thanks bloggers and Hercules!) knew she was going to be the survivor to......not survive. Right now, she's no more dead than Sawyer, which has me concerned considering what the writers let "slip" before.
New shit has come to light, man.

[Mighty Wingman]

I just finished up the season one DVD and everything makes much more sense.

Anyone know how many more episodes we have this season ?

[FanGirl]

It's not 4, 8, 15, 16 or 42. The answer is 23. Believe or not.

[Mighty Wingman]

Heheheh! Seriously though , you know how many more new eps this season?

[jjcourtright]

It's not 4, 8, 15, 16 or 42. The answer is 23. Believe or not.23 more? That's alot of episodes.

[FanGirl]

Seriously, there is a total of 23 episodes this season. Not sure how many have aired so far. I think we're at 7 maybe 8.

[jjcourtright]

OK, that seems much more reasonable. 23 more seemed like way too many.

[FanGirl]

That was my bad. I misread him.

[By-tor]

Just gimme this week to find out more about "the others", and no re-runs for a month or two, and I be doin' fine.

[FanGirl]

I wonder if the black smoke they saw was really something the tailies were burning. My only theory about them. I can't wait to see this week.

[Mighty Wingman]

Didn't the French chick say the black smoke was a sign they (the others) were coming ?

[By-tor]

Yeah, but she is crazier than a shit-house rat.

[FanGirl]

Didn't Mulder teach you anything? Trust no one.

[Mighty Wingman]

Yeah, but she was right the first time, she knew they were coming "for the boy" but guessed wrong about which kid.

[FanGirl]

Could have been a coincidence. Why would they alert you they are coming for you?

[Mighty Wingman]

The kid they wanted was on the boat. And probably too far away to see it.

I'm not sure what the black smoke means, or what they're burning to get it, I think maybe the others are decendants of the crew of the Black Rock.
Perhaps I'm connecting dots that aren't there, but that's one of my sneaking suspicions.

I also believe that Locke is right, the island brought them there for a reason, but I don't think that reason is to push a button every 108 minutes.

So many compelling mysteries , so many unseen episodes.

[By-tor]

Any theories on why they want all the kids? Child pornography seems a little far-fetched. :eek:

[FanGirl]

Well, my Star Trek watching tendencies makes me think they want them because they can't have children anymore because the magnetics of the island have destroyed their reproductive organs from long term exposure. At least that's what happened on ST:NG when aliens took a bunch of kids.

[Dave]

I had the same thought about the kids as well. It's either that, or they like human Veil, it's the sweetest meat.

What's up with the "monster" from Season one? the clanking noise and and the ghostly black smoke? we haven't seen anything about that this whole season.

[Mighty Wingman]

Well, my Star Trek watching tendencies makes me think they want them because they can't have children anymore because the magnetics of the island have destroyed their reproductive organs from long term exposure. At least that's what happened on ST:NG when aliens took a bunch of kids.
I don't think so, both kids are something special. Walts "abilities" and Aarons destiny are part of the reason why the island brought them.

[By-tor]

Gonna get some more answers and some more questions tonite, for sure. Extended style, even. Everybody enjoy. :)

[karmattack]

What's up with the "monster" from Season one? the clanking noise and and the ghostly black smoke? we haven't seen anything about that this whole season. That's what I've been thinking about. Really, Walt's creepy visage is the only "supernatural" thing we've seen this season, unless you count the shark with the symbol on it.

When you talk about the ghostly black smoke, you mean the stuff Jack and Kate saw in the "dark" woods on thier way from the Black Rock to the hatch, right? Seriously, how are they going to end season 1 with some weird, flying smoke bugs, the "security system," and the hatch....and then not even mention 2 out of the 3 things again for 6 episodes of the second season. I'm hoping we get some new insights and links tonight.

[Dave]

Yeah, it's like they blew open the hatch and forgot about all that other stuff.

[By-tor]

Just got home, the episode is probably just about over. I will now get comfy, and use my wonderful VCR killer....Senor Tivo. See ya in a bit.

[Threadkiller]

I think the key is how little actual time has passed for the islanders since season 2 began. something like 3 days maybe? I feel like the whole season is only going to be a week in the lives of the castaways. There's just sooo much information to be delivered along with flashbacks in only a 46 minute episode.

Side note: Mr. Echo is my new favorite character and I already hate Michelle Rodriguez' character more than anyone else on the show, even more than Michael (although I like Rodriguez as an actor).

[Mighty Wingman]

I think Anna Lucia is misunderstood. Near the end of season one she was flirting with Jack in the airport bar. She's civilized, when in civilization. I think she's just freaked out by what happened to her and the rest of the tail section. I won't be missing Shan much, but it looks like Sayid will.

I think the lesson of tonights episode is : Don't sit in the back.

[Dave]

Well, i missed a good portion of the show last night because i had to go run some errands. I came in where Michelle Rodriguez whipped that dude on the mountian top. can you guys catch me up to just after that point?

[By-tor]

Someone with better storytelling skills should do it. What I will tell ya, Dave, is get the Tivo. Cut back on any vice you have, and get the Tivo. I know the street corner girls can do without your weekly visits. :D

[Mighty Wingman]

Well, i missed a good portion of the show last night because i had to go run some errands. I came in where Michelle Rodriguez whipped that dude on the mountian top. can you guys catch me up to just after that point?
It was all flash backs, of the 48 days between the crash and the time Anna shoots Shan, from the point of view of the tail section survivors. Man, they had it rough. There's probably a blog or something that could describe it better than I have time for at the moment.

[By-tor]

Tell ya what. That Echo dude is one bad sumbitch.

[karmattack]

Dave, one of the best options for getting caught up on the show is to check the "Lost Video Gallery" at the ABC website: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/

Some details, significant or not:


-Eko killed two "Others" with a rock when they tried to take him. He was the first person they tried to take. Immediately afterward, he stopped talking and stayed silent for 40 days (tempted to check if it was 42).

-When they found the storage bunker, there was a case inside that had, among other things, a radio tranciever and a glass eye.

-We found out that the communications Boone heard on the radio in the drug smuggler's plane just before it fell and smashed him up were, in fact, the tail section survivors.

-It was somewhat revealed that the people who were being taken were either "strong" or "good people." That comes from....the Others' spy saying "He wasn't a good person. That's why he wasn't on the list."

-We found out who the guy was that Eko and Jin saw in the forest, and how he got there. (If you watch that ABC clip, you see it)

-What made Eko talk again was seeing Anna Lucia sitting next to a stream, crying.
Eko: "It took 40 days."
Anna Lucia: "What, for you to talk?"
Eko: "For you to cry."


So, what I'm thinking about now is how everyone is supposed to be on the island for a reason. Whether it's the theory that they are in purgatory, or they are a part of some tropical version of "The Game," and The Others are just stagehands, each person has something to learn from being there. That means Mr. Eko isn't supposed to be there because The Others tried to take him. BUT they didn't try and take him the second time, which makes me think that it gave him a personal demon when he had to kill two people -- obvious in the fact that he stopped talking. Maybe there's something about that tied to his past?

[By-tor]

Yeah, I'm guessing the next few weeks will be flashbacks for all the "tailies". And , of course, some sort of showdown between Sayid and Anna Lucia. Jack will obviously be able to patch Sawyer back up. That guy ain't goin' anywhere. One of my fav characters. Other than that goddess that is Evangeline Lilly.

[karmattack]

Dude! This changes everything! (http://cgi.ebay.com/Dharma-Industries-logo-from-LOST-ABC-TV-on-my-TOAST_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ1467QQitemZ563133 4583QQrdZ1)

[karmattack]

Yeah, I'm guessing the next few weeks will be flashbacks for all the "tailies". And , of course, some sort of showdown between Sayid and Anna Lucia. Jack will obviously be able to patch Sawyer back up. That guy ain't goin' anywhere. One of my fav characters. Other than that goddess that is Evangeline Lilly. You're almost right.

**SPOILERS**




Next week will be a flashback for Anna Lucia, probably correlating the conflicts in her past life to dealing with the fact that she killed Shannon and what the other castaways think of her. I hear this has something to do with her former job.

But the following week is going to be another flashback for Kate. We are supposed to get a big chunk of info about Kate that we've been wanting. I won't say what it is. I'm assuming this end up relating to her caring for Sawyer as he recovers from the gunshot wound.


**/SPOILERS**


OK, so does anyone else find it interesting that Jack has to make the life/death choice for yet ANOTHER Rutherford? Hmm? HMMM?!

[Dave]

Is it just me, or does everything Anna trys to do come out wrong/hurting someone?

Interesting that the door to the shed also had "quarantine" on the inside and the Darma logo had an arrow instead of a swan

What guy in the forrest? the guy who fought anna?
End Transmission.......

[By-tor]

...and the Darma logo had an arrow instead of a swan.....Damn, Dave, I was just about to ask about this after seeing the toast. Guessing there are other "bunkers" on the island with different Darma designations. Didn't the Hanso film mention something about that. Jeezaloo, this show has more twists than Coolio's hair-do.

[FanGirl]

The writers say they are going to try hard to make us like Anna now. Also said we will know why the plane crashed by the end of the season and Ekko's stick is a clue. Anyone want to even take a stab (pun intended) at what kind of clue? I haven't the faintest.

Anyone else think the "US Army" on the knife is supposed to mean something?

[jjcourtright]

I already like Anna...or at least I like to look at her. I'm a sucker for the brown-skinned girls. I likes 'em with flava.

[By-tor]

The writers say they are going to try hard to make us like Anna now. Also said we will know why the plane crashed by the end of the season and Ekko's stick is a clue. Anyone want to even take a stab (pun intended) at what kind of clue? I haven't the faintest.

Anyone else think the "US Army" on the knife is supposed to mean something?Damn, when the whistling started right a the first of the show last nite, I told my wife "Here comes the tail section." It was some nice fx. The knife either came from one of the bunkers, the "ghost ship", or the crazy French broad's group. My guesses only.

[karmattack]

or the crazy French broad's group. My guesses only.
That's a really good call.

[karmattack]

What guy in the forrest? the guy who fought anna? In the episode where Michael took off to find Walt, and Jin went after him with Eko's help...they saw a dead body in the forest. It was Nathan, the guy who got the chiropractor treatment by the Others' spy.

At least, I'm pretty sure. I guess I need to verify that.

**Edit: Nope, I was wrong. It was Goodwin, the spy...kabob stick and all.

[FanGirl]

Why would the French group have US Army knives?

[karmattack]

Why would the French group have US Army knives? Not that it's any sort of certain connection. I just see a possibility in there. For some reason, I could instantly imagine a tangled scenario where Anna Lucia, not knowing Danielle Russeau, catches her sneaking through the woods and holds the knife out to attack her. Danielle gets wide-eyed and asks where she got the knife, and then explains that her science team ran across some U.S. Army soldiers during their expedition, and the soldiers gave them that knife (or knives).

It's really loose, but I connected to that thoery instantly.

[Ryall]

I know who the next person to go is... and I hate that I know. Sometimes spoilers feel like just that.

[Dave]

Well keep your sorrys in a sack mister! you hold that knowledge to yourself.

[karmattack]

Really? Word was supposedly out that they weren't going to off anyone for a while. If you're right, I have my suspicions. They've already pulled that rug on us, and they've openly said they want to keep the risk level high so we feel like characters could go at any moment.

[By-tor]

Rat Bashturds.

[FanGirl]

Just read an awesome theory on a connection. Locke's dad is the con man Mr. Sawyer. Makes sense. He's age appropriate. He clearly is a con man in how well he orchastrated Locke into giving him a kidney. Thoughts?

[Mighty Wingman]

Just read an awesome theory on a connection. Locke's dad is the con man Mr. Sawyer. Makes sense. He's age appropriate. He clearly is a con man in how well he orchastrated Locke into giving him a kidney. Thoughts?
Interesting, and also possible.

I know who the next person to go is... and I hate that I know. Sometimes spoilers feel like just that.
That puts us back on the original topic of who's going to die.

I know from the DVD extras that they were planning to kill Jack in the pilot. But decided that would betray the audience. Jack is a natural leader even if he is reluctant to be. Everyone trusts him. It'd be a shame. Anyone else wondering what happened to the body of Jacks Dad? It wasn't in the coffin.

Hurley more so than anyone, is connected to the island by the numbers, that just can't be a coincidence . He's part of the larger mystery. I think he's safe , for now.

Locke is also connected I'd vote him most likely to figure out what's going on. The downside is he'll rationalize the death of the other castaways to find answers if he feels he has to.

Sawyer is an A-hole, he keeps things interesting for us to watch but I wouldn't choose him as someone to be stranded on an island with. His biggest connection would seem to be with Jacks Dad. That being revealed, his usefulness is in question.

The Island wanted Walt. His ability has something to do with the larger mystery. Michael, at this point, may be a redshirt. Though, I wonder who was driving the car that hit him 9 years ago?

Kate attracts too many viewers to be killed off. Period. Her keepsake from her true love is a passenger plane, that might seem like a spurious connection but in the next couple weeks I think that'll change.

Sayid has tech knowledge, I believe he'll help to figure out the mystery, but what we've seen of his past doesn't connect him to the island. With Shan gone he may become dangerous.

Now that Rose and Bernard are reunited, it strikes me as something these writers would do , to kill one of them. Probably Bernard.

Who was Jin delivering the watch to ? Was it the guy Sun had been set up on a date by her parents with ? I think we'll find out before either life is danger.

If the story has the slightest chance for a happy ending, it'll be Claire and Aaron living happily ever after. Though I don't put anything past these writers.

Which brings me to Charlie, most likely to be offed next in my opinion.