Pearl Jam Political Views

[SOCOMKronos]

Anyone one been to a live show yet this year? Why does everyone harp on the Dixie Chicks and not Pearl Jam? Every true fan knows there political views, but they still boo the tirades by Eddie V. at the concerts. Me, I just want to have a good time and listen to good music. I hear enough political B.S. at work, on T.V., etc.

[Razorback]

Isn't it obvious? A large portion of the country music base is republican. Most of the grunge fan base is either left, liberal democrat or clueless about politics.

RB

[Adam_Poch]

You gotta admit, insulting the Prez in Texas is a moronic move.

[Razorback]

They were not in Texas. I think had they insulted him in the US that the insanity would not have been as bad. Most people were pissed off at them making the comments in another country... and also their fan base was/is largely made up of Bush supporters.

RB

[SOCOMKronos]

Insults? Hey, I don't agree with everything..but I love my country. There is no other place I would rather live. Bushleaguer! Many times.....Until now..I guess the boo's got to the band, or popular opinion did!

[Jessica]

I like the Roosevelt quote one of the "Chicks" used in an interview.

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

[Matt1]

I don't have a problem with somebody speaking with their wallet. If the Dixie Chix or Pearl Jam or Tim Robbins say something you don't like, than don't buy thier album or see their movies. Make an individual choice.

What I do have a problem with is people organizing, mobbing up with no other purpose then to destroy somebody. It is reminiscent of McCarthyism. And I don't throw the word "McCarthyism" around lightly.

I'm not saying that I'm agasinst organized protests of any knd. Organized protest of any kind of civil and political injustice is cool in my book. For example a the protest of Apartheid or the bus-boycotts in the '50s. Organized protest with the sole goal of destroying someone's career just because you disagree with their viewpoint is not cool.

Just my two cents.

[Razorback]

Then let the truth speak before the unobjective. What the Dixie Chicks said had nothing to do with truth.

It is a great quote and I agree with it but the fact that one of the Dixie Chicks used it as an argument for their comments shows a lack of awareness on their part about their own statements.

What they said was opprobrious and not authoritative.

RB

[Jessica]

Looks like you're not alone.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0423-08.htm

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[DangerSeeker]

Very nice article. I'm seeing similar rational conversations spring up here and there lately, now that both sides are letting people know where they stand. Even at the bar I go to, where lefts are outnumbered by rights four to one, there's sympaty and concession on both sides on certain points. Celebs talking out may be annoying to some, but it gets discussion going.

[Tongue]

yeah. what he said.

[Jessica]

The truth is a very subjective thing sometimes. The Dixie Chicks have nothing to apologise for, in my opinion. In your opinion, they do.

But since I don't like your opinion, I am organising a boycott against you. Not only will I not respond to any of your posts, but I am encouraging anybody who doesn't like your opinion, on a variety of subjects, to ALSO not respond to you. Who's with me?

[Jessica]

Yeah, I thought it was a hopeful little article!

[Tongue]

I've got ya back Jessica. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

[BrianLynch]

I'll join the boycott. Can we organize a formal protest on the steps of Ryall's house?

[Razorback]

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The Dixie Chicks have nothing to apologise for, in my opinion. In your opinion, they do.

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Absolutely wrong. I have never said that they should apologize. The only thing that I have said is that they should have stuck to their comments (instead of backtracking or apologizing) and that they are suffering the backlash of a people who support the President (a large portion of their fan base).

I will never support the suppression of speech. I respect the people who spoke out against the war and who continue to speak out against the President. I disagree with many of them but then that is part of the foundation of this nations freedoms.

RB

[Tongue]

RB I understand what u r saying and where as u r right when u said about not backtracking it was said in a different thread and so they can be forgiven for thinking u have given the impression that u think they should apologise.

[jjcourtright]

Hey Chris, can you put u on the list of banned words? He can type out "backtracking" but not "you". What is that about?

[Tongue]

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[jjcourtright]

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[Tongue]

How many replies would I get to a post like that I wonder???? maybe they would all be [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] now that would be a very confusing but noe less interesting thread

[DangerSeeker]

It's hard to have a protest without some form of chant. I went to one of the marches, and learned what a vital part of the process it is. You'd need something like "Razorback is ham on toast! Please prevent another post!" or "Vengeful posts, mean replies, that kind of thing doesn't fly!"

Not that I'm getting involved. I was a crappy protester.

[Matt1]

I also believe the Dixie Chix shouldn't of backtracked. If I say something, I stand by it unless proven wrong. I don't backdown because a lot of people disagree with me.

I support a celebrities right to say whatever they want. I do not support people actually caring what celebrities think, though. I mean, why should I give a shit what Tom Selleck or Rosie O'Donnel think about gun control? They're celebrities. Jesus Christ, they're practically dancing monkeys.

I thought that Bull Durham stuff was [censored] up. It's a great movie, definetly the best baseball movie, maybe the best sports movie ever.