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PftLBritt

07-22-2004, 09:28 PM

I'll agree with QotSA. But Revolver & Van Halen/Hagar are basic rock bands. If you listen to Bounce by Bon Jovi, ther are some rock tunes but overall, they're leaning more towards pop.

woo_wannabe

07-22-2004, 09:46 PM

Yeah I agree. Bands like then have become extremely commercialised lately and have lost their original sound, all thanks to dickheads who just want to make money off them. Shame shame shame. /forums/images/icons/mad.gif

ratm1966

07-22-2004, 09:48 PM

To me, Bon Jovi has always been rock/pop. They were never metal. In those days, metal was Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc.

PftLBritt

07-22-2004, 09:51 PM

I should've said Hair Metal since they basically defined the genre.

ratm1966

07-22-2004, 09:54 PM

You said Hair Metal in your earlier post, I just never considered that metal of any type. Just a big hair Rock/Pop band.

winky465

07-22-2004, 10:01 PM

from a girls point of view or just mine bon jovis har back then looked cool i think i did any way

winky465

07-22-2004, 10:03 PM

what i ment to say was his hair looked cool

PftLBritt

07-22-2004, 10:03 PM

Sorry, it been a long day and I'm putting off the Shoot column due to writer's block. I understand your distain for lumping in non-traditional groups into Metal but when they broke, there was no real rock; just Classic '60-'70 Rock. Maybe VH but no real rockers in the mid to late 80's. Their music (Farenheit & Slippery) was more of the Metal side than what was Rock.

ratm1966

07-22-2004, 10:12 PM

Yeah, I guess a few of the songs could be considered that, but for the most part, I am not sure. Maybe if they had some harder lyrics to go with the music, I would agree more, but to me, their lyrics seemed more in tune with chick songs than being hard rock/metal.

I guess what I am trying to say is, their lyrics didn't match the music. They had a hard rockin sound, then they opened their mouths and ruined it.

winky465

07-22-2004, 10:14 PM

I would agree with you ,and some of the songs sound repetitive, but there still good well i think they are

PftLBritt

07-22-2004, 10:24 PM

Would you consider them a more successful White Lion?

Scratch that. Now that I think of it, Jovi's & Def Leppard's career paths are very similar, don't cha think?

ratm1966

07-22-2004, 10:27 PM

Yes, I can agree with that. However, Def Lepperd did have more songs with harder lyrics to go with their harder music. I still wouldn't class them as metal though. Maybe Hard Rock though.

PftLBritt

07-22-2004, 10:36 PM

Well, Lep's first three records (Sorry, it still hard to call them CDs) had hard lyrics. But Hysteria? "Love Bits"? "Animal"? "Hysteria"? "Two Steps Behind"? Although I think that Lep had to change their style to accomodate Rick, they still started turning the corner into the pop realm when Hair Metal/Rock came into being. And don't get me started on Adrenalize.

ratm1966

07-22-2004, 10:45 PM

Yeah, they definitely went the way of Pop. I actually bought the "X" cd in the hopes they might have gone back to their Hard Rock roots. But alas, I was disappointed. It is bad when the closest song to Hard Rock on the album is a song called "Cry".

PftLBritt

07-22-2004, 10:54 PM

Yup, I was snookered as well since I really enjoyed Euphoria and I should've known by looking at X's credits that they were self-producing this one and Mutt was out of the picture. No Mutt = Bad CD.

ratm1966

07-22-2004, 11:00 PM

In all actuality, I thought "X" was just about equal to a Bryan Adams CD. Damn, that just sent shivers through my body. To actually think that Def Leppard is now comparable to Bryan Adams.

PftLBritt

07-22-2004, 11:07 PM

LOL. Another "rocker" who went soft in the 90's. I loved "Like a Knife", "Reckless" and "Into The Fire" but then came "Everything I Do". You might have well given him a lifetime subscription to Wuss Monthly. Total waste.

ratm1966

07-22-2004, 11:12 PM

Yeah, Pop music seemed to poison a lot of hard rockin' souls. Pop is to music like dog shit is to my shoe.....stuck on the bottom.

Razorback

07-23-2004, 08:05 AM

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C'mon, they're barely have a foot in the proverbial rock pool. Groups like QotSA, Velvet Revolver and even the reappearance of VH are really Rock.

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Well, we could argue for the next few weeks what makes something "really" rock, but Bon Jovi is rock. They are just a very poppy rock.

Tongue

07-23-2004, 02:04 PM

I think they all started to realize that Soft Rock ballards and
Movie love songs were what really brings in the money. Look at Aerosmith scince Crazy.

TomHarrington

07-23-2004, 02:10 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Well, we could argue for the next few weeks what makes something "really" rock

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Tempting.

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but Bon Jovi is rock.

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To the extent that Taco Bell can be considered authentic Mexican cuisine, yeah, Bon Jovi is Rock.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
They are just a very poppy rock.

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Poppy is one way to describe them.

PftLBritt

07-23-2004, 02:16 PM

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To the extent that Taco Bell can be considered authentic Mexican cuisine, yeah, Bon Jovi is Rock.

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Yes, what an excellent analogy. Agree 100%.

Zens_7s

07-23-2004, 02:17 PM

Ahh Bon Jovi.

As I was telling RATM the other night (after the third Bon Jovi song in a 30 min. period came on) I think one of two things has happened to me since I moved to Texas:

1) My big hair and 85 IROC are actually buried FM transmitters that are able to locate hair bands and instantly make them come on the radio or on the bar jukebox; or
2) People are really digging Bon Jovi down here

Or maybe it's because I walk these streets, a loaded six string on my back. Tough call.

I love my cheezy rock in small doses, but I don't consider it quality. Bad is fun sometimes, hence why fast food is still around. Maybe Tom has the best analogy:
Bon Jovi is to Rock what Taco Bell is to Mexican.

TomHarrington

07-23-2004, 02:45 PM

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Or maybe it's because I walk these streets, a loaded six string on my back. Tough call.

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A friend of mine used to think they sang, "On a stale horse I ride..."

His mind reacts like spell check when it encounters an unknown, which is to say he doesn't use context to determine the variable, just spelling, or in this case, the sound of the word. Stale horse? What could that possibly mean?

But I agree with you about bad things. As much as I profess to hate anything in the entertainment world, I usually enjoy hating it on some level, sometimes to the point where it's very existence provides a measure of comfort and sense of security.

PftLBritt

07-23-2004, 09:07 PM

While Bon Jovi is somewhat cheesy, there are others (in no particular order):
<ul type="square">
E'Nuff Z'Nuff
Poison
David Lee Roth's solo work
aforementioned White Lion
Grim Reaper
Yngwie Malmsteen (Odessey CD only)
Bulletboys
Warrant
Anything by Desmond Child
Europe
Stryper
[/list]

If you can't tell, I'm a purveyor of all metal that is cheesy. Scary, isn't it?

DarthMaulRat

07-23-2004, 09:39 PM

Bon Jovi certainly fits cheesy, because he was on the wave of rock that realized it couldn't take itself too seriously (thank you Spinal Tap). But some of the bands like Pantera or (to a lesser extent) Poison thought they were totally serious at one point, so while they are cheesy now, they weren't at the time.

Frankly, its hard to narrow a single piece of music down to one genre, no matter how many genres we have. Just looking at my rock categories on Media player I have:

Classic Rock
Pop Rock
Rock
Rock & Roll
Alternative Rock
Symphonic Rock
Hard Rock
Metal (okay, doesn't have the word rock in it)
Punk Rock

Even with those, I still have problems classifying half of my music. I tried sticking U2's Discotheque into a category a few days ago and got stuck. Is it Alternative music, Alternative Rock, Electronica, Funk? It has characteristics of each but can't really be said to be more of one genre than the other.

RobinHoodDaffy

07-25-2004, 05:36 PM

Sorry this is a few days old, but I haven't been here to join in. I have thought for years that the term "Hair Metal" was a misnomer. It was such a all incompassing term that came to mean all Rock for a time. Pop has now become a dirty word that means hollow overproduced trite. Personally I want the term back! The Beatles were pop. The Rolling Stones were pop. I would call Bon Jovi pop. Not that they are the same caliber as The Stones or The Beatles, mind you but rock that is popular and fairly basic.
As far as cheesy rock/metal bands go, you left out

-Faster Pussycat
-Babylon A.D.
-L.A. Guns
-Jetboy
-Brittney Fox
-Cinderella
-Winger
-Vixen
-Mammoth
-White Skull
-Death Angel
-OverKill
...and the list goes on....

PftLBritt

07-25-2004, 08:46 PM

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-Faster Pussycat
-Babylon A.D.
-L.A. Guns
-Jetboy
-Brittney Fox
-Cinderella
-Winger
-Vixen
-Mammoth
-White Skull
-Death Angel
-OverKill

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To continue the list,
<ul type="square"> Kingdom Come
Great White
Skid Row
Raging Slab
Crue
Whitesnake
Hurricane
Tangier

And my personal favorite (since they used to play them to death here in Metro DC)

KIX
[/list]

After seeing how many of these bands I knew off the top of my head, I know that I'm sick in the head. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

ratm1966

07-25-2004, 10:45 PM

I just think that when the metal bands first started getting that big hair, and were getting the chicks, a lot of groups started going big hair. Because of this, they were lumped into the "Hair Metal" category even though they were Pop/Rock.

Zens_7s

07-26-2004, 10:36 AM

I see your Warrant, and I raise you Firehouse:

http://www.hardharderheavy.de/pics/firehouse_firehouse.jpg
Baby, don't treat me bad!

PftLBritt

07-26-2004, 10:58 AM

I see your Firehouse and raise you Slaughter
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000003JB3.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
You've got to fly,
Fly to the angels

and a Vinnie Vincent's Invasion

http://i23.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/d6/1d/c4_1.JPG

Love kills the fire's gone
Dying embers still remain
Love kills and now you're gone
Girl, I'll never be the same again

Jason_Brown

07-26-2004, 11:30 AM

How about a little

http://www.nolifetilmetal.com/images/frcmt.jpg

PftLBritt

07-26-2004, 11:52 AM

Damn work SmartFilters.. /forums/images/icons/mad.gif Can't see the image. What is it?

Jason_Brown

07-26-2004, 12:01 PM

Frehley's Comet. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

PftLBritt

07-26-2004, 01:07 PM

I'll see your Frehley and raise you a MSG
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004U86B.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Love is not a game

RobinHoodDaffy

07-26-2004, 01:20 PM

First of all, it is FREH-ley, not FREE-ley. Still, I see your MSG and raise you a NITRO!
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000008IZB.01._PE_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

and a DANGER DANGER

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000026KZ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

PftLBritt

07-26-2004, 01:33 PM

Correction made (I knew that but was typing quickly to avoid detection at work). So, I'll see your Nitro & Danger Danger and raise you a Contraband
http://www.sleazeroxx.com/bands/contraband/contra.jpg
and a Killer Dwarfs
http://www.sleazeroxx.com/bands/killerdwarfs/standtall.jpg

RobinHoodDaffy

07-26-2004, 01:42 PM

okay, so you wanna play that way, eh, well I raise you a Dangerous Toys,
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000026RH.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

AND a Tora Tora!

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002GIL.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Jason_Brown

07-26-2004, 01:55 PM

How about a Lita Ford:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002W9N.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

and an Alcatrazz:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000006Z1X.01._PE_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

PftLBritt

07-26-2004, 02:48 PM

The gaunlet has been dropped. I'll see your Dangerous Toys & Tora Tora and raise you:

Bonham
http://www.sleazeroxx.com/bands/bonham/disregard.jpg

and Bang Tango
http://www.sleazeroxx.com/bands/bangtango/psycho.jpg

PftLBritt

07-26-2004, 02:55 PM

I'll take your Lita and Alcatraz and raise it with:

Femme Fetale
http://www.sleazeroxx.com/bands/femmefatale/femme.jpg

and Shotgun Messiah
http://www.sleazeroxx.com/bands/shotgunmessiah/shotgun.jpg

karmattack

07-26-2004, 03:06 PM

Methinks sleazerbox does not like thier pictures linked.

PftLBritt

07-26-2004, 03:21 PM

You're probably right but I'm at work and feeling lazy.

karmattack

07-26-2004, 03:36 PM

Oh, I meant that your picture links aren't showing up.

/big red X of doom.

Jason_Brown

07-26-2004, 03:38 PM

I'll raise you a Racer X:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000106A.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

and a Blue Murder:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000000OR9.01._PE8_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

PftLBritt

07-26-2004, 04:10 PM

Due to the Red X O' Death, I'll try a different tact.

I'll see your Racer X and Blue Murder and raise you:

Keel,
http://i19.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/29/af/7f_2.JPG

Y&T
http://i3.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/b7/89/a8_2.JPG

and Ugly Kid Joe
http://i5.ebayimg.com/03/c/00/c1/83/39_7.JPG

Razorback

07-26-2004, 04:47 PM

Baby, don't treat me bad!

Wait... I thought you wanted me to treat you "bad!"

Jason_Brown

07-26-2004, 05:10 PM

I didn't want to have to do this, but I've gotta drop the Nelson bomb:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002858ZW.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

PftLBritt

07-26-2004, 05:27 PM

Ughhh!! They would be considered a trump of any hand..

Unless someone else drops the two-fisted fury that is

Bad English
http://i24.ebayimg.com/03/c/00/c1/d3/bc_9.JPG

and Damn Yankees
http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/c/00/c1/b1/64_7.JPG

straight2video

07-26-2004, 06:01 PM

yup pop rock

Jason_Brown

07-26-2004, 06:32 PM

Two crappy early-'90's super-groups? By the Hoary Hosts of Haggoth! Noooooo!

Next time, Mr. DaShit. Next time...

Mighty_Wingman

07-26-2004, 07:51 PM

Oh, you just had to pull out that "Nelson " didn't you ?

I don't know if I can ever forgive you the horrible atrocity you've just committied. You could've really hurt someone posting that stuff.

All that was left in the deck was a Queensryche and an Armored Saint. So , I'll fold.

Zens_7s

07-26-2004, 07:57 PM

Trixster! Feel they sting babies!

Well hey hey baby, tell me what's your name...from the way you look and the way you dress I can tell you ain't got no shame...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002O6X.01._PE_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

PftLBritt

07-26-2004, 08:19 PM

Don't forget Extreme

http://i3.ebayimg.com/03/c/00/c1/e3/d1_9.JPG

More than words,
Is all you have to do to make it real,
Then you wouldn't have to say that you love me
'Cause I'd already know

PftLBritt

07-26-2004, 08:26 PM

And I even forgot the worse of them...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002IQS.01._PE_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I'm the one who wants to be with you
Deep inside I hope you feel it too
Waited on a line of greens and blues
Just to be the next to be with you

RobinHoodDaffy

07-27-2004, 02:17 AM

You guys got too happy while I was at work, so I must summon forth LEATHERWOLF!
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000035X5Y.01._PE_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

KINGDOM COME!

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001Q5YDQ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

DOKKEN!

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002H3E.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

AAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNDDDDDDDD...

TESLA!

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001FVER2.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Arise, my Army of undead music. Arise and conquer! Bwah ha ha ha!

BAMSS04

07-27-2004, 12:22 PM

I can not believe you brought Extreme (http://radio.terra.com.br/busca/musicas.php?musica=More%20Than%20Words) out, it has to be on my best of the one hit wonders list.

4th or 5th one down...give it a listen and see if it doesn't take you back.... Man I'm having visions of High School

PftLBritt

07-27-2004, 03:37 PM

Sure, pick the easy ones. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif The new Tesla CD is not bad, actually. Very listenable.

PftLBritt

07-27-2004, 03:41 PM

I'm of the mindset that Extreme is not a one-hit wonder. They had quasi-hits with Kid Ego, Hole-Hearted, and Stop The World. For their time, they were pretty good. Nuno is a fiend on the axe. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif