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karmattack

01-08-2004, 10:58 PM

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JIM

01-08-2004, 11:19 PM

Oh boy...
I just went to the site and read their "why were doing this" section...
There's a lot of B.S. being slung around. Same with the "other side". By reading some of their propaganda you'd think Bush is responsible for everything that has gone wrong. Sure, He's made some bad moves, but He's made some good ones too. That's the case with every president.
I really like some of the people who are judges, I've even met some and found them to be really nice people.
But I smell clueless liberals...They don't have the answer, same for the major parties here in the states.
Gotta love election years. /forums/images/icons/smirk.gif

Edit: Just wanted to add, the case can be made for any and all sides. This, that, and the other thing.
I just can't stand it when one group tries to make it seem like their side is "without sin" when they are just as fu*ked up themselves. Or in this case their political party.
Not going to touch this topic here on. It's not worth the time and effort.

karmattack

01-08-2004, 11:39 PM

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JIM

01-08-2004, 11:43 PM

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Bush is the absolute beginning and end of what is wrong with our nation right now.

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Ok. That's your opinion.
Over and out.

Matthew

01-08-2004, 11:45 PM

could you back that statement up please? What exactly has bush done that is so bad?

Please don't give me the one about not listening to the UN.

Razorback

01-09-2004, 12:03 AM

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Bush is the absolute beginning and end of what is wrong with our nation right now.

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Don't drink the pink Kool-Aid.

The aliens are coming to get us.

RB

karmattack

01-09-2004, 12:07 AM

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Razorback

01-09-2004, 12:26 AM

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Dude, don't do that. Don't be a fuckhead. I know it's hard for you, but a little effort might go a long way

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I consider your comments and that of those you support in this position to be pretty fuckhead'ish. So if you want to make this personal then I am in the mood for a debate. I have my quotes and facts ready... bring it on.

I wasn't really going to "bring it" against you (with respect to this issue) but now the blood is pumping and I'm ready for a good fight. You start, I will use half my facts and knowledge just to make it almost fair for you.

RB

Matt1

01-09-2004, 01:05 AM

Political Ad Review: Part 1

CHILD'S PAY
Since I don't really care about children, the only thought that the first ad provoked in me was, "Hey, why don't we have the little kids working the shit jobs? They need to start carrying their weight."

IN MY COUNTRY
This ad was totally preposterous. I mean, really, everyone knows there is no such thing as an American who isn't white. Hilarious!

POLYGRAPH
President Bush took a lie-detector test? Weird, I never heard about it. While they had him hooked up they should've asked him if he's ever sat in the Oval Office buck-naked, covered in vanilla pudding from head to toe. I know I would.

What are we teaching our children?
See, that's what happens when politicians teach our children. It's time we end this failed experiment and finally turn the reins back over to the gangsta rap artists of the world. Ludacris, Snoop Dog, forgive us for rejecting your guidance.

Also, one of the creators is named Janet Tashjian? Tashjian? Sounds kind of Muslimy. Don't worry gang, I've already taken the liberty of reporting her, and her family, to Attorney General Ashcroft.

IMAGINE
Imagine a world free of hyperbole.

HUMAN COST OF WAR
Well, this ad is just plain unfair. I mean really, how could you expect a President to assess Intelligence reports and threats to our country accurately and without bias, when he really, really, really wanted to kill Saddam? C'mon. Evil liberals are just setting the bar way too high with that one. He is only The President after all.

WAKE UP AMERICA
I have a Mickey Mouse alarm clock. It funny. Hee-hee.

Desktop
I wish I had a cool "Seal of the President of the United States" wallpaper for my desktop. Although, it's hard to imagine getting rid of my Beaches one. Ahhh, Bette, sweet Bette.

ARMY OF ONE
That voice... so familar...
http://www.i-mockery.com/romhacks/wilford/wilford-quaker.jpg

BANKRUPT
This ad: Hackneyed.

To be continued... the next time I'm really bored...

karmattack

01-09-2004, 01:20 AM

Bravo to you all.

01-09-2004, 01:23 AM

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Your basic liberal – milk of human kindness flowing through every vein, and heart bleeding over everyone from the milk-shy Hottentot to the glandular obese – is pretty much a strikeout on the hatred front

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Another false statement-

Every liberal I know would just as soon cut your legs out from under you as they would just look your way. Sneaky, coniving, lying, back-stabbing bastards everyone of them. My one-time supervisor thought I was a really cool guy, he was all for giving me a promotion and a raise and the cherry shift, we'd shoot the shit quite often and had a very amicable relationship. Then it came up that I vote Republican- you'd think I threw a bucket of shit in his face. Since that moment in time, he's done everything in his power to fuck me over. He tried to get me fired on several occassions (once just for not using a tripod on a piece of spot news and another time for telling a reporter to kiss my ass after she threw a tape at me and screamed in face about how much of retard I was) Now he's telling stories out of school about how incompetent I am and how I'm nothing but a fuck up- everyone who's worked with me for longer than two months knows I'm a model employee and I take great pride in my very boring and mundane job and they know this piece of shit is just a mean, spiteful person who is full of blind hate for anything that doesn't agree with his left-wing agenda. And it wasn't just me he had it out for- he got one of our anchors fired for a pro-right wing comment she made off camera and he shit-canned a reporter for refusing to remove an autographed photo of Rick Perry from her desk. Of course, to the general population (as we grunts call ourselves at work) he cites other reasons, but the boy likes to gloat and he isn't very careful about who he talks to. And we're all pretty much screwed because 90% of the management are liberal... and they harbour just as much hatred as this other nutbag. Milk of human kindness, my ass...

See, liberals are all about the emotions... "I feel your pain" and all that bleeding heart bullshit- the emotions take over and to Hell with the facts...
Liberals keep harping on a failed economy? Look at the stock market- damn near 10,600 on the Dow. High unemployment? Just wait- if you'd paid attention in Econ 101, you guys would remember that employment is a lagging indicator. Education failing? Hey, talk to Ted Kennedy- he's the one who wrote the last [censored] bill. The war on terrorism a failure? When was the last attack on US soil? What's that? September 2001? Hmmm... over two years and not single attack within our borders... Yep, we failed, we're [censored]. We're all gonna die...

Poppycock.

There is one thing though, that I'm very disappointed with concerning this administration- the raping of the First Ammendment under the guise of campaign finance reform. If that ain't a law abridging the freedom of speech, I'm a monkey's uncle. And before you paint me as some right-wing kook, there are some issues I'm fairly *choke-gasp* liberal *cough-spit* about- like a woman's right to her own body.

Oh, and why the hell can Senator Clinton make a repulsive, highly offensive remark such as she did about Ghandi and suffer no censure- not even a fraction of a percent of the shit they heaped on Trent Lott. Contrast and compare- "If you'd been elected, things would have been little different, wouldn't 've they?" said to very, very old man at his birthday party. "I love this quote- it's from Mahatma Ghandi- he worked at a gas station in Missouri for years. Lot of wisdom came out of that gas station. You still pumping gas there Ghandi?" And this was said at a rally endorsing the campaign of some other liberal. I thought Clinton and her ilk were supposed to hold hands and sing Kumbaya in memory of men like Ghandi, not trash him like that...

milk of human kindness...

I'd rather drink piss...

Razorback

01-09-2004, 01:33 AM

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Bill Clinton lied about a pathetic, squalid affair that was none of anyone else's business anyway, and for that they impeached the man and dragged this country through more than a year of the most tawdry, ridiculous, unnecessary pain.

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I wish people would stop lying when they bring this up. While I agree that the republicans were unfairly aiming for Clinton and tried to remove him from office for the dumbest thing ever, it WAS the business of everyone. The CEO of the country lied under oath. That is a big deal no matter how small the matter. However, that should have been dealt with by the courts and not by Congress.

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The day President Clinton tried to take out Osama bin Laden with a missile strike, every right-winger in America said it was a case of "wag the dog." He was supposedly trying to divert our attention from the much more breathtakingly important and serious matter of Monica Lewinsky. And who did he think he was to make us focus on some piffle like bin Laden?

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Incorrect. President Clinton ordered those attacks on 21 August, 1998. This was in response to the terrorist bombings in Kenya and Tanzania on 7 August, 1998. On 14 August, 1998 both the CIA and the Pentagon agreed that Bin Laden's organization was responsible and that they were planning more attacks; this was reported to the president.

Only Jim Gibbons was quoted as calling it a "Wag The Dog." For the most part it was the media that pushed that story. The republicans were pretty reserved in their statements about that strike, and most of them supported it.

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"It begins of course with the 'stolen' election of 2000 and the perception of Bush's illegitimacy."

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Eighteen independent news services recounted the votes using different methods (requested by both camps) and Bush won every time. There was no stolen election. In any case, the only people who still care about this are the people who are as nutty about that as the right was about Clinton and whatever he did with an intern.

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and am fully persuaded to this good day that Al Gore actually won Florida, not to mention getting 550,000 more votes than Bush overall.

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Ignoring the conjecture, there were over a million contestable votes in New Mexico, Oklahoma, and California that the Bush camp never pursued because they wanted to concentrate the fight on Florida. However, the Bush camp was ready to file for recounts in those states if things went badly in Florida.

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because Republican wing-nuts are so crazy, their bitterness would poison Gore's whole presidency.

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There may be something to that... we will never know.

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I was in a ballroom full of Republican Party flacks who booed and jeered through every word of it.

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I was a DNC volunteer... they do the same thing.

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One thing I acknowledge about the right is that they're much better haters than liberals are.

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This is full of conjecture... bordering on bigotry.

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But, onward. So George Dubya becomes president, having run as a "compassionate conservative," and what do we get? Hell's own conservative and dick for compassion.

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This stuff is not very fair but so be it. Dubya was trying to reach out to the democrats in Congress before 11 September. Even Ted Kennedy praised him for his efforts. The attacks changed a lot of things... specifically Dubya's focus.

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His entire first eight months was tax cuts for the rich, tax cuts for the rich, tax cuts for the rich, and he lied and said the tax cuts would help average Americans. Again and again, the "average" tax cut would be $1,000. That means you get $100, and the millionaire gets $92,000, and that's how they "averaged" it out.

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Any economist who doesn't have a thumb up the ass knows that if you pay more taxes and there is a tax cut that you will receive more taxes back. This cry of "tax cuts for the rich" is a great lie in the democratic party. So what do we call the raising of taxes? Tax raising against the poor?

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By now, we're starting to notice Bush's bait-and-switch. Make a deal with Ted Kennedy to improve education and then fail to put money into it.

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Lies. TONS of money was put into it. How it was distributed was not at the command of the Bush administration and Ted Kennedy knows it, IT WAS HIS PLAN!

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Promise $15 billion in new money to combat AIDS in Africa (wow!) but it turns out to be a cheap con, almost no new money.

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I guess billions of dollars is "almost no new money." Anyone else catching the wind of bullshit here?

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We go along with the war in Afghanistan, and we still don't have bin Laden.

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I can't wait to hear what this nut has to say when bin Laden is in our hands.

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Then suddenly, in the greatest bait-and-switch of all time, Osama bin doesn't matter at all

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In the minds of the media and small minded people. The military and the administration has not forgotten. Just because CNN isn't keeping their noses in on what is going on with that question that doesn't mean it isn't important.

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and we have to go after Saddam Hussein, who had nothing to do with 9/11.

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So now everything has to have a direct relation with that day? There is no reason to go into an explanation of why we are in Iraq since those who agree with this mentality are not changing their tune... moving on.

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Furthermore, the Iraqis are not overjoyed to see us.

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Interesting... based on what facts? Based on a few BBC stories and a few comments from angry Iraqi's who were doing well living under Saddam because they were part of his regime? A small area of the country is under attack by terrorist and the rest is doing well, with few complaints, and yet the Iraqi people don't like the Americans and their friends? Bullshit.

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the road map to peace in the Middle East is blown to hell

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If you thought this was a factual piece, or even one trying to be remotely fair this should prove otherwise. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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Chuck, honey, it ain't just the 2.6 million jobs we've lost: People are losing their pensions, their health insurance, the cost of health insurance is doubling, tripling in price,

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None of this has to do with the current Administration. You are going to lay blame on Bush for an economy that was tanking in 2000? For issues with pensions and health insurance that have been developing for over ten years? This is logic? This is the argument?

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They all signed up, all our old allies volunteered, everybody was with us, and Bush just booted all of that away. Sneering, jeering, bad manners, hideous diplomacy, threats, demands, arrogance, bluster.

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Our allies also let WWI, WWII, Korea, Yugoslavia, and Gulf War I happen because of inaction.

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You bet your ass it was. We attacked a country that had done nothing to us, had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, and turns out not to have weapons of mass destruction.

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How many resolutions did they violate? What did they agree to as a basis for a hault in action in 1991? The US and Iraq have been engaged in actions of war since 1990. and that never stopped. I know, if you are anti-Bush it is fun to bring this up without resorting to boring facts, but it sure would be nice if once the facts were thrown around without resorting to conjecture over substance.

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Poor Bush is in way over his head, and the country is in bad shape because of his stupid economic policies.

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That is funny. I guess we will receive a retraction soon? No? I wonder why.

Anyway, those were personal responses... I didn't even need to use anyone elses words to respond. Your turn. I am still waiting to use up some ammo. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

RB

RobinHoodDaffy

01-09-2004, 01:35 AM

WOW! That is a lot of bile you just coughed up. Speaking as a Political Liberal, I would like to say that I am sorry you have had some bad experiences with some of my left-leaning ilk. However, assholes come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and even political parties. I have known some people who vote as far away from me as they can, but I would still trust them with the keys to my apartment so they can watch my cat while I am on vacation. I just don't spew political ideas at them. No prob, I don't argue Theology with Christians either. Religion and Politics are things that come from your beliefs and experiences. They don't automatically make you a better or worse person. So before we spread hate, maybe we should look past the easy lables of two outdated parties.

Razorback

01-09-2004, 01:39 AM

Well said... you pig [censored]!!! /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

RB

Razorback

01-09-2004, 01:41 AM

Why are you deleting this awesome thread?

RB

karmattack

01-09-2004, 01:42 AM

I'm not about to have an ego battle with you because yours would consume mine whole. So have at it yourself. I'm not going to waste the time or skin off my fingers. Kudos, you win the big beat-down. I hope you have new shiny chest hairs to show for it. In the meantime, my opinion is going elsewhere.

RobinHoodDaffy

01-09-2004, 01:44 AM

Wow! That was the nicest [censored] thing any one has ever [censored] said to me.

Thanks, you [censored] [censored] motherless [censored] [censored]!!!!! /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

Razorback

01-09-2004, 01:46 AM

Typical.

RB

karmattack

01-09-2004, 01:48 AM

In what sense?

Razorback

01-09-2004, 01:53 AM

In the sense that people who follow your political dogma rarely like to argue with facts or logic. You just want to spout off about some half truths and total lies and then when someone is willing to take you (or your source) to task you run away or call your opponent names.

RB

JIM

01-09-2004, 01:54 AM

I said early on that I was done with this...
Guess it's like the Mafia, and I'm dragged back in.
But...uh...hey...What the hell happened to the thread!?

By the way, some good points RB.

Matt1

01-09-2004, 02:06 AM

I've come to the conclusion, after walking this road many a time, that political debates on the forum are absolutely pointless. Occasionally, someone from one side or the other will concede that the opposition's argument has one or two valid and/or compelling points, but it is a rare thing. As for someone's opinion actually changing as a result of the discourse, well, you have a greater chance of seeing Walt Disney rise from the grave and perform oral sex on Dolly Parton.

So, my solemn pledge from this day forth, is that whenever a heated political debate starts on the shoot, I will gleefully mock all participants and do everything in my power to undermine and belittle their discussion. Because they are dumb for attempting such a discussion.

You all have very small penises.

And so it begins...

karmattack

01-09-2004, 02:11 AM

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Don't drink the pink Kool-Aid.

The aliens are coming to get us.

[/ QUOTE ] I responded in kind. Responded. You treated me like I am silly or crazy. If you want to stick by that statement, then I'll go ahead and UNretract my statement about you being a fuckhead. The idea being that IF you want to treat me like I'm silly or crazy THEN you are a fuckhead. Reads like logic to me. So about:
<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
when someone is willing to take you (or your source) to task you run away or call your opponent names.

[/ QUOTE ] I called you names in response to your implied name calling and NOT a clear and fairly represented argument. Regardless, a mistake. And I'm not running away because I don't think I can present a strong case. I'm running away because I don't see the purpose in doing otherwise. Because, see, I ALWAYS argue (emphasis on "argue," because the name-calling didn't exists in an argument) with facts and logic and, like what RobinHoodDaffy is saying, I actually like to hear and empathize with my opponent.
But it doesn't matter. Relish the moment, RB. You tossed me off the playground. I wasn't in here for a fight and that means I'm asking for you to bully someone else if that's all you feel like you need to do.

karmattack

01-09-2004, 02:16 AM

Nah, it doesn't begin. I deleted everything I posted because of exactly what you're saying. It was stupid to even consider.

Razorback

01-09-2004, 02:33 AM

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I responded in kind. Responded. You treated me like I am silly or crazy.

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I was trying to help you... I pissed in the pink Kool-Aid and the aliens ARE COMING!

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The idea being that IF you want to treat me like I'm silly or crazy THEN you are a fuckhead. Reads like logic to me

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If being a fuckhead means that I don't swallow bullshit as well as you then call me a fuckhead.

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I'm running away because I don't see the purpose in doing otherwise.

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So you started this thread for the purpose of not engaging in a discussion? Check.

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Because, see, I ALWAYS argue (emphasis on "argue," because the name-calling didn't exists in an argument) with facts and logic and, like what RobinHoodDaffy is saying, I actually like to hear and empathize with my opponent.
But it doesn't matter.

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People never run away from victory.

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Relish the moment, RB. You tossed me off the playground. I wasn't in here for a fight and that means I'm asking for you to bully someone else if that's all you feel like you need to do.

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Right... I respond with real facts and I am bullying you. You post someone elses barely factual flame of Dubya and because I take it to task I am a bully? Check.

RB

karmattack

01-09-2004, 03:01 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I was trying to help you... I pissed in the pink Kool-Aid and the aliens ARE COMING!..If being a fuckhead means that I don't swallow bullshit as well as you then call me a fuckhead.

[/ QUOTE ] No, you are a fuckhead because you made fun of me. The point I thought I already made was that if you had come at me with a fair argument, I wouldn't have said "Don't do that (make fun of me)" or called you names. It doesn't matter. I apologize for calling you any names in the first place.
<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
So you started this thread for the purpose of not engaging in a discussion? Check.

[/ QUOTE ] Exactly the opposite; I thought my link would inspire a good discussion. I came at it from the wrong perspective though by adding my own opinion at the end. When it all blew up, I realized I don't want to be a part of it and don't want to leave it for anyone else to be a part of either.
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People never run away from victory.

[/ QUOTE ] No, smart people avoid the fight. Hence my present position and my suggestion for you to fight with someone else. By the way, it's something you do very well. I, on the other hand, don't. It's like I said in my second or third post -- I wasn't prepared for a debate and I had to take a minute to prepare. Now, I don't even want to bother.
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Right... I respond with real facts and I am bullying you. You post someone elses barely factual flame of Dubya and because I take it to task I am a bully? Check.

[/ QUOTE ] No, your being a bully transcends this forum. It's just a matter of fact because it's what you do best here. At least it's what you do MOST here. I say that lightly because I do some bullying, but it's of new people and not regulars. Not like it's a real difference, but I'm sure it's a difference the regulars appreciate. I'm saying you are a bully not because of your facts, but because of the way you feed on the fight and pummel people down into your shadow. So whatever, man. I hope it makes you happy. It doesn't make ME happy, which is why I'm trying to back my way out of it.

ILovePapaSmurf

01-09-2004, 03:05 AM

Can someone post a link that lets me know what this whole argument is about? Its not good to not include all poop shooters.

And Karma, not meaning to change the subject, but where is the love of my life, the star wars kid? /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

Threadkiller

01-09-2004, 03:10 AM

I'm still confused about how pink Kool-Aid or aliens have anything to do with Karma, Bush or politics in general. Perhaps I am a bit slow.

I can never decide if you actually believe that people who hold opinions contrary to your own are either complete idiots or terribly misguided. You claim to want facts and arguments but I have yet to see a fact or argument that made so much as a dent in your iron-clad opinions.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that you are the only person you've ever met who is always right?

karmattack

01-09-2004, 03:11 AM

He's here for the right-clicking
http://www.twp.grand-blanc.mi.us/avitar/starwarskid2.gif

Razorback

01-09-2004, 03:34 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I'm saying you are a bully not because of your facts, but because of the way you feed on the fight and pummel people down into your shadow. So whatever, man. I hope it makes you happy. It doesn't make ME happy, which is why I'm trying to back my way out of it.

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Well, since you say that what I do most is bully then I hope I do it well. I would hate to think that my only purpose on this board is wasted with poor effort. Also, it is good to see you take the high road and not take anymore shots at me.

(is that sarcasm in the air or am I just smelling your shit?)

RB

Razorback

01-09-2004, 03:37 AM

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I'm still confused about how pink Kool-Aid or aliens have anything to do with Karma, Bush or politics in general. Perhaps I am a bit slow.

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That's ok... I am sure you are used to not keeping up.

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I can never decide if you actually believe that people who hold opinions contrary to your own are either complete idiots or terribly misguided.

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It depends on how they approach their opinions. If they base them on fact then I respect our difference of opinion.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
You claim to want facts and arguments but I have yet to see a fact or argument that made so much as a dent in your iron-clad opinions.

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And I am supposed to care that you have not? It has happened and if you don't believe it has then too bad. I am not bothered by that one bit.

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Doesn't it strike you as odd that you are the only person you've ever met who is always right?

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Isn't it funny that you think you know me?

RB

RobinHoodDaffy

01-09-2004, 03:39 AM

I hate it when mommy and daddy fight.

karmattack

01-09-2004, 03:39 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
(is that sarcasm in the air or am I just smelling your shit?)

[/ QUOTE ] It's definitely the latter.
I'm not trying to take the high road, perse. I'm just backing out and trying to do what is right and comfortable for me. I'll put it this way and then I invite you, or whoever else wants it, to have the last word. I say this as a liberal, a pacifist, a buddhist, a yogan and all around loving guy. Go fuck yourself.

Now you're smelling sarcasm.

Razorback

01-09-2004, 03:42 AM

Go lose an argument with your mirror.

RB

ILovePapaSmurf

01-09-2004, 03:42 AM

There is just too much testaerone on this board.

Matt1

01-09-2004, 03:51 AM

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Isn't it funny that you think you know me?

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You think you know me, man? Hey vato? You don't know sheet. I'm [censored] loco. None of you essays know me! Don't be mad-doging me!

Threadkiller

01-09-2004, 04:13 AM

Who you trying to get crazy with ese? Don't
you know I'm loco?
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/thomas.gilbert.cine/zoolander1t2.jpg

Matt1

01-09-2004, 04:18 AM

Taste my pain bitch!

Threadkiller

01-09-2004, 04:35 AM

A war of insulting movie quotes? Bring it on! wait...It's already been broughten!

Mighty_Wingman

01-09-2004, 04:50 AM

Here's a fact. If it's not R.B.s' opinion it's utter and complete, contemptable bullshit.

Oooh, Here's another Fact If R.B. believes it , IT MUST BE FACT. God forbid we form our own opinions and think outside what R.B. would have us believe and don't disagree with R.B.! He is always Right . Everything he says is rooted entirely in fact, and not just what his political leanings and/or affiliiations would have him believe ( Note: If R.B. is wrong, see above.)

Here's another fact, all personal and political leanings aside, R.B. is a prick. Karma is not.

This is according to the American heritage dictionary .
Fact n. 1. Information presented as true and accurate. 2. Something having real demonstratable existence.

My statement above that R.B. is a prick, is it fact ? Simply because I present it as true and accurate ? If motivated I could find much evidence to support this claim. Some would agree, some would disagree. Proving it as fact either way is next to impossible. It's all about individual beliefs.

Why are those that have right wing republican beliefs so eager to attack someone whose beliefs differ from their own? If it's all b.s. anyway why are you so worried about it ? Do you think we're so weak minded and impressionable we can't look at something and decide for ourselves ? Why are you so threatened when someones' opinion differs from your own ? Do you think your seal of approval or lack thereof really changes anyones' mind ?

Here in Austin we have Alex Jones ( infowars.com ). Who claims - amongst other things - that the Bush administration and the C.I.A. were not only aware of the 9-11 attacks before hand but helped to fund them. So they could use the attacks as a way to usurp our personal freedom and invade oil-rich, middle eastern countries with the American public behind them. He said this way before we invaded Iraq. He actually predicted the invasion of Iraq less than two weeks after 9-11 . Does this mean he's right ? In my opinion. No. I don't believe everything I see hear or read. But my belief or lack thereof does not dictate what is fact and what is not.

R.B. you always claim that that anyone who opposses you is confused or stupid ( I believe you referred to me as Michael Moore at one point, I have yet to see even one of his films. ) or that they're acting out of emotion rather than fact ,and I have yet to see you produce facts that back up what you say. The things you say are rooted as much in opinion and emotion as things anyone else says and I hate to burst your bubble but just because you believe it doesn't make it FACT.
This could go on for ever, for everything you find that says what you say is fact. I can find something that says different and vice versa. Who are we to believe ? The A.P. ? Rueters ? Fox News ? Rush Limbaugh ? The Rainbow Coalition ? Alex Jones ? Bill O'Riely ? The Gaurdian ? I'm going with, none of the above.

Believe what you will, this is America by the way, and with that in mind you shouldn't be so quick to attack someone just because their beliefs aren't yours. Imagine how bored you'd be if everyone went around spouting all the same things you say . Maybe you'd be happier in an aristocracy or another form of Government where people aren't free to express their opinion. You have every right to disagree but your disagreements usually look more like personal attacks because you don't even consider what was said. All I'm asking you to do is flip the coin over once in while look at the other side. Spend a day in someone elses shoes before you lash out and call bullshit as a knee-jerk reaction. Ask yourself, How Many jobs have I been laid-off from as a direct result of Bushs' economic policies ? And how would I feel about the adminstration if I had ?

Now can we get back to the dick and fart jokes ? And boobies, gotta love those boobies.

Efexeye

01-09-2004, 08:34 AM

Woah- I'm hella glad I missed THIS pissing contest. I never get involved in the political discussions here- this thread is a great example of why.

Razorback

01-09-2004, 02:13 PM

I actually respect Karma, Robbo, DrEvil, and others that disagree with my point of view. But I don't feel that way about you. You are a worthless shit, which is why I am not even going to respond to you as I would anyone else on this board. I didn't even read more than the first few sentences of your response.

Those who make little effort to support their positions find it easier to attack the character of their opponent than actually debating the issues. You are not worth any more of my time.

RB

Mighty_Wingman

01-09-2004, 02:56 PM

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I actually respect Karma, Robbo, DrEvil, and others that disagree with my point of view.

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So when Karma asks your opinion on some liberally minded campaign ads you attack his beliefs and his person out of respect. Check.

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You are a worthless shit, which is why I am not even going to respond to you

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Those who make little effort to support their positions find it easier to attack the character of their opponent than actually debating the issues.

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But you must think it's cute when you do it. You do little else." Pot this is Kettle . Kettle this is Pot."
Check !

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You are not worth any more of my time.

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Interesting . Now that I've learned your own tactics and how to use them against you , you suddenly don't think I'm worth the time. How convienient for you !

Razorback

01-09-2004, 02:58 PM

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So when Karma asks your opinion on some liberally minded campaign ads you attack his beliefs and his person out of respect. Check.

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If Karma would post what he originally stated then we could both judge my response to his statement. Of course, you only take things out of context... why am I even responding to you? You are pointless.

RB

Matt1

01-09-2004, 03:02 PM

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So when Karma asks your opinion on some liberally minded campaign ads you attack his beliefs and his person out of respect. Check.

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Peanut butter goes well on bread. Check.

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But you must think it's cute when you do it. You do little else." Pot this is Kettle . Kettle this is Pot."
Check !

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Bea Arthur wears granny panties. Check.

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Interesting . Now that I've learned your own tactics and how to use them against you , you suddenly don't think I'm worth the time. How convienient for you !

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Milk renders humans docile and more open to suggestion, thus making them easier targets of a Bovine Revolution. Check.

Efexeye

01-09-2004, 03:04 PM

I think Razorback is Rush Limbaugh in disguise, with half his brain tied behind his back, just to make it fair for the rest of us... /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

Razorback

01-09-2004, 03:06 PM

Oh God... never compare me to that hack! /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

RB

Efexeye

01-09-2004, 03:07 PM

He may be a hack, but he sure as hell doesn't back down off of his opinions- you two have that characteristic in common.

Razorback

01-09-2004, 03:12 PM

I don't know... I have been known to back down when a better argument is made. I have listened to Rush many times and he will argue his case even after it has grown old and stupid (like Clinton issues, yawn).

RB

R_U_18

01-09-2004, 03:13 PM

C'mon people, can't we just be friends, lets put all this anger and insults where they belong, to me! Let ME be the punching bag for all you. Be patient people, eventually I will say something sooo stupid and ignorant I will ignite unity once again for the poop shoot.

Razorback

01-09-2004, 03:23 PM

I was more than willing to be friends. Or at least not engage the veterans here in all-out war. Karma posted a link with a little commentary that sounded wacky to me so I responded with, what I thought was, tongue-in-cheek humor. I was going to let other's argue with him about it... but then Karma made it personal by directly attacking me.

Karma also posted another response in this thread where he stated that he was prepairing an argument... so I took him to task and responded (as you can see in this thread). Karma soon after (in fact, it may have been even before I finished responding) deleted the original thread comments as well as his other comments.

So now I get more personal attacks from him and his little wingman. The context of his original comments are gone and only mine remain. Very convenient.

RB

Efexeye

01-09-2004, 03:39 PM

While I have disagreed vehemently and personally with Razorback in the past, and I will soon be attending the North American International Auto Show with karmattack, I have to agree with RB on this one- deleting the original post makes the whole thread lopsided and irrelevant. I missed out on the original comments and the responses that provoked the responses that still remain. I feel like I'm missing out on a BIG part of the story.

Ryall

01-09-2004, 03:52 PM

i don't know what you're all fighting about, I'm just jealous I can't go to the Detroit Auto Show. I just went to the LA show and it didn't have much of anything compared to Detroit. You guys get the new Honda truck concept, all kinds of good stuff.

I will say that I was impressed with Ford for the first time, like, ever. The styling on a few of their new cars like the 500 or the new Mustang GT is heads above anything they've done the last few years.

Post some pictures here if you see anything good!

R_U_18

01-09-2004, 04:12 PM

"vehemently" I don't know what that means but I have an idea /forums/images/icons/tongue.gif hey if its not a problem tell me if you can get an inside scoop on the ford bronco concept, I for some reason like to see it in production, anyways, back to the thread at hand. We have to vets in a disagreement.From what I see (my visions pretty bad) is Karma took something RB said one way and vice versa. I think it could just get squashed. Hey, whenever someone says something, someone will always take it the wrong way. Look at me for instance, I have said dumb and stupid shit since I've been here and nearly half of the people have learned to somewhat stand me(alright not half, one or two) but still, respect is something you earn on this message board not given. You two vets already got my respect, and I know this sounds kinda gay but I don't like seeing vets not get along here, I'd rather see them unite and put there efforts on something else. Ok, no more of me blowing sunshine up people's butt..

'nuff said.....

R_U_18

01-09-2004, 04:15 PM

Exactly, Ford is coming out with the old school look with the Mustang and the Bronco , I know the Mustang is going into production but I would really like to see the Bronco come out too.

Mighty_Wingman

01-09-2004, 05:18 PM

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If Karma would post what he originally stated then we could both judge my response to his statement.

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Fair enough. But the only reason I responded to this thread was because I saw Karma push himself away from the table and withdraw. You continued to badger him. Thereby making you the bad guy ( in my opinion ) whether you were right or wrong.

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So now I get more personal attacks from him and his little wingman. The context of his original comments are gone and only mine remain. Very convenient

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Once again you resort to name calling and character assassination rather than actually addressing what someone said. He tried to take the high road and end the argument. You wouldn't let him.

R.B. I agree with you far more often than I'm willing to admit. Though I've admitted it on several occassions. Even when we disagree, you often make a good argument. When someone backs away however, you'd look like a better person if you'd just leave it at that.

My favorite source of Politcal truth (http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/) Pokes holes in the arguments of both sides and exposes rhetoric for what it is. Unfortunately, facts don't sell newspapers or keep people glued to their T.V.s during the evening news. Inflammatory specualation and conjecture do.
It is still left up to the individual what they choose to believe. Personally I believe politics are an inherently dishonest career choice whether you're actually involved in them or you just report them.

* Now waits for R.B. to disregard everything written here and publish another verbal assault. *

Efexeye

01-09-2004, 05:22 PM

I'll be glad to post some scans- they give away MAD product brochures, so I'll upload 'em sometime the week of the 20th!

karmattack

01-09-2004, 07:56 PM

For those truly interested in what I said, this is an epic read.

I originally posted a link to Bush in 30 Seconds (http://www.bushin30seconds.org ) with the comment Let's hope the winner of the contest succeeds" or something like that.
Next, I responded to JIM's comment

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By reading some of their propaganda you'd think Bush is responsible for everything that has gone wrong. Sure, He's made some bad moves, but He's made some good ones too. That's the case with every president.

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...by saying (paraphrased) "Yeah but any good he's done is IMHO eclipsed by the terrible and unforgivable. When a man is on trial for robbing a bank, the judge doesn't let him let him off easy for going out of his way NOT to J-walk.
Bush is the beginning and end of what is wrong with our nation right now."

Basically my point (poorly stated, if represented at all) was that any "good" Bush has done is common-sense-good that anybody could have done, but the "bad" is special and exclusive to him (well, along with a select few). And if anyone is saying Bush is a "good president" because of the good things, I can say he's a "bad president" because of the bad things, which are oddly terrible. The focus here is on the balance and there is none. Just like David Cross said -- it's like we as a nation are treating Bush like he came in 3rd place in the Special Olympics. "Good job, buddy. You're doing a great job." But who WOULDN'T have bombed Afghanistan? Nader -- Nader! -- would have bombed Afghanistan.
**Please don't launch into an Anti-Nader campaign because I am not a supporter**
Then I said I wasn't prepared for this kind of debate and had to take a little while to arm myself.

RB came with the pink Kool-Aid and aliens comment in response to my "Bush is the beginning and end of what is wrong with our nation bla...bla" comment.
I said "Don't do that. Don't be a fuckhead. I know it's tough for you, but a little effort might go a long way," or something to that effect.

After that, I said I was planning my own statement on the matter, but that people could read and discuss Molly Ivins' (syndicated columnist out of Austin, Texas, is the co-author of "Bushwhacked: Life in George W. Bush's America.") article:

Call Me a Bush-Hater
November 14, 2003
Among the more amusing cluckings from the right lately is their appalled discovery that quite a few Americans actually think George W. Bush is a terrible president.
Robert Novak is quoted as saying in all his 44 years of covering politics, he has never seen anything like the detestation of Bush. Charles Krauthammer managed to write an entire essay on the topic of "Bush-haters" in Time magazine as though he had never before come across a similar phenomenon.
Oh, I stretch memory way back, so far back, all the way back to -- our last president. Almost lost in the mists of time though it is, I not only remember eight years of relentless attacks from Clinton-haters, I also notice they haven't let up yet. Clinton-haters accused the man of murder, rape, drug running, sexual harassment, financial chicanery, and official misconduct. And they accuse his wife of even worse.
For eight long years, this country was a zoo of Clinton-haters. Any idiot with a big mouth and a conspiracy theory could get a hearing on radio talk shows and "Christian" broadcasts and nutty Internet sites. People with transparent motives, people paid by tabloid magazines, people with known mental problems, ancient Clinton enemies with notoriously racist pasts -- all were given hearings, credence, and air time. Sliming Clinton was a sure road to fame and fortune on the right, and many an ambitious young rightwing hit man like David Brock, who has since made full confession, took that golden opportunity.
And these folks didn't stop with verbal and printed attacks. From the day Clinton was elected to office, he was the subject of the politics of personal destruction. They went after him with a multimillion-dollar smear campaign funded by Richard Mellon Scaife, the rightwing billionaire. They went after him with lawsuits funded by rightwing legal foundations (Paula Jones), they got special counsels appointed to investigate every nitpicking nothing that ever happened (Filegate, Travelgate), and they never let go of that hardy perennial Whitewater.
After all this time and all those millions of dollars wasted, no one has ever proved that the Clintons did a single thing wrong. Bill Clinton lied about a pathetic, squalid affair that was none of anyone else's business anyway, and for that they impeached the man and dragged this country through more than a year of the most tawdry, ridiculous, unnecessary pain. The day President Clinton tried to take out Osama bin Laden with a missile strike, every right-winger in America said it was a case of "wag the dog." He was supposedly trying to divert our attention from the much more breathtakingly important and serious matter of Monica Lewinsky. And who did he think he was to make us focus on some piffle like bin Laden?
"The puzzle is where this depth of feeling comes from," mused the ineffable Mr. Krauthammer. Gosh, what a puzzle that is. How could anyone not be just crazy about George W. Bush? "Whence the anger?" asks Krauthammer. "It begins of course with the 'stolen' election of 2000 and the perception of Bush's illegitimacy."
I'd say so myself, yes, I would. I was in Florida during that chilling post-election fight, and am fully persuaded to this good day that Al Gore actually won Florida, not to mention getting 550,000 more votes than Bush overall. But I also remember thinking, as the scene became eerier and eerier, "Jeez, maybe we should just let them have this one, because Republican wing-nuts are so crazy, their bitterness would poison Gore's whole presidency." The night Gore conceded the race in one of the most graceful and honorable speeches I have ever heard, I was in a ballroom full of Republican Party flacks who booed and jeered through every word of it.
One thing I acknowledge about the right is that they're much better haters than liberals are. Your basic liberal -- milk of human kindness flowing through every vein, and heart bleeding over everyone from the milk-shy Hottentot to the glandular obese -- is pretty much a strikeout on the hatred front. Maybe further out on the left you can hit some good righteous anger, but liberals, and I am one, are generally real wusses. Guys like Rush Limbaugh figured that out a long time ago -- attack a liberal and the first thing he says is, "You may have a point there."
To tell the truth, I'm kind of proud of us for holding the grudge this long. Normally, we'd remind ourselves that we have to be good sports, it's for the good of the country, we must unite behind the only president we've got, as Lyndon used to remind us. If there are still some of us out here sulking, "Yeah, but they stole that election," well, good. I don't think we should forget that.
But, onward. So George Dubya becomes president, having run as a "compassionate conservative," and what do we get? Hell's own conservative and dick for compassion.
His entire first eight months was tax cuts for the rich, tax cuts for the rich, tax cuts for the rich, and he lied and said the tax cuts would help average Americans. Again and again, the "average" tax cut would be $1,000. That means you get $100, and the millionaire gets $92,000, and that's how they "averaged" it out. Then came 9/11, and we all rallied. Ready to give blood, get out of our cars and ride bicycles, whatever. Shop, said the President. And more tax cuts for the rich.
By now, we're starting to notice Bush's bait-and-switch. Make a deal with Ted Kennedy to improve education and then fail to put money into it. Promise $15 billion in new money to combat AIDS in Africa (wow!) but it turns out to be a cheap con, almost no new money. Bush comes to praise a job training effort, and then cuts the money. Bush says AmeriCorps is great, then cuts the money. Gee, what could we possibly have against this guy? We go along with the war in Afghanistan, and we still don't have bin Laden.
Then suddenly, in the greatest bait-and-switch of all time, Osama bin doesn't matter at all, and we have to go after Saddam Hussein, who had nothing to do with 9/11. But he does have horrible weapons of mass destruction, and our president "without doubt," without question, knows all about them, even unto the amounts -- tons of sarin, pounds of anthrax. So we take out Saddam Hussein, and there are no weapons of mass destruction. Furthermore, the Iraqis are not overjoyed to see us.
By now, quite a few people who aren't even liberal are starting to say, "Wha the hey?" We got no Osama, we got no Saddam, we got no weapons of mass destruction, the road map to peace in the Middle East is blown to hell, we're stuck in this country for $87 billion just for one year and no one knows how long we'll be there. And still poor Mr. Krauthammer is hard-put to conceive how anyone could conclude that George W. Bush is a poor excuse for a President.
Chuck, honey, it ain't just the 2.6 million jobs we've lost: People are losing their pensions, their health insurance, the cost of health insurance is doubling, tripling in price, the Administration wants to cut off their overtime, and Bush was so too little, too late with extending unemployment compensation that one million Americans were left high and dry. And you wonder why we think he's a lousy president?
Sure, all that is just what's happening in people's lives, but what we need is the Big Picture. Well, the Big Picture is that after September 11, we had the sympathy of every nation on Earth. They all signed up, all our old allies volunteered, everybody was with us, and Bush just booted all of that away. Sneering, jeering, bad manners, hideous diplomacy, threats, demands, arrogance, bluster.
"In Afghanistan, Bush rode a popular tide; Iraq, however, was a singular act of presidential will," says Krauthammer.
You bet your ass it was. We attacked a country that had done nothing to us, had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, and turns out not to have weapons of mass destruction.
It is not necessary to hate George W. Bush to think he's a bad president. Grownups can do that, you know. You can decide someone's policies are a miserable failure without lying awake at night consumed with hatred.
Poor Bush is in way over his head, and the country is in bad shape because of his stupid economic policies.
If that makes me a Bush-hater, then sign me up
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Then, after I started getting really angry, I just realized it's not what I want to do. Out of the four people who were responding and bashing me at the time, I knew I was going to inform no one, nor change anyone's perspective and get nothing but frustration in return -- essentially just a waste of time and energy.

This is, in essence, what happened to me these past 4 years. I started to research Bush back when he first wanted to drill ANWAR. I was very active about it, writing congress and keeping my friends and family informed. In the one mass letter I wrote during his first few months in office, I predicted a handful of things which have ALL come true (war, oil, economy being major ones). Post 9/11, I marched in Washington D.C. and in Lansing to protest the war. Then the war started and suddenly it was like I couldn't express my view (the view I had and espressed just like before) without getting my throat lashed at. So, I let myself become willfully ignorant and just let the right-wingers have this one. I was too intimidated by the hot-headed fundamentalism to put up a fight. Now, after being prodded by too many friends who are like "What happened to you, man?" And after talking to soldiers (medics and infantrymen) who were in Iraq for the invasion and just got home, and who actually put forth effort to make me understand how shady the situation is in Iraq, I realize the time for ignorance and silence is over. Just not here.

So whatever. I won't be posting shit like that here anymore. This was just to enlighten the few who were interested and NOT to rehash anything. I'm not going to rebut any arguments made against this post.

JIM

01-09-2004, 08:19 PM

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with the comment Let's hope the winner of the contest succeeds" or something like that.

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Not starting shit or anything, but I did'nt see that at all.

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Bush is the beginning and end of what is wrong with our nation right now."

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That's the only line I saw in your reply.
Did you edit it, and everything went ga-ga?

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Out of the four people who were responding and bashing me at the time, I knew I was going to inform no one, nor change anyone's perspective and get nothing but frustration in return -- essentially just a waste of time and energy

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You're not talking about Me are you?

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I predicted a handful of things which have ALL come true (war, oil, economy being major ones). Post 9/11, I marched in Washington D.C. and in Lansing to protest the war.

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Oh come on man, you're saying it's His fault and His alone?
That is a very unfair thing to place on a President in any age or time.

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And after talking to soldiers (medics and infantrymen) who were in Iraq for the invasion and just got home, and who actually put forth effort to make me understand how shady the situation is in Iraq,

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Would You please elaborate?
I have friends who are still there(Iraq and Afghanistan). Some who just got home, and some who are going back in a couple of months. They're not exactly crazy about going, but they stated they saw how bad it is for the people there, and are glad they can make a change for the better.

karmattack

01-09-2004, 08:46 PM

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Not starting shit or anything, but I did'nt see that at all...That's the only line I saw in your reply.
Did you edit it, and everything went ga-ga?

[/ QUOTE ] Nope, the original post looked like this:

Bush in 30 seconds. (http://www.bushin30seconds.org) Let's hope the winner of the contest succeeds.

That could have been worded differently, but it would have just been like "Let's hope the contest winner's video succeeds."
Then when I responded to you, I commented on your post and then dangled my anti-Bush rhetoric at the end. I don't know if you're joking by saying it's the only thing you saw, as in my having said that made the rest of the post "disappear," but it was all there.

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You're not talking about Me are you?

[/ QUOTE ] I am, in fact. Well, you in a group.
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Oh come on man, you're saying it's His fault and His alone?

[/ QUOTE ] I don't know exactly what you're referring to, but if you mean the war, oil interaction and parts of the economy...yes, I believe it's his fault in so much as he is the single representative of major decisions involved -- even little ones. Like I said, if you're going to say he did good things and give him credit based on information you've observed and read...I am going to say he did bad things based on information I've observed and read. But again, I'm not going to rebut any of this stuff. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
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Would You please elaborate?
I have friends who are still there(Iraq and Afghanistan). Some who just got home, and some who are going back in a couple of months. They're not exactly crazy about going, but they stated they saw how bad it is for the people there, and are glad they can make a change for the better.

[/ QUOTE ] Basically, my friends said the same thing as your friends, only they believe in Bush's alterior motives and feel they tarnish what they have to feel good about. My buddy was a medic and was basically one of guys you'd read about in the romantic boost-moral articles about how happy Iragi children react to free toys. He lights up when he talks about giving out shoes, food and how much kids laughed when he put Spongebob Band-Aids on their boo-boos. He sulks when he talks about the reason he was there, and he firmly believes that it was purely for oil and control. That's about all I'm going to elaborate. It's already more than I wanted to do.

JIM

01-10-2004, 02:33 AM

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Then when I responded to you, I commented on your post and then dangled my anti-Bush rhetoric at the end. I don't know if you're joking by saying it's the only thing you saw, as in my having said that made the rest of the post "disappear," but it was all there.

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No, I'm not joking. I'm not insinuating that you're lying either. I don't remember seeing anything but that line.
This line that came later too:
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Bush is the beginning and end of what is wrong with our nation right now."

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Same thing, only saw that line. Especially that one. Not the expanded reply you gave later.

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I am, in fact. Well, you in a group

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Oh really I was bashing you? As part of a group?
How? By responding with this?:
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Ok. That's your opinion.
Over and out.

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Or this?:
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I said early on that I was done with this...
Guess it's like the Mafia, and I'm dragged back in.
But...uh...hey...What the hell happened to the thread!?

By the way, some good points RB.

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You call that bashing?
Don't accuse Me of something that I did'nt do.
Next time go and re-read the posts before you go flying off the handle and start pointing fingers.
I'm really surprised that you're pulling something like this Karma.

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I don't know exactly what you're referring to, but if you mean the war, oil interaction and parts of the economy...yes, I believe it's his fault in so much as he is the single representative of major decisions involved -- even little ones.

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I don't know what else to say, except that you are absolutely wrong on that one. The Man has had to deal with what was left over from the previous administration like any other President, good and bad. Add to that, yes virgina, a president can't control everything.

War?
Current global operations HAD to be done for a multitude of reasons. The monsters and problems that should have been delt with in the Clinton/Bush Sr./Regan years were not dealt with. He had to do some clean-up.

oil interaction?
That's an old problem that He did not start. That one goes back decades.

parts of the economy?
Once again, an old issue that rears it's ugly head time and time again in any administration.

Some try to say the clinton years were great. Bullshit, mostly smoke and mirrors. Rich got richer, and it will stay that way, regardless of who is sitting in the oval office.
"Internet boom" and "tech stocks" ring a bell? Liberals love to say it was due to Clinton, but it had a rotten foundation underneath.
When it finally collapsed, Bush was there, and He was made into a scapegoat on that one. Can the tech sector come back? Maybe, it has the ablility to. But it probably won't be because of a president.
Another issue I have to bring up is Job loss and high unenployment. Bush is not the sole blame either. Big business and the actions of a previous Predident are. They are the ones who are sending jobs overseas. They are the ones who are firing people and making the employees left over work more for a lot less. "Nafta" ring a bell? It has caused a major loss of U.S. jobs, almost destroyed Mexico's economy and environment, and hurt their workers. Bush was'nt there for that one Karma. For the most part, that was a Clinton debacle.

Yes, Bush has done some good(tax cuts, rebate checks in the mail) and some bad(the environment, certain personal freedoms) to name a few. Friggin guy is Human. I'm not happy with all of His actions, but it really burns My ass when Democrats and Liberals try to make it seem like their ideas and candidates are without fault, and are perfect. Same goes for the Republicans and conservatives. They're all full of shit. But this is'nt a perfect world. It is a lesser of two evils type of situation.
Everyone makes it seem so damn easy to be President, when almost all of us here on this planet would'nt know our ass from our elbow if We got the job. Sheesh.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Basically, my friends said the same thing as your friends, only they believe in Bush's alterior motives and feel they tarnish what they have to feel good about. My buddy was a medic and was basically one of guys you'd read about in the romantic boost-moral articles about how happy Iragi children react to free toys. He lights up when he talks about giving out shoes, food and how much kids laughed when he put Spongebob Band-Aids on their boo-boos. He sulks when he talks about the reason he was there, and he firmly believes that it was purely for oil and control. That's about all I'm going to elaborate. It's already more than I wanted to do. <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />

Funny, as far as the tarnish part, and the oil and control. My friends don't see it that way.

By the way, those WERE some good points that RB made in regards to that long "piece" from "Molly Ivin".
At least RB states fact most of the time, unlike that hack Ivin. That piece was typical propaganda garbage.

R_U_18

01-10-2004, 02:48 AM

Jesus Christ you guys have a lot to say to each other..........

ILovePapaSmurf

01-10-2004, 02:50 AM

Yeah, its called a conversation.

R_U_18

01-10-2004, 02:53 AM

C'mon baby, why are you mad at me today? What can daddy do to make it better? Can I get you some fudge?

Matt1

01-10-2004, 02:58 AM

http://uglypeople.com/uploaded/6/ugly206.jpg

ILovePapaSmurf

01-10-2004, 02:59 AM

If you are my dad, why don't you give the fudge you offered me to your six children that are starving in mexico!

Fuck off you idiot.

Robbo_the_Hood

01-10-2004, 03:02 AM

Holy Jesus America, I missed the best discussion ever. Why can't these things happen on my day off?

Imma throw in my two cents, just because I can. These are not well thought out, but these are musings I've had over the past few weeks, even from a few years ago.

I don't like Bush, and I won't pretend I ever have. First and foremost, he's a puppet. There are too many coincidences in his administration that people just want to ignore. The first one is that the 2000 election was decided in the state his brother happens to run. Oh, I know Jeb stepped down in the interest of fairness, but he could have given orders.

The other coincidence is that the two most powerfull men in the country are oil tycoons and the country is at war with Arabs, and that's the only reason our leaders ordered a unilateral attack against UN wishes. I'm waiting for the US to pull out of the UN like Germany pulled out of the League of Nations in the 30's.

More ramblings:
I'd actually support the conservatives if they'd start being conservatives. I remember when Newt and company shut down the US government offices for two days to make sure that the liberals understood the seriousness of a balanced budget act. Now they want to hand over a blank check to fund a war in a foriegn country. Their mantra in 1993 was, "How can we help others when we can't help ourselves first?"

The hippies that were against the Vietnam war are the adults in charge now, and they're even pushing for war. My mother, who worked on the 1984 Mondale campaign and offered me a one-way ticket out of the country should a draft ever be imposed has expressed that the offer is no longer valid. Not saying there will or won't be a draft, but it has been a concern of mine seeing as I, and most of the other gentlemen on the boards are of age.

On 9/17/01, my 23 birthday, I predicted an internment camp would be implanted in some remote place for Middle Easterners. Regardless of how humanely these prisoners are treated, many of them were detained indefinitely solely for being Muslim. My father told me it was a great idea.

I have other ramblings that would and would not be applicable to the conversation, but I'm tired, and I'm just upset I missed out on this. Dammit.

Razorback

01-10-2004, 03:04 AM

What I think is interesting is how I have been attacked in this thread for responding to an article posted by someone who suggested that we were about to engage in a debate. I thought I was pretty fair to the points in the article and responded with facts.

I am also surprised by Karma's reaction and his responses after the initial reaction. It is as if Karma is having a very bad day... or something. Maybe he is just one of those angry bleeding heart liberals, but then he has been faking being a cool lefty. I thought we could engage in a little bit of fun and I found out otherwise. Then I thought we were going to engage in a fight of facts and I found out otherwise... then I discovered that Karma and some Texas cowgirl were using this thread to slam me.

Fun. Anyway, I hate to sound like a victim (since I am obviously on the hate list of more than a few people on this site) but I guess I expected to be treated better than this by the veterans here. You can make a mark on the board of times RB has been wrong.

RB

Razorback

01-10-2004, 03:13 AM

Seriously... don't drink the pink Kool-Aid. Seriously.

Don't drink it.

I mean it.

RB

Robbo_the_Hood

01-10-2004, 03:19 AM

eh, sucks to your pink kool-aide.

JIM

01-10-2004, 03:26 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
The first one is that the 2000 election was decided in the state his brother happens to run. Oh, I know Jeb stepped down in the interest of fairness, but he could have given orders.

[/ QUOTE ]

There was a recount over and over, Bush won.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
The other coincidence is that the two most powerfull men in the country are oil tycoons and the country is at war with Arabs, and that's the only reason our leaders ordered a unilateral attack against UN wishes.

[/ QUOTE ]

So far, I really don't believe that is the case. We have'nt made a mad dash for Iraqi oil and siezed their fields and wells, and are in fact helping them set things up again. Were even going as so far as to lobby the rest of the world to forget Iraqi debt.
Plus, haliburton has been kicked out of the race. Thank God.
By the way, it does'nt hurt to have a possible friend in a country that has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. Remember what happened with the oil embargoes of the seventies? "Uh...hey...Iraq...OPEC is fuc*ing us again...wanna sell us some oil? 'cmon old buddy, old chum!"

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Not saying there will or won't be a draft, but it has been a concern of mine seeing as I, and most of the other gentlemen on the boards are of age.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, if they do, and I get called and are deemed fit, I'll go. Not exactly happy and all shits and giggles to go, but I will if need be.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Regardless of how humanely these prisoners are treated, many of them were detained indefinitely solely for being Muslim.

[/ QUOTE ]

Uhhh... that's not the case for the most part. Some Men have been caught up in the action and should be released if those reports are true. But most, if not ALL of those fuc*ers in gitmo are terrorists or have given a lot of support to them. Screw them. Let them rot in the sun.
Hey, 9-11 took a toll on us all. But I have a lot vested in this one. Those scumbags attacked My city, My place of birth, My home. Yeah, it's personal.

Matt1

01-10-2004, 03:31 AM

You have all forced my hand.

How to Sound Sexy in the Sack
BY JESSICA MEHALIC
from Cosmopolitan Magazine

How to Sound Sexy in the Sack
Guys love carnal communication, but the vocals that turn them on the most vary. Our recent sex poll found that 52 percent of men are moved by moans and sighs, while 37 percent dig outright dirty talk. "The key is to determine what you feel good doing and what your man wants to hear, then work from there," says Aline P. Zoldbrod, Ph.D., sex therapist and author of Sex Talk: Uncensored Exercises for Exploring What Really Turns You On. "Even just some heavy breathing can make sex more mind-blowing." There's no need to consult the Spice channel for tutelage; just follow our easy manual.

Step 1: Get Psyched
Put yourself into the right mind-set. Listen to tunes that turn you on, read racy fiction or conjure up steamy scenarios involving you and your dude. Do some deep breathing and let your body totally relax. Then experiment with sounds you could utter the next time you're in the sack. (Hey, you're solo here, so no worries about coming off lame.) "People don't realize that being vocal in bed isn't just about personality; it's also about practicing," says Regena Thomashauer, author of Mama Gena's Owner's and Operator's Guide to Men.

Step 2: Make Some Noise
Now bring your sultry sounds to the bedroom. Since guys say it's the hottest ruckus you can make on the mattress, start off with a purr or an mmmm, or simply breathe heavily. Cha-ching! Your beau will be burning up. "This kind of feedback cheers him on," says Zoldbrod. Plus, a few easy oohs and ahhs will help you get comfortable.

Step 3: Use Your Voice
If that got you going and totally gunned his motor, attempt some dialogue. "You can take any old sentence and say it sexily," says Zoldbrod. "Just whispering or emphasizing certain words will up the erotic ante." For example, "What do you want to do now?" can be said as a breathy "So...what do you want to do now?" Or a little murmuring and accentuation of key words will fire up phrases like "You have the most amazing hands" and "I love it when you do that.

Step 4: Say Things Your Way
If your cutie took to the compliments by issuing his own or was clearly excited by your semispicy discourse, then maybe you want to get a little dirtier. To avoid embarrassment and clichéd phrases spawned during the days of Boogie Nights: "Develop your own code for those words that are difficult to say and you'll feel less tongue-tied," says Zoldbrod. "Can we do my favorite thing?" might signify 69; "tease me" could be a request for oral sex; and "my turn" might let him know that you want to be on top.

Robbo_the_Hood

01-10-2004, 03:31 AM

I noticed you had no comment for the "conservatives aren't conservative" comment. So, I would like to say officially that bipartisan pollitics isn't about personal beliefs, but just whether it's a donkey or an elephant telling you what your personal beliefs should be.

Not just you Jim, but this is everyone.

JIM

01-10-2004, 03:34 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I noticed you had no comment for the "conservatives aren't conservative" comment. So, I would like to say officially that bipartisan pollitics isn't about personal beliefs, but just whether it's a donkey or an elephant telling you what your personal beliefs should be.

Not just you Jim, but this is everyone.

[/ QUOTE ]

Forgot about that one.
I don't know what the hell happened with them on that one. I'm pretty surprised at what happened so far. Then again, screw them too. Always hated Newt and his family values B.S. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

Robbo_the_Hood

01-10-2004, 03:42 AM

But really, what happened to that whole "balanced budget" dealy that was such a hot issue only a decade ago.

You know what this country needs? It needs a group of rag-tag inner city kids to break dance in front of a recration center to keep it from being demolished.
Or, a group of rag-tag college kids need to beat Communists (or the Yankees) in a sporting event.

Whatever it is, we need more rag-tag kids doing stuff.

JIM

01-10-2004, 03:45 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
But really, what happened to that whole "balanced budget" dealy that was such a hot issue only a decade ago.

[/ QUOTE ]
I wonder about the same thing Robbo, that and universal healthcare. *POOF!* gone like that.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
You know what this country needs? It needs a group of rag-tag inner city kids to break dance in front of a recration center to keep it from being demolished.
Or, a group of rag-tag college kids need to beat Communists (or the Yankees) in a sporting event.

Whatever it is, we need more rag-tag kids doing stuff.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's some funny shit Robbo /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

Matt1

01-10-2004, 03:47 AM

And one of the kids should be foul-mouthed. Lovable, but foul-mouthed.

Robbo_the_Hood

01-10-2004, 03:51 AM

One of those kids also needs to feel alienated by the group so the Communists or the developers trying to tear down the rec-center almost get him to turn on his chums. Then at the end, he comes to his senses and is the first one to step in front of the bulldozer.

Razorback

01-10-2004, 03:52 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I noticed you had no comment for the "conservatives aren't conservative" comment.

[/ QUOTE ]

And liberals aren't very liberal. Democrats aren't very open minded... republicans aren't greedy enough... funny how "liberal" and "conservative" mean different things in different countries. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Basicly, every point you made could easily be said about your favorite Administration. If Dubya is "so bad" then so was Clinton, Bush Sr., Ronny, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, Kennedy, Jackson, Adams, Washington... and so on and so on and so on. You "discover" these problems with whatever Administration you want to attack and turn a blind eye to the ones you like. It is simple human bullllllshit. I think that when you open your mind up you will discover that every president has followed a similar policy of American interest first, and damn those who stand in the way.

RB

JIM

01-10-2004, 03:54 AM

He has to have a cool nickname too!
Can't forget that!
Like "Peabo" or "Two Toes" or " 'lil Bulldawg" !

Robbo_the_Hood

01-10-2004, 03:58 AM

No, the liberals are just as bad, considering it was the hippie that became the lawyer so he could change the way the system was run from the inside that led to a multi-million dollar McDonalds coffee spilling law-suit.

And I'm sure Nixon had the nations interests at heart when he sent G. Gordon Liddy out to the Watergate to get some ice.

And here I successfully commandeer a topic and you have to go and try to get everyone fighting again. So instead of a group of rag-tag kids dancing for the rec-center, it's a group of rag-tag kids dancing for RB's entertainment. Everything's always gotta be about you, man.

Dr3vil

01-10-2004, 11:10 AM

Yes, but first we rag-tag kids need a coach that starts out hating us as much as his own pathetic life, only to become a caring leader and heart warming inspiration to us all.

01-10-2004, 01:53 PM

why don't we just screen "Mighty Ducks" for the whole f*cking world...

Mighty_Wingman

01-10-2004, 02:30 PM

Why don't we just agree to not talk about politics here ?
It divides this community and takes valuable time away
from talking shit about movies, music and pop culture.

.... And newbie roasting.

Razorback

01-10-2004, 04:33 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Everything's always gotta be about you, man.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree. Let's just talk about me.

RB

JIM

01-10-2004, 05:21 PM

Ok...So RB, how's life treatin' ya these days?

RobinHoodDaffy

01-10-2004, 05:33 PM

I gotta say, we may want to avoid politics here, but DAMN this has been an interesting read. I have stayed out of it for the most part (not all that easy for a loud-mouth bleeding heart like myself). I have enjoyed reading it though.

Oh yeah, uh so RB, uh how's stuff?............

Razorback

01-10-2004, 05:34 PM

Been ok. How about me?

RB

Razorback

01-10-2004, 05:35 PM

Stuff is good. Just dropped a class today for reasons only known to me... but it is all good. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif So what has been up with my world?

RB

JIM

01-10-2004, 05:39 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Been ok. How about me?

[/ QUOTE ]
ROFL!

Oh, robin...it's one of the spices of life BAY-BEE!

RobinHoodDaffy

01-10-2004, 05:59 PM

Man, you are living that really lame Mac Davis song-Lord it's hard to be humble/when you're perfect in every way/I can't wait to look in the mirror/'cause I get better looking each day.......

Mighty_Wingman

01-10-2004, 06:05 PM

Actually I was thinking of a Carly Simon song.

R.B. you probably think this post is about you . Don't you ?

Razorback

01-11-2004, 04:44 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
'cause I get better looking each day

[/ QUOTE ]

So true... I really do.

But let's talk about me.

RB

ILovePapaSmurf

01-11-2004, 06:31 AM

Yes lets talk about you...

Humm.....

Wait...nooo...

You know, there isn't anything I really want to know..not at this moment anyways. You know, talking about me is way more interesting. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

ratm1966

01-11-2004, 11:51 AM

Why don't we talk about Dmoney? I think that would stir up quite an interesting discussion.

Of course, I am leaving this morning and won't be around for a few weeks to get in on it.

However, a good discussion on Dmoney would be cool. Of course, I think it would all be about how he is a loser and no one would really support him.

Matthew

01-11-2004, 01:49 PM

I am glad I didn't need to say anything on this whole thing. RB was right on all accounts. Jim was a close second.

karmattack

01-12-2004, 10:50 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I am glad I didn't need to say anything on this whole thing. RB was right on all accounts. Jim was a close second.

[/ QUOTE ] ..."In my opinion," I think you meant to say.

karmattack

01-12-2004, 12:55 PM

["Bush is the beginning and end of what is wrong with our nation right now."] That is what I was referring to when I said I dangled my anti-Bush rhetoric at the end. There was a good three-sentence paragraph before that though. I do regret deleting all of my posts now. I thought deleting them would just let the forum die; I had no idea it would go this far.
<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
You call that bashing?
Don't accuse Me of something that I did'nt do.
Next time go and re-read the posts before you go flying off the handle and start pointing fingers.
I'm really surprised that you're pulling something like this Karma.

[/ QUOTE ] Like other things I posted here, I should have phrased my post better. I wasn't saying YOU bashed me -- I shouldn't have used the word "bashed" either, even though that's how I feel/felt. This is how my post should have read:
[I am *talking about you* in fact. Well *not you specifically, but* you in a group]. I DID read all the posts over again, did you? I didn't mean to imply that you were bashing me, but read the posts over again. In your first post, fair as it is, you called the info from my link "B.S.," "clueless liberal[ism]," and "not worth the time and effort."
Then Mathew came in with the "could you back that statement up please? What exactly has bush done that is so bad? Please don't give me the one about not listening to the UN," business. Do I think he was being mean? No. But is that a cynical position against what I was saying or referring to with my link? Yeah.
Then next came RB with a Jim Jones/David Koresh joke to discredit me, poke fun, make me look or feel silly and crazy.
Next came Matt1 making fun of the link.
Following him, JK with his anti-liberal garbage.

I read the posts. So, for a second can you forget who you think is right or wrong and sympathize? I was posting five-against-one, and "the five" seemed pretty eager to argue and especially degrade. So I said "Bravo" [the "bravo" came from editing my posts, which is why it is placed before JK's post] and deleted my posts. So by
<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I'm really surprised that you're pulling something like this Karma.

[/ QUOTE ] What do you mean? "Pulling" what? I already said I wasn't armed, prepared or even willing to fight. I felt ganged up on and humiliated and so I backed down. Maybe I wasn't gracious, but I tried to be sensible. Take a second and empathize beyond what you think is right/wrong. YOU read the posts over again.
<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Yes, Bush has done some good(tax cuts, rebate checks in the mail) and some bad(the environment, certain personal freedoms) to name a few. Friggin guy is Human. I'm not happy with all of His actions, but it really burns My ass when Democrats and Liberals try to make it seem like their ideas and candidates are without fault, and are perfect. Same goes for the Republicans and conservatives. They're all full of shit. But this is'nt a perfect world. It is a lesser of two evils type of situation.

[/ QUOTE ] Exactly -- you're exactly right. I tried to say something similar to you. It's about balance and the lesser of evils. For me, Bush's evils outweigh the small goods. I'm no Democrat, but that's probably how I will vote this coming election because they represent the strongest fight against Bush's Admin. and they represent the lesser of two evils for me personally. BUT, I think there are major flaws with Democrats and their policies. I just see more balance there.

The war is a major deal. You think it had to be done and I don't. I was one of 12 million people who marched in protest of the war in mid-February in the U.S. alone. One group of days in one month in one nation....12 million people. And obviously that figure doesn't represent the people who protested the war in their hearts at home, so it's just 12 mil at the very least. Then, many people in many nations protested over many days. Are you going to say we don't know what is best for us? I still don't support the war and I don't think it was a good thing [I think good came out of it, but I also believe we could have gotten Saddam and liberated Iraq with more tact, and patience than we did].

Damn, this is long. Anyway, you suggested I read all the posts before I "fly off the handle." The ball is in your court.
<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
By the way, those WERE some good points that RB made in regards to that long "piece" from "Molly Ivin".
At least RB states fact most of the time, unlike that hack Ivin. That piece was typical propaganda garbage.

[/ QUOTE ] Again, you're right. RB makes a tough sale. I still agree with Molly in parts. It is all true? No; I got it from alternet.org, and their shit is ALWAYS as far to the left as it gets. Is it all false? Well, if someone listened to Razor knock down a handful of the points, and you just say RB's points are good and therefore the whole article is shit....well, of course it's all false. Or not. It's like the point you keep making about how you feel about Bush. Nothing is perfect, and just because something's flawed doesn't make it worthless. So, even though there's some good there, what is it that makes you feel like it is overall worthless? Maybe, without realizing it, Molly's article can still help you understand how I feel about G.W. Bush afterall.

Robbo_the_Hood

01-12-2004, 02:11 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I'm no Democrat, but that's probably how I will vote this coming election because they represent the strongest fight against Bush's Admin.

[/ QUOTE ] I hate myself for admitting this because I don't like Bush one bit, but I'll probably end up voting for Bush because I don't see any good opposition. That and I think Bush has gotten us into too many situations that backing out of would only make worse. I certainly did not support an invasion of Iraq, but if the military occupation of Iraq were to end now, the region would be much worse than before our millitary invaded. And only because they were set up to do the job before it was announced that they had the job, I think Haliburton should remain the contractor for repairing Iraqs oil wells (*ahem* propaganda because the oil wells are what's been on the agenda all along).

I don't like how our president is running the administration, and I only see him getting the country into more irriversable situations. But, until someone of the opposition has a valid plan to repair the damage Bush has done with as little consequence as possible, I will most likely vote for the current president as terrible as I think he is for the country. Unfortunately by the time his term(s) as president come to an end, it'll be the next president that has to clean up Iraq as well as the economy.

Not passing our problems to future generations, my ass.

karmattack

01-12-2004, 02:14 PM

Makes sense. Kind of like how they say not to pull the knife out of a stab wound. It may suck to have a knife stuck in you, but it's better than bleeding to death if you pull it out.
Dunno.

Robbo_the_Hood

01-12-2004, 02:24 PM

Oh, I forgot. Karma's a pussy.

And Moviepoopshoot High Football RULES!

karmattack

01-12-2004, 02:30 PM

Vagina is the preferred nomenclature, please.

Robbo_the_Hood

01-12-2004, 02:33 PM

Hey, I have to keep my popularity around here some how. I wouldn't want all these faceless personalities that exist only in my computer to be mad at me.

JIM

01-12-2004, 02:40 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
[I am *talking about you* in fact. Well *not you specifically, but* you in a group]. I DID read all the posts over again, did you? I didn't mean to imply that you were bashing me, but read the posts over again. In your first post, fair as it is, you called the info from my link "B.S.," "clueless liberal[ism]," and "not worth the time and effort."

[/ QUOTE ]

It is B.S.. You took that as some sort of attack? I'm not saying that You are full of it or are clueless, they are.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I was posting five-against-one, and "the five" seemed pretty eager to argue and especially degrade.

[/ QUOTE ]

Again, here you go playing the "victim", I was'nt doing what you think I was doing. There WAS one poster here who could have picked His words a little better, I'm not going to name names. In this case, You had more people who don't agree with your view, and the views of that Anti-Bush short film-commerical "festival". It could have just as eaisily been the other way. You should have stuck to your guns and fought it out, deletion of Your inital posts did'nt help.
C'mon, when stuff like this is posted, You have to expect the possibility of a shitstorm. Bring an umbrella next time.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
What do you mean? "Pulling" what?

[/ QUOTE ]

Falsely accusing Me of bashing you and being part of a group bashing. That's what.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I was one of 12 million people who marched in protest of the war in mid-February in the U.S. alone. One group of days in one month in one nation....12 million people.

[/ QUOTE ]

To call that number overblown is an understatement.
The "movement" lied about their numbers. Not saying you did, the so-called leaders did.
Have'nt You noticed that it all died pretty quickly?
That says a WHOLE lot.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
And obviously that figure doesn't represent the people who protested the war in their hearts at home,

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh please, now that is some real B.S. Karma. It's about this high right now. *JIM raises hand above His head*

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Then, many people in many nations protested over many days.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah? So what? They don't have My nation's security in mind. They did'nt get attacked. They're not the one's who are being targeted by numerous countries with ties to terrorism. Most of them have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Screw them.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
but I also believe we could have gotten Saddam and liberated Iraq with more tact, and patience than we did

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, how? With more resolutions? More talks at the table for another decade?
It was time to put foot to ass on this one. Not crazy about the fact it had to happen, but it was time.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Again, you're right. RB makes a tough sale. I still agree with Molly in parts. It is all true? No; I got it from alternet.org, and their shit is ALWAYS as far to the left as it gets.

[/ QUOTE ]

So why the hell did you set yourself up like that? Really, do Yourself a favor next time and don't post someone else's propaganda. Take the time to post your own words and views. That type of stuff is best left to people like "Dirty Sanchez/Jack Sparrow". I really believe that all of us here expect much more of You than that.

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
So, even though there's some good there, what is it that makes you feel like it is overall worthless?

[/ QUOTE ]

The fact it is riddled with half-truths and full on lies.
That's pretty much it.

Robbo_the_Hood

01-12-2004, 03:22 PM

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They don't have My nation's security in mind. They did'nt get attacked. They're not the one's who are being targeted by numerous countries with ties to terrorism. Most of them have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Screw them.

[/ QUOTE ] There is a fine line between patriotic and xenaphobic that this statement seems to straddle.

So, in that case if the UK were attacked by Afghanistans who were funded by Saudis, then the UK has every right to invade Iraq and our millitary should help them? The English were protesting the use of their millitary in alliance with the US millitary to invade Iraq. You're saying that because they weren't attacked, the citizens of England shouldn't be allowed to protest that their millitary was going to join in a fight that had nothing to do with them in the first place?

As you said, they weren't attacked so who needs 'em, right?

jjcourtright

01-12-2004, 03:29 PM

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I hate myself for admitting this because I don't like Bush one bit, but I'll probably end up voting for Bush because I don't see any good opposition.

[/ QUOTE ] I agree with the no good opposition statement, but I can't see voting for Bush based on that. I don't see there being any better opposition four years from now. It seems somewhat likely that Hillary will be attempting to run in '08. Even if she doesn't win the nomination, I think that it will be pretty hurtful for the Democrats because people seem to hate her so much. I think it will end up as a sort of hatred by association thing. So, it doesn't seem that "the knife" will be removed anytime soon. To me, voting for Bush would end up being very counterproductive. That's why I'm voting for the Rev. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Robbo_the_Hood

01-12-2004, 03:47 PM

Well, it's not necessarily that there's no opposition, I'll be more upset at the guy who promises to do the opposite of Bush but then doesn't. See, whatever anyone promises, getting out of Iraq isn't going to be an easy chore. And while I don't think I can take another four years of that Texas shit-eating grin, as long as no one offers any valid sollutions, I'll be stuck with voting for him.

Matt1

01-12-2004, 04:15 PM

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Next came Matt1 making fun of the link.

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Woah, woah, woah, my friend. I think you need to go back and reread my post if your loping me in with the dog-pile that followed. Yes, some of the ads I ripped to shreds; others I agreed with in my own jokey kind of way. I just hate political ads. They're always either extremely hyperbolic and negative, or milquetoast and bland. It's bad enough that the nightly news tries to sum up politics and all the issues in thirty minutes, but to try to have it summed up in thirty seconds?

I'm not breaking my pledge to abstain from political discussion, I just felt the need to clear my name.

Razorback

01-12-2004, 04:19 PM

If you have a problem with your neighbor down by 144 Outward Lane and then one day your dog ends up dead and you find out that your neighbor from 127 Outward Lane did it, who would you go after?

You would probably go after the guy at 127 Outward Lane; probably calling the police or trying to get some evidence against him. Now, if your car ends up on fire and you discover that it was the guy at 190 Outward Lane who did it you would probably go after him too.

But what happens when you discover that these attacks on your property was being waged because of the guy at 144 Outward Lane? That he was paying these other neighbors to attack you and that they were more than willing to do it?

Would you keep just going after the people who attacked you, never making a dent in the problem? Or would you blow up the fuckshit at 144?

RB

Matt1

01-12-2004, 04:28 PM

I would make a false analogy. But that's just me.

karmattack

01-12-2004, 04:32 PM

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To call that number overblown is an understatement.
The "movement" lied about their numbers. Not saying you did, the so-called leaders did.
Have'nt You noticed that it all died pretty quickly?
That says a WHOLE lot.

[/ QUOTE ] Dude, if you would have been there in D.C. or in my state capital (Lansing), which you obviously weren't, you would know the numbers are not a lie. The reason it has died down is because people with my mindset are afraid of people with yours. It this forum NOT proof enough? As soon as the war began, right wingers or Bush supporters couldn't wait to say we supported terrorism or we don't support our soldiers. It was a beat down, and even though the accusations change it's just like what this turned into.
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Oh please, now that is some real B.S. Karma. It's about this high right now. *JIM raises hand above His head*

[/ QUOTE ] What the fuck? That is a simple statement. 12 million were counted marching. Not everyone who protested the war actually MARCHED and, hence, were not counted in that figure. What the hell is your problem? Are you just contesting me to be difficult? That's a simple, factual statement.

Tell ya what, JIM. I'll stop playing the victim and apologize for accusing you of being a part of a gang rush, if you lay off and assure me I was wrong to do so. So far, not helping.
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Yeah? So what? They don't have My nation's security in mind. They did'nt get attacked. They're not the one's who are being targeted by numerous countries with ties to terrorism. Most of them have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Screw them.

[/ QUOTE ] Dude, where are you coming up with this nonsense? Just because an American can go to France and maybe get a scoff [a, AH, singular, maybe], doesn't mean France and their leaders don't care about us and our place in the world. Don't even get me started on the rest of the nations you include in that blanket statement. How long exactly did it take for you to forget all the crying faces from the nations around the world who laid flowers down on the gates of our Embassy buildings? We had inertia and momentum and it was squandered because our leader is a cowboy. I'm saying we could have used that momentum tactfully, been patient and done things appropriately. But we didn't. Bush ordered out the six shooters and started blazing. Saddam was a "threat" when Bush Sr. went after him......mmmm-more than a decade ago? Another year or two of diplomacy and political action would have been nothing if not to our advantage. Frankly, I don't know if my response to this statement is good enough to debunk it. It's pretty out there.
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Oh, how? With more resolutions? More talks at the table for another decade?
It was time to put foot to ass on this one. Not crazy about the fact it had to happen, but it was time.

[/ QUOTE ] That's much more "your opinion" than it is "fact." We could have taken Saddam out of power in other ways. We could have even started a war in other ways. There are always many paths up a mountain and some of them are better than others. I believe this was among the worst.
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So why the hell did you set yourself up like that? Really, do Yourself a favor next time and don't post someone else's propaganda. Take the time to post your own words and views. That type of stuff is best left to people like "Dirty Sanchez/Jack Sparrow". I really believe that all of us here expect much more of You than that.

[/ QUOTE ]I will, trust me. Thank you for the last part.
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The fact it is riddled with half-truths and full on lies.

[/ QUOTE ] Hey, so you DO understand how I feel about Bush and his Admin. afterall! /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

karmattack

01-12-2004, 04:38 PM

Dude, before I even read your post, I'm going to respond. I'm not saying you attacked me. Damn. This is just like JIM. I'm talking about the way I took it. You explained later that you were just trying to make fun of everything and diffuse it all. But you have to understand what it looked like from a different perspective.
I'm not trying to start shit with you. I felt attacked at the time, but I understand now. A'ight?

Matt1

01-12-2004, 04:44 PM

I didn't think you were trying to start "shit." I just felt the need to clarify my statements, even though I thought it was pretty clear at the time I was being facetious. I can see now how you could take it as a jab at you, but I'm just saying that wasn't my intent.

No harm, no foul.

Mighty_Wingman

01-12-2004, 04:44 PM

I think I'm just going to join Matt1. Before anyone lectures me about throwing away my vote on the Green Party let me just say, I care not. No One is going to have their mind changed by any the things said here, if they do then I pity them. Because you all have very small penises.
I don't mean small like three inches long and as big around as a pencil I mean small like microscopic , like you don't even know it's there until you're peeing. Women don't point and giggle, they say " Oh my God, where is it ? "

Matt1 for President !!!! All Hail Matt1 !!!!

Matt1

01-12-2004, 04:48 PM

::Clasps hands together malevolently. Smiles.::

Excellent.

Razorback

01-12-2004, 05:06 PM

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false analogy

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Nah, you would probably just make a statement that had nothing to do with the problem. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

RB

JIM

01-12-2004, 05:10 PM

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There is a fine line between patriotic and xenaphobic that this statement seems to straddle.

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No, You misinterpreted My statement Robbo.
I am not stricken with that disease zenophobia.Everyone has the right to protest what they want.

By the way, wether England likes it or not, they are involved. It has everything to do with them. There are a ton of terrorist cells that have set up shop in England, London in particular. Right across the channel too in France. All of these networks do have relations, or at the very least, a common percieved enemy. Us, England, and anyone else who they believe sides with the two.
As far as going after these morons, once again RB put it pretty damn well. It's basically how I would put it.
He just beat Me to the punch.
His explanation points out what is going on right now on the global stage. It's a cavalcade of madmen all sharing the same boat and it has to be sunk.

JIM

01-12-2004, 05:22 PM

Yeah, okey-dokey, uh-huh, sure, great, that's craptastic.

I'm done with You. I can really go off and punch holes in your "facts" and do what You initally accused Me of, which I did'nt in the first place.
But I'm going to take the semi-high road on this and just ignore you. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

karmattack

01-12-2004, 05:45 PM

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that's craptastic

[/ QUOTE ] Wrong again. It's spanktacular.

Robbo_the_Hood

01-13-2004, 01:39 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
If you have a problem with your neighbor down by 144 Outward Lane and then one day your dog ends up dead and you find out that your neighbor from 127 Outward Lane did it, who would you go after?

You would probably go after the guy at 127 Outward Lane; probably calling the police or trying to get some evidence against him. Now, if your car ends up on fire and you discover that it was the guy at 190 Outward Lane who did it you would probably go after him too.

But what happens when you discover that these attacks on your property was being waged because of the guy at 144 Outward Lane? That he was paying these other neighbors to attack you and that they were more than willing to do it?

Would you keep just going after the people who attacked you, never making a dent in the problem? Or would you blow up the fuckshit at 144?

[/ QUOTE ] <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I would make a false analogy. But that's just me.

[/ QUOTE ] See, if I wasn't at work I would have told RB he sure brought in some nice oranges to go with those apples we were discussing.

karmattack

01-13-2004, 01:52 PM

For those who haven't read about Bush's first treasure secretary.... Spilling Secrets (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3925358/)

jjcourtright

01-13-2004, 02:43 PM

Man, Paul O'Neill got old quick.
http://www.futilityinfielder.com/pauloneill123.jpg
Didn't he just retire like two years ago?

R_U_18

01-13-2004, 02:48 PM

Hey, whats six foot long and wrapped around a piece of shit?

A turban....

jjcourtright

01-13-2004, 02:56 PM

I don't get it.

EDIT: Well, I get it, but I don't get what it has to do with either Paul O'Neill.

R_U_18

01-13-2004, 03:02 PM

I just thought I should make a joke that might offend somebody to get the heat off of others in this thread...

jjcourtright

01-13-2004, 03:05 PM

Yeah? Well fuck you then! /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

Matthew

01-13-2004, 06:44 PM

I try so hard to give you a chance, but I am sick of you!

Although I got a few chuckles, and really thought you were making an attempt to be decent, you come up with this crap.

Man, what is your problem? Some of the things you say are so f*cking stupid!

THINK before you post!

Donnie_Darko

01-13-2004, 07:57 PM

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There are a ton of terrorist cells that have set up shop in England, London in particular.

[/ QUOTE ]

Really?

karmattack

01-14-2004, 10:35 AM

From the Drudge Report:

Celebrity activists unleashed a torrent of obscenity-laced insults and allegations against Republicans and the Bush Administration -- just a week after the site's founders apologized for posting two political messages on the Internet comparing President Bush to Hitler.

The DRUDGE REPORT can now present a partial transcript of the event, as provided by various DRUDGE sources:

MARGARET CHO (Comedian) --

* "Despite all of this stupid bullsh-- that the Republican National Committee, or whatever the f--- they call them, that they were saying that they're all angry about how two of these ads were comparing Bush to Hitler? I mean, out of thousands of submissions, they find two. They're like fu--ing looking for Hitler in a hawstack. You now? I mean, George Bush is not Hitler. He would be if he fu--ing applied himself." big, extended applause) "I mean he just isn't."

* "I think this last year has just proven how stupid Republicans are." (big applause)

* "For example, Judge Roy Moore, or Jay Moore or whatever, in Alabama. [inaudible] ... Ten Commandments statue stay in the lobby of a courthouse. 'You can't move the Word of God! You cannot remove the Franklin Mint edition of the Word of God!' [said in Southern accent] People are protesting there and like, I think it could have been solved so much easier if they had just placed a golden calf next to the statue and then people would have started worshipping that. And then they could have moved the Ten Commandments to Bush's office -- which he needs them, desperately. Or maybe he needs a new version of the Ten Commandments -- George W. Bush's Ten Commandments: Thou shalt not steal...votes. (big applause) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's...country. (big applause) Thou shalt not kill...for oil. (big applause) Thou shalt not take grammar...in vain. (big applause) I mean, whatever fu--ing happened to separation of church and state? I mean, you can't like, impose your god on my god. God has many names. God is God, God is Jehovah, God is Allah, God is Buddah, God is Beyonce. (laughter) You know, you cannot impose your God on other people. And ah, George W. Bush is coming out with the weirdest stance on same-sex marriage as well. What he says about it is, well, 'well, we're all sinners.' No we're not! Just because somebody ate an apple one time does not make us all sinners. And if it was from the tree of knowledge, I think she should have eaten more than one. (laughter) Possibly even baked a pie." (applause) "I don't understand the whole same-sex marriage thing. He was quoted by saying, 'well, you you uh, just gotta take the speck out of your own eye before you take the co-- out of your neighbor's.'" [in Southern accent] (laughter)

* "I mean, I'm afraid of terrorists, but I'm more afraid of the Patriot Act." (big applause)

CHUCK D (Rapper -- Public Enemy)

* Cut off, but he appears to refer to American government under Bush Administration as "cancer of civilization."

* "But truly, seriously, quite frankly, the people are smart enough to realize that the world is important and we only have one life [or right, unclear], that's tired of this bullsh--, or better than that, tired of this Bushsh--" (big applause)

* "Americanization is like McDonaldization"

* "Son of a Bush and his crew is at it again, because, we do not want 8 years run by a Colon, a Bush and a Dick." (big applause)

JULIA STILES (Actress)

* "I was worried that some soldiers over in Iraq who are actually younger than I am would see some salacious report on MSNBC and think that I was attacking them and not the government that put them there. And I was afraid that Bill O'Reilly would come and, with a shotgun at my front door and shoot me for being unpatriotic. But I decided that that's actually, that fear that was silencing me is actually why it's so important that MoveOn exist and do this ad contest..."

AL FRANKEN

*"I'm Al Franken. I'm here to present the funniest ad award. I'm a last-minute substitution, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was supposed to be the presenter, but unfortunately he was murdered."

Matt1

01-14-2004, 07:00 PM

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*"I'm Al Franken. I'm here to present the funniest ad award. I'm a last-minute substitution, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was supposed to be the presenter, but unfortunately he was murdered."

[/ QUOTE ]

I think Al's been off his game for a while now, but I thought that was pretty damn funny.

R_U_18

01-14-2004, 07:21 PM

what the fuck are you talking about?