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Zens_7s
12-06-2004, 07:58 PM
So I am sitting in church yesterday, and much to my suprise the standard annoucements section didn't go as it normally does. In general, church announcements in my demonination involve invitations to someone's Keno reunion party and the status of Martha Jean's hip replacement.

Instead we are told about how our new ad campaign has been deemed too "Controversial" by NBC and CBS and they have refused to run it. Why you ask? Apparently the subtle depiction of gay couples being accepted by our demonination was considered too inflammatory.

View the video here (it comes up after the Flash intro): United Church of Christ: God is Still Speaking (http://www.stillspeaking.org)

Now here is what gets me...whenever I describe what demonination I grew up in invariably the words "middle of the road" came up. UCC was a church designed to function in small towns where they couldn't support separate presbyterian, methodist, and congregational churches. We have always been a church of "inclusion" as it is said.

Now all of a sudden we are controversial to a network that airs shows with blatent sexuality, homosexuality, and violence as long as it has nothing to do with religion. Does anyone else out there but me think this is utter bullshit? I am not one who argues with making the television cleaner. I think parents should police their children. But still...when did religion of any type become bad? /forums/images/icons/confused.gif Shouldn't the viewing public be able to make that decision?

marksiwel
12-06-2004, 08:05 PM
I saw that Ad on TV today and thought "Damn what a cool ad and so true"

I didnt know you went there. It sounds cool, too bad I'm not much into church.

Jesus didnt turn people away= OWNED Other churches

marksiwel
12-06-2004, 08:09 PM
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Shouldn't the viewing public be able to make that decision?

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HA HA HA HA! Oh wiat you were serious! Eep! Look who owns those stations that wouldnt show it, that should explain it all.

Its like the Dallas Morning News. The owner has WAY to much control over what gets put in and left out based on what HE feels is "right" and "wrong".

Razorback
12-06-2004, 08:19 PM
Next time, show 'em your jubblies and ask them if that is controversial or just happy pants time.

FanGirl
12-06-2004, 08:22 PM
I saw somebible thumper talking about this. Something about how they do not accept "the gays" into their church unless they are coming to the church to be reformed. It just reminds me of the movie

"But I'm A Cheerleader" where they ship the girl off to "straight" camp because her family thinks she's gay. The camp is run very seriosly by Cathy Moriaty and RuPaul not in Drag.

Zens_7s
12-06-2004, 08:42 PM
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Something about how they do not accept "the gays" into their church unless they are coming to the church to be reformed.

[/ QUOTE ] That is a different church. We have actually had ordained gay and lesbian pastors since the late 70's. No re-formatting of hard drive required!

People will now think us the outlandish church and forget we founded both Harvard and Yale. Of course, in 1700 we were the first church to protest slavery, so that was radical. Also, the church does not burn down when I walk in the doors and that...my friends...is the most radical moment of all! /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

Matt1
12-06-2004, 08:43 PM
Yeah, I heard about this a few days ago. Here's what I received in the mail from the nice, if albeit sometimes nutty, folks at FAIR:
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December 3, 2004

Three broadcast networks have rejected an advertisement from the United
Church of Christ, deeming the ad's message of tolerance to be too
controversial.

Citing the Bush administration's proposal of a constitutional amendment to
ban gay marriage, CBS and UPN have refused to run a UCC commercial that
advertises the church's acceptance of all people, including gays and
lesbians. NBC also deemed the ad "too controversial" to air (UCC.org,
11/30/04).

The ad depicts two bouncers in front of a church letting in two white
girls and a white heterosexual couple but turning away others, including
people of color, a man in a wheelchair, and two men holding hands. A
message reads, "Jesus didn't turn people away. Neither do we." As the
camera pans over a crowd of diverse UCC members, including a woman who
puts her arm around another woman, a voiceover states, "No matter who you
are, or where you are on life's journey, you are welcome here."

Because ABC has a policy against accepting any religious advertising, UCC
did not attempt to place an ad on the network (San Francisco Chronicle,
12/2/04). Several networks accepted the ad, including ABC Family, Fox and
TNT.

According to the UCC (UCC.org, 11/30/04), CBS explained the rejection in a
letter to the group:

"Because this commercial touches on the exclusion of gay couples and other
minority groups by other individuals and organizations, and the fact that
the Executive Branch has recently proposed a constitutional amendment to
define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, this spot is
unacceptable for broadcast on the [CBS and UPN] networks."

CBS spokesperson Dana McClintock elaborated on that explanation two days
later (Newsday, 12/2/04): "If there is a public policy debate going on, as
there is on the issue of gay marriage, we do not accept advocacy
advertisements."

CBS and NBC have certainly not been consistent in their rejection of
advocacy ads. As Media Matters for America noted (6/18/04), CBS ran an ad
during the 2003 Super Bowl from the White House Drug Control Policy Agency
that suggested that casual marijuana smokers support terrorism-- a
controversial proposition, to say the least. And NBC in 1993 sold two
half-hour blocs of time to Ross Perot to criticize President Bill
Clinton's economic policies (Media Matters, 12/1/04).

But a network asserting that it would reject an ad for expressing a
political viewpoint is problematic in itself. Viacom, which owns both CBS
and UPN, has explained its policy in various ways after coming under fire
for refusing independent political ads on its networks in the past.

In October, Viacom's MTV Networks blocked an ad from the progressive group
Compare Decide Vote that compared the presidential candidates' policy
positions on issues important to young people. A Viacom spokesperson
argued that it didn't need to air such ads because "across all our
properties, we talk about these issues every day" (Media Daily News,
10/13/04).

When Viacom blocked an ad from the anti-war group Not In Our Name prior to
the Iraq War, CBS executive vice president Martin Franks argued that such
an advertising policy was necessary for a national network (New York
Times, 3/13/03): "How could you take an advocacy ad and have it reflect
the values of the entire nation?"

As FAIR has argued before, Viacom's position that its own coverage of
important political issues renders political ads unnecessary is arrogant
and unfounded (FAIR Action Alert, 10/18/04). And to argue that ads should
reflect the values of the entire nation holds them to an implausible
standard that the network's own programming would be hard-pressed to
meet-- as, for that matter, would its non-political advertising.

But in this case, it's hard to see how the UCC spot can even be considered
an advocacy ad at all. CBS makes quite a leap to interpret the UCC ad as
advocating for gay marriage or entering a public policy debate; the ad
never mentions or even implies that the gay couples featured are or wish
to be married, or that the UCC condones gay marriage. That the Bush
administration's opposition to gay marriage should lead CBS to block an ad
that simply notes a church's acceptance of gay people is astounding and troubling.

While NBC's explanation of its rejection made no mention of the Bush
administration, it did seem rather concerned with the reaction of other
churches. "The problem is not that it depicted gays, but that it suggested
clearly that there are churches that don't permit a variety of individuals
to participate," said Alan Wurtzel, president of research for NBC (Boston
Globe, 12/2/04).

It's true that the ad's metaphorical message is that some groups are not
welcomed by some churches-- and that's a reality that has been made clear
in countless news reports on various Christian sects that have barred gays
and lesbians from being ordained, prohibited gay marriages and proclaimed
their opposition to homosexuality.

By blocking an ad that acknowledges the existence of homophobia in some
churches, NBC gives extraordinary censorial power to those churches. Both
NBC and CBS set a dangerous precedent by extending their advertising
policies to block ads that might, without advocating any political
position, contradict or offend the administration or its religious allies.


ACTION: Please contact CBS and NBC and urge them to reverse the absurd
policy that deems a church's acceptance of all people to be "too
controversial" to air.

CONTACT:
Les Moonves
Chairman, CBS; co-President &amp; co-COO, Viacom
Phone: (323) 575-2345

Bob Wright
President, NBC
Phone: (212) 664-4444

As always, please remember that your comments have more impact if you
maintain a polite tone.


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Dave
12-07-2004, 11:10 AM
First I'll admit that i didn't read Matt's message, because it's long, and i'm simply too lazy. There i said! My secret shame!

This may have been covered in it, but i got the idea that the controversy wasn't about the UCC's inclusion of Gays and Minorities, but the ad's inference that other churchs ban them from their sactuaries.

TLS
12-07-2004, 11:35 AM
I found the last line amusing. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Dave
12-07-2004, 11:38 AM
Alabama's on their way back up Baby!!!!

Threadkiller
12-07-2004, 11:39 AM
I liked "But I'm A Cheerleader" a lot. Don't forget Richard Moll's part: "Larry Bear's sorry"

TLS
12-07-2004, 11:42 AM
I meant:

As always, please remember that your comments have more impact if you
maintain a polite tone.

But that's amusing too. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

Dave
12-07-2004, 11:43 AM
Ah, I knew it wasn't the Alabama thing.

Besides Deacon Blue is serious business.

karmattack
12-07-2004, 11:46 AM
http://www.snoopy.co.jp/fungames/html/images/c4b_football.gif

FanGirl
12-07-2004, 11:49 AM
Someone needs to spoof this and change the church to the FCC and not let Nicolette Sheridan, Terrel Owens, Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake in, but let in all of the Viagra salesman in.

Dave
12-07-2004, 11:50 AM
Karma that is the best picture of what happened to Auburn this year that i have seen yet.

Zens_7s
12-07-2004, 04:11 PM
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It's true that the ad's metaphorical message is that some groups are not
welcomed by some churches-- and that's a reality that has been made clear
in countless news reports on various Christian sects that have barred gays
and lesbians from being ordained, prohibited gay marriages and proclaimed
their opposition to homosexuality.


[/ QUOTE ] Cool article Matt. I am glad you posted that. Especially the quote above makes an interesting statement on what the media thinks is good advocacy.

Let's face it. The media embraces homosexuality when it makes them dollars and does not encourage advocacy if it believes it may cost them dollars.

So it's ok to have Will and Grace and Ellen because it gains them money, but don't take a chance on something if it brings religion into play. What a wierd and unsuprising double standard.

Now to derail my own topic, sort of, has anyone seen Saved? I would normally stay 1,000,000 miles from Mandy Moore, but I have friends that are saying this is well worth watching. Kind of like the "But I want to be a cheerleader" thing.

Given my love for Dogma, I dig a good religious satire.

Dave
12-07-2004, 05:04 PM
Saved is great. Don't let Mandy Moore scare you away. Great movie!!!

Mighty_Wingman
12-07-2004, 05:11 PM
Yeah just FF through the scene when Moore starts singing, the rest isn't bad at all, and touches somewhat on the topic in question.

Mostly it just pokes fun at heinously, over-zealous, Christians. And I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but : Culkin was great .

BAMSS04
12-07-2004, 05:13 PM
*Bam Slaps his hands on his cheeks*

Ahhhhhhhh!

Mighty_Wingman
12-07-2004, 05:16 PM
That was your 666th post . You were supposed to say something EVIL.

Oh I see . You were qouting Home Alone ... so you did.

BAMSS04
12-07-2004, 05:26 PM
Nohing is more evil than Home Alone. Remember someone sold there soul to Satan..... No need to finish /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

Dave
12-07-2004, 05:31 PM
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Remember someone sold there soul to Satin.....

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I once sold my soul to Velvet.

DangerSeeker
12-07-2004, 05:51 PM
Your post #1602! You were supposed to write an alternate history line that supposedly ties in with modern continuity, gets over-hyped, and winds up being a good though not overwhelming read!

marksiwel
12-07-2004, 06:46 PM
Dont worry, atleast you werent alone on that reference.

ZyronDrazil
12-07-2004, 08:02 PM
People are assholes. I've said it before. I'll say it again. WE live in a world full of people who are afraid of the truth of many things.

We live in a nation where everything has to be rated for 5 year olds. If I'm wrong why does everything that has something to do with anything past that age slapped with a warning label, parental advisory sticker.

This is not how things should be. It's all wack.

karmattack
12-08-2004, 09:09 AM
...you still post here?

jjcourtright
12-08-2004, 02:31 PM
On a somewhat similar note, my church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, asked all its' members some gay questions...I mean some questions about gays. Should the church peform weddings for homosexual couples, should we ordain pastors who are in homosexual relationships, things like that. We are supposed to find out this month what our collective voice has decided. Hopefully we will side with Zen's church!

ratm1966
12-09-2004, 12:31 AM
Affleckie.....bow....red.....wearing.....

I need a cold shower.

JK
12-09-2004, 12:54 AM
I've been in the shower all day...

Dave
12-09-2004, 11:36 AM
Well get out of there, you're getting all "pruney".

ratm1966
12-09-2004, 09:56 PM
I had a picture of Affleckie wearing nothing but a red bow in my mind and thought....Damn, this was a bad day to quit masturbating.

marksiwel
12-09-2004, 10:25 PM
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Damn, this was a bad day to quit masturbating.

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You can stop?

ratm1966
12-09-2004, 10:43 PM
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In reply to:
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Damn, this was a bad day to quit masturbating.


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You can stop?

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Actually? No. I just thought it would be cool to have an "Airplane" type reference in there.

marksiwel
12-09-2004, 10:58 PM
*sigh of relief* Wow man, dont scare me like that, you almost put my left hand out of a job.

BAMSS04
12-09-2004, 11:04 PM
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.

karmattack
12-10-2004, 11:02 AM
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We're all counting on you.

[/ QUOTE ] ...or FOR you, considering your calculators are occupied.

DangerSeeker
12-10-2004, 12:15 PM
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you almost put my left hand out of a job.

[/ QUOTE ] With the economy being what it is, pretty soon I'll have to become a two-hand-job household.

jjcourtright
01-27-2005, 04:26 PM
Zens church is in the news again because they are pro-SpongeBob. (http://www.ucc.org/news/r012405.htm)

Mighty_Wingman
01-28-2005, 07:28 AM
A sponge holding hands with a starfish ? That's not natural ! God never intended that !

They shalt taste the burn of eternal hellfire!

karmattack
01-28-2005, 09:22 AM
Oh, but dude...

They said their doors are open to Tinky Winky. I can't appreciate God if that freak is in the same room as me.

Matt1
01-30-2005, 08:07 PM
Not only that, but Starfishes are asexual! Deviants. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

Zens_7s
01-30-2005, 09:11 PM
I think that picture is a riot. Every pastor in my denomination should have a Spongebob doll in their office so I have something to play with while explaining my actions /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

I am hoping that UCC doesn't open the doors too wide for Barney. That guy is just wayyyy too friendly to not be suspect. Let's put it this way...I wouldn't let Barney run the nursery while the rest of us are in church if you catch my drift... /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif

DangerSeeker
01-31-2005, 04:56 PM
I don't care what it sings, you don't leave a dinosaur in charge of children. Ever notice there's nobody named Flintstone or Rubble anymore? Yeah. Bad choice of babysitter.

karmattack
01-31-2005, 05:01 PM
...and vacuum cleaner/toaster/hair dryer combo too.