So glorious, Glorious

[ILovePapaSmurf]

<font color="purple">The Star Wars DVDS are so beautiful, great picture, great sound and oh my lord, amazing. I am in love. Oh please Tuesday, come quickly so I could glaze in the beautifulness of the wonder I love, but not as much as the Lucas lover himself, RB.

P.S. Greedo still should have shot first.</font color>

[RobinHoodDaffy]

So torn. I want to fall in love, I honestly do.....But I do want my movies back. I realize they are gone forever, but my old tapes of the O.T. are gone like dust in the wind. Sigh, much mulling this one has yet to do, I think.


By the way, I survived a week and a half in Mississippi, and am now back where it is cold and damp. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

[Razorback]

To quote Lucas from two days ago:

"The special edition, that's the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it's on VHS, if anybody wants it. ... I'm not going to spend the, we're talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn't really exist anymore. It's like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be. I'm the one who has to take responsibility for it. I'm the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they're going to throw rocks at me, they're going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished.."

They are gone. So get with the program, stop being difficult because of four scene changes that add up to less than a minute of film time and buy these AWESOME DVD's.

The little Episode III preview (which doesn't show much) has an awesome final few minutes... Here... right click and save target. (http://piazza.iae.nl/users/martijng/Dit%20is%20de%20homepage%20van_files/BirthOfDarthVader-MillenniumFalcon.com.avi)

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P.S. Greedo still should have shot first.

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He still does. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

[RobinHoodDaffy]

Somehow I knew that was gonna draw you in. Like chum to a shark. As I said, I know they are gone forever! It now becomes a matter of do I want to spend money for what I feel to be an inferior product with a high gloss finish.

What will happen in my case, I am sure, is that I will rent them and see if I feel that they are worth new dollars. If so, I will buy them with glee and a song in my heart. If not, Blockbuster can hold my copy untill I get the Jedi urge.

It amounts to a matter of taste. Much like the "Trading Spaces" of the world, I wouldn't let my friends with different taste fuck up my house, why would I want any one to tamper with any work of art that meant anything to me. As I have said before, anytime an artist releases art into the world, it does not belong to them anymore, it belongs to anyone who views the art, as it becomes a part of the life of the viewer. I did not like it when they colored "Yankee Doodle Dandy" I did not need a "Scarlett" to finish "Gone with the Wind" I do not need a new "Longest Yard" so for all of these I chose not to take part with my dollar. I will now make up my mind as what to do with this newest change to my childhood.

[Razorback]

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Somehow I knew that was gonna draw you in. Like chum to a shark

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You are crafty like a Batman villain.

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As I said, I know they are gone forever! It now becomes a matter of do I want to spend money for what I feel to be an inferior product with a high gloss finish.

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Ok, don't buy it.

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why would I want any one to tamper with any work of art that meant anything to me.

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It is not your work of art.

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As I have said before, anytime an artist releases art into the world, it does not belong to them anymore, it belongs to anyone who views the art

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Bull. It always belongs to the artist unless he sells you the rights to his art. If you buy a painting then the painting is yours. If you buy a ticket to a movie the theater, chair, and film is not yours. When you buy a VHS or DVD the only thing you own is the media on which the film is saved. The movie is simply leased by you to watch as many times as you own the product. You never own the film... well, unless you pay millions to the person who does. At which point you can do whatever you want with it.

People have tried this "art belongs to the people" before by comparing the movies to a single production that cannot be mass produced without devaluing it. All arguments of that type are either ignorant or disingenuous. The other movies are on VHS. Enjoy them.

[DarthMaulRat]

Hey, RB, you would probably know the answer to this. I remeber hearing awhile back that parts of the movies would be rescored for the DVD's, namely Ep. IV which is noticably missing the Imperial march. Is this still true? All I ever hear in the reviews is what scenes were added/deleted, not a word about the music.

[Droogan_Leader]

RB, I'm wondering why I should invest in *this* set, if (and I'm going on a hunch here--I'm not sure) Lucas is going to release a set with all six films, after Episode III is released.

I'm all for buying Star Wars on DVD--I have both VHS sets, and I am really ready--but my wallet can't afford two DVD sets. Is there something really special about this set in particular?

[ILovePapaSmurf]

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He still does.

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<font color="purple">Well, isn't my face red because I did not even notice. I will have to check them out again once I get home.

P.S. I think out of all three, Empire looks the best. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif</font color>

[RobinHoodDaffy]

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You are crafty like a Batman villain.

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Damn Skippy!

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Ok, don't buy it.


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Hmmm...Why didn't I just say that? Oh wait I did! Must be one of those clever Batman villan tricks of saying exactly what I planned to do. I am better than I thought!

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It is not your work of art.

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Unlike some of the mouth-breathers that hang out in comic shops, I never claimed to have anything to do with the production of any of the Star Wars films, so you are correct. However, what I get from them, my feelings and reactions are mine alone. In that conjuntion between visual manipulation of images and viewer the art becomes a joint experience. It is not unlike a remix of a song. If the song has a solid structure, you may or may not like the new structure, it may kill the part of the song that caught your ear. Having not seen the DVD's, I am unable to make an informed opinion, yet.
As I have said before, I am planning to view them and make my monitary evaluation based on reaction to said moving images and my reation forthwith.

So riddle me this, Razorblunder, what the hell is so wrong about saying I want to see the changes for myself?

[FanGirl]

They shoot at the same time. It's still not like the original.

I would like to know the reason that he changed again for the dvd was the technology just not there in 1997 for them to shoot at the same time?

[TLS]

Don't know if you already know, but there's a few books with short stories of different characters and one of the books has Greedo's story in it. It's been a while since I've read it, but I remember it being pretty cool. The one he is in is called 'Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina'. The book actually tells a story of most of the characters seen in that scene of Ep4. It was interesting to learn more about the characters and what events happened to them that lead them to the Cantina that day.

[ILovePapaSmurf]

<font color="purple">See, Fan, that is what I thought, but now that RB said that, it got me thinking. I was just amazed at the color and sound. Its really pretty.</font color>

[Dave]

I remember reading that, if i recall correctly, all the storys sort of interwove with each other as well.

In the original version, didn't Greedo not shoot at all? Han, just offed him in cold blood right?

[Razorback]

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Hey, RB, you would probably know the answer to this. I remeber hearing awhile back that parts of the movies would be rescored for the DVD's, namely Ep. IV which is noticably missing the Imperial march. Is this still true? All I ever hear in the reviews is what scenes were added/deleted, not a word about the music.

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There is no rescoring that I can hear. The Imperial March is not in ANH. There does seem to be some sound changes here and there but nothing I really noticed. As much of a Star Wars fan as I am, I am not the type that picks apart every scene.

[Razorback]

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I'm all for buying Star Wars on DVD--I have both VHS sets, and I am really ready--but my wallet can't afford two DVD sets. Is there something really special about this set in particular?

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Wait... you can't afford a $40 set now and then a $70 set in three years? Put a nickle in a jar everyday for three years and you will be fine. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

There is a rumor that he will release a 6-box set in May of 2007 to celebrate the 30th anniversary. It will include more additions/changes to all of the films. So if you are confident that you will survive to see 2007 and are not that big of a fan of these movies (and don't want the most amazing quality picture and sound) then wait.

[Razorback]

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They shoot at the same time. It's still not like the original.

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Nope. They do not. Greedo still shoots first. However, Han fires right after (sooner than in the SE). It makes much more sense than did the SE and hopefully, some day, Lucas can make the shots so close that not even pausing frame-by-frame will reveal who fired first. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

[Dr3vil]

I don't care if they shoot at the same time, I still consider it Lucas shitting on my childhood. Han shooting first litterally forced me to redefine my entire concept of heroism when such an obvious good guy could be such a dirty, rotten scoundrel. Having been raised in a Christian school, it was the first time the concept of a moral gray area had ever met my conception and holds a special place in my heart. I realize Lucas is fully justified in taking that from me, and releasing any revision of the trilogy he damn well pleases, I just don't like paying for it.

I'm first going to see about getting a copy of Empire apart from the pack, that redux was just smashing and is more than ever head and shoulders above the rest of the trilogy. Besides, half of everyone I know is getting the trilogy, so buying the whole thing would be redundant too.

...and you never know, maybe one of these days he'll die and his greedy estate will starting hawking every version of the films they can find /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

[Dave]

It's sad to hope for that, but wouldn't it be nice.

[Razorback]

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I don't care if they shoot at the same time, I still consider it Lucas shitting on my childhood.

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You are STILL A CHILD!

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Han shooting first litterally forced me to redefine my entire concept of heroism when such an obvious good guy could be such a dirty, rotten scoundrel. Having been raised in a Christian school, it was the first time the concept of a moral gray area had ever met my conception and holds a special place in my heart. I realize Lucas is fully justified in taking that from me, and releasing any revision of the trilogy he damn well pleases, I just don't like paying for it.

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Riiiight.

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I'm first going to see about getting a copy of Empire apart from the pack

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Oh no! But Lucas rapes your childhood yet again when he changes your precious Monkey Woman Emperor and even changes the dialogue (OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!). Stay away before Lucas destroyes your teenage years too.

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...and you never know, maybe one of these days he'll die and his greedy estate will starting hawking every version of the films they can find

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It will never happen. Lucas has put it in his will. You can now go cry in your Frosted Flakes.

[ILovePapaSmurf]

<font color="purple">FanGirl, I bow down to you star wars goddes for you are right, and RB was wrong. It looks pretty shitty actually.

And at the end of Jedi with Hayden as Ani, it doesn't look right either. *sigh*</font color>

[Razorback]

Well, I don't agree. So that makes me right.

[ILovePapaSmurf]

<font color="purple">Well, Mr. Know-it-All, you are wrong, so deal with it, ok. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif</font color>

[Razorback]

I have no idea what I am wrong about though... you just stated that I was wrong, but not about what.

[TLS]

I know in the book Greedo shot first and missed (he hit right above Han's shoulder). Besides going after him for bounty, Greedo was already pissed at Han for stealing his jacket.