mp3 download

[marksiwel]

So what is everyone using to download MP3's?
I am using Kazaa Lite ++
I hate it. It seems that every song wont download or is some crap version of the song I am looking for (Example I was looking for a rolling stones song I got a greenday Album! The whole damn album! WTF?)

Anyone got anything better?

[ozchick]

I've recently started using WinMX. I don't really download many songs (only 2 so far on winmx) but I like it heaps better than Kazaa. My mum uses Limewire which she says it pretty good too.

[Razorback]

I only use Limewire... well, until the music/movie industry starts monitoring it, and then I will move on to something else.

[Jason_Brown]

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It seems that every song wont download or is some crap version of the song I am looking for (Example I was looking for a rolling stones song I got a greenday Album!

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Poor baby. Why don't you just friggin' buy the album, instead of trying to digitally steal it? (Sorry, folks, but unless the recording is out of print, downloading it, without paying, is immoral.)

[Razorback]

Charging $1 for a degraded quality is no better.

I am more than happy to be immoral.

[Matthew]

Is recording cassettes off of the radio immoral too?

[Razorback]

Yup... and illegal too.

[Matthew]

Hmm, has someone been actually convicted for this?

[Razorback]

Sure. Those who tried to profit by it.

[Matthew]

So, a hypothetical question...

If a person had mp3's of various artist on his computer, and were sharing them with others, and listened to them for only his/her enjoyment, how could this be viewed as immoral?

[Razorback]

It isn't immoral. It is illegal.

Now, we can argue about the difference between morality and the law... but then that would be another topic. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

[Matthew]

SO, another question...


Does the law say I can not record cassettes off of my stereo when a song I like comes on?

[Razorback]

Yup. Also, you cannot record a program off your TV either. Which is why the new TIVO players will now automatically delete the programs after a few days. They don't want people being able to transfer the data over to a PC and then burn it to a DVD, or upload it using PTP.

The industry hopes that once tapes and VHS recorders are phased out that they will be better able to control this stuff. I hope they fail miserably... actually, I have no doubt that they will only succeed in keeping people, who would otherwise have never done anything illegal with their recordings anyway, from saving their favorite programs as they have done in the past.

[Jason_Brown]

My 500th post!

In the middle of the night, no less!

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Charging $1 for a degraded quality is no better.


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So, it's better to pay nothing to the artist?

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Does the law say I can not record cassettes off of my stereo when a song I like comes on?


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Technically, this would be illegal. Aside from "time-shifting" (where you temporarily tape a tv program to watch at a later time, with the implied promise that you aren't building a library), most other recordings would violate copyright laws. In practicallity, however, unless you try to sell the recordings, you probably won't be busted.

[Matthew]

So, why not abolish TV tuner / cable cards for your computer?

[Jason_Brown]

They're working on it.

[Matthew]

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So, it's better to pay nothing to the artist?

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In most cases, this dollar goes not to the artist, but the site. ( i.e. Napster)

So, if I opened my own site, charged a dollar for downloading of the song, and gave like 1 cent for every 2 downloads from the same artist, that is moral?

Most of my mp3's are from cds I already own, or to make a compilation for listening in the car. I do not profit from this. How is this immoral? Illegal perhaps, but not immoral.

[Jason_Brown]

Personal use is neither illegal, nor, in my opinion, immoral. (I.e., there's nothing wrong with making mp3's out of your cd's, for the car. I've got about 500 cd's in my ipod.)

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So, if I opened my own site, charged a dollar for downloading of the song, and gave like 1 cent for every 2 downloads from the same artist, that is moral?


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Did you negotiate with that artist? Did they agree to the terms of your deal?

[Matthew]

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Sorry, folks, but unless the recording is out of print, downloading it, without paying, is immoral

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Then


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Personal use is neither illegal, nor, in my opinion, immoral.

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Which is it if I download it for my personal use?

[Jason_Brown]

"Personal use" refers to making an a copy of a recording that YOU ALREADY OWN! Don't play semantics with me, monkey-boy! /forums/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Matthew]

I am not playing semantics with you lady bug, I am just wondering where you stand.

If I record a song off of the radio, is this immoral?


I also have a case in point scenario for you... a while back a major rock group took one of my songs I wrote for them in the studio, and did not pay me a dime. (I was playing around, they said "no, we don't like that" I said OK), only to have that song 6 months later being played in the top 5 on the charts. IF I download that song, is that immoral? Even though I wrote the song in the first place?

How about if others dl this song? In case you are thinking ( ya right, this never happens..) a LOT of studio musicians write songs that they never get credit for.


YET, it is immoral to dl songs the artists never wrote...

[Jason_Brown]

Of course, I don't have a problem with you downloading your "stolen" song. I just don't see the inequities of the music industry as a general justification for the mass stealing of recordings.

I am a child of the '80's. I grew up making mix-tapes off of the radio, and taping my uncles' albums. As I grew older, I realized, it wasn't terribly fair to the artists, to own these recordings. I purchased the albums I really liked, and disposed of the remaining tapes. Admittedly, I'm a bit of a freak.

Where do I stand? I don't have too much of a problem with "close sharing", i.e. giving your friend a copy of a song you like (although I would often caveat such a gift with a request that they buy the album if they like the song).

I draw the line at sharing the song with ten million of your friends. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

[Razorback]

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So, it's better to pay nothing to the artist?

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I don't pay the artist when I record a song off the radio and listen to it 1,000 times. Plus, the artist gets how much from the royalties of a song? Less than a penny?

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there's nothing wrong with making mp3's out of your cd's

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Yet.

[Jason_Brown]

Wow. You're a genuine Robin Hood. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

[Razorback]

Wow. You're a genuine Sheriff of Nottingham. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

[Matthew]

SO, is it ok to dl a song for your personal use, or to share with a friend or 2?

[Jason_Brown]

[Bangs head on table.]

Please stop incorrectly summarizing my posts. When did I ever say it was okay to download a song you don't own?

[Matthew]

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Where do I stand? I don't have too much of a problem with "close sharing", i.e. giving your friend a copy of a song you like (although I would often caveat such a gift with a request that they buy the album if they like the song).


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How is this different than dling a song? Say a friend "Christy" tells me a song that she likes, but does not have a sharing space, so she tells me "go HERE and listen."

[Jason_Brown]

If you listened to the song, liked it, and bought the album, then no problem.

If you listened to the song, hated it, and deleted it from your hard-drive, then no problem.

If you build-up your music collection primarily from un-paid for music, I have a problem.

Do you really believe all music should be free?

[Razorback]

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If you build-up your music collection primarily from un-paid for music, I have a problem.

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Too bad.

[Jason_Brown]

I don't want to change the world
I'm not looking for a new England
I'm just looking for another girl
Looking for another girl...

[Threadkiller]

Did you get permission to share those lyrics? I kid I kid.

Technology is going to make it harder and harder for people to maintain the rights to their intellectual property whether it's moral or not. I'm happy about it.

See, this is going to put an end to the megalithic studio system and start letting small bands have a chance to make some money again. No longer is a band dependent on the sponsorship of some agency that will get them played on a radio or the MTV. Now a local band can put a few songs on their website for free, hawk their album or pay downloads, merchandise and they get all the profit minus overhead. I think ultimately this is a good thing for the music industry. I'm tired of manufactured music. The internet is the return to the golden age of radio when an independent station could play obscure stuff instead of clearing it with Clear Channel first.

I for one welcome our new alien overlords.

[Razorback]

You know when I won't download a mp3? When it is an Internet only release (where the artist is not selling a CD). Then I consider downloading the mp3 to be stealing from the artist.

[FanGirl]

I've gone a full year and a half since I downloaded a song legal or not. I have to say I was buying a hell of a lot more CDs when I was downloading music for free. I'd try a couple songs and then I'd run out and buy the CDs. I got hooked on a lot of artists I never would have heard of otherwise, but I know not everyone was using it that way so I understand the crack downs.

I do think the music industry needs to take a long look at their pricing. When 12 songs cost more than a full loaded DVD with a ton of extras, there need to be some changes made.

If CDs when down to being around 9.99, they would sell a lot easier. $19.99 is ridiculious especially when there is really only one good song on it. Sure they wouldn't make as much money, but aren't they losing money on all these lawsuits anyway?

[Robbo_the_Hood]

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Do you really believe all music should be free?

[/ QUOTE ] Hell fuckin' yes it should be. I know it won't be free, I understand the need to support the artists, but the only people pissing and moaning about not getting any money from file sharing already have multi-million dollar record contracts. Those people stopped recording music for the love of the art form long ago.

The people I know that are still struggling to make ends meet while they make fantastic music put their songs on-line for free because they would kill for any ammount of exposure.

While I do not download songs from the internet, I would have no problem with it. Who is a multi-millionaire to complain that someone is cutting into their action? It's someone who cares more about money than making music, and nothing I would want to corrupt my ears in the first place.

[marksiwel]

soooooooooooooooooo...*looks at a very simple topic, that some how turned into WW3*
Where do you download limewire? Does it install cookies? Or spyware? Whats it smell like?

[ratm1966]

I still use Kazaa Lite. I don't normally have problems with getting songs off of it, but my daughter does. I really don't think it is the program used to download them, it is the quality of the file that people are sharing out. It is also those bastards that mislabel the file, so you think you are downloading something from AC/DC and you end up with John Tesh.

[in_diana_jones]

I use torrents to download music mostly, but the P2P software I use is soulseek. It allows you to download albums, which I find pretty neat.

[Matt1]

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If you listened to the song, liked it, and bought the album, then no problem.

If you listened to the song, hated it, and deleted it from your hard-drive, then no problem.

If you build-up your music collection primarily from un-paid for music, I have a problem.

Do you really believe all music should be free?

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You and I are of a like mind, my friend. Looks like we're the minority.

[towelie99]

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so you think you are downloading something from AC/DC and you end up with John Tesh.

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Sure, ratm, sure, blame it on mislabeled files!

[ratm1966]

That has never happened to me before...the John Tesh thingy....however, I have downloaded a song, which showed up as an MP3 file, but when I played it, it was a porn video. Luckily my daughter wasn't around at the time.

[towelie99]

Did you keep it?