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Matt1

11-24-2003, 03:16 AM

What's going on? (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031124/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq&cid=540&ncid=716)

Threadkiller

11-24-2003, 03:25 AM

That sucks.

I was going to say something about how this reminds me of Somalia in 1993 but it's pointless. This just sucks.

Matthew

11-24-2003, 03:28 AM

Ditto

Razorback

11-24-2003, 05:22 AM

Mob mentality, bigotry, xenophobia, anger, frustration, hatred, youth... this will probably not be the last time something like this happens.

RB

zhaoyun

11-24-2003, 08:06 AM

ouch!

Thom_Fowler

11-24-2003, 03:57 PM

And a few guys in a five sided office building in Virginia have a collection of young people who they have trained to take the hit while the guys in the office do their administrative doo-daddling.

And now it's out of control and the only way they know how to deal with it is to keep feeding bodies into the furnace. It's kind of like throwing money at a problem.

If I think about what we Americans are doing to our own people by sending them to their deaths for no apparent reason, I will go insane.

The pentagon loves this stuff though. They and the Bush Administration are masters at warcraft and social and political instability. That is all they know how to do and their entire reason for existing.

They do not study peace in order to create it. They study war in order to engage in it.

-Thom Fowler

Jack_Sparrow

11-24-2003, 04:37 PM

"If someone is killed his family has to take revenge," Abed. "The Americans kill people by mistake and then apologize the next day. This doesn't work here ... The Americans make nothing but empty promises. There's no electricity, no petrol and no work." taken from the link provided

The problem as i see it is that several Iraqi's will have the same views as Abed here, and will be only to happy to disrupt and try to derail any plans for a government put in place by the west.

In the UK although totally different reasoning behind it we have had a bombing campaign for over 20 years by the IRA and splinter groups which have claimed many lives and is only now seeing signs of any resolve. One of the problems with this conflict was that the majority of good law abiding people did not support or get involved at all with acts of terrorism.

But my point is that it is not the majority of the population, it is the minorities the people who feel the need for revenge or claim a higher purpose for their actions do not represent the population but have a tremendous effect on it. So whether most of Iraqi's welcome us it not them that are the problem. In a nutshell, one stone dropped into water can cause ripples !

So whilst i agree that several if not the majority of Iraqis will welcome the invasion by the coalition these are not the people that would participate in acts of terrorism. I think that many Iraqis will resent a "Western" style of government and a similar situation to that experienced with the IRA in England will develop over the coming months and years !

I hope to be proved wrong

Matt1

11-24-2003, 04:40 PM

Jack- I think that was the most intelligent and logical thing you have ever written on this site. Well done.

Razorback

11-24-2003, 05:28 PM

At least your post wasn't filled with anti-American rhetoric. I am impressed. Well reasoned and thought out... who are you?! /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

RB

Jack_Sparrow

11-24-2003, 05:55 PM

Why thank you RB /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

Oh and for the record i really do like america and most americans i know !!

ILovePapaSmurf

11-24-2003, 05:57 PM

I don't think I am not on his list of 'Americans he likes. ' /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

Mighty_Wingman

11-24-2003, 06:21 PM

Somebody call " Ripleys " Jack posted something and didn't even get ripped for it.

Thoms' was very good too.

I also disagree with the war for the reasons listed above. I just wasn't able to phrase it so eloquently.
I believe peace in the middle east is a pipedream.I hope I am wrong and whether or not I am, I will never blame anything that happens over there on our brave service men and women who have sacrificed their freedom and lives to that extent.
Post 9-11 there was all this talk about not letting terrorist influence our way of life and the fact that we're still in Iraq and (apparently ) will be for many years is evidence they have, and will continue to affect our way of life.
Americans are afforded the freedoms we have, because Americans themselves were willing to fight and die for it. Not because some other country ousted our government and told us what we should believe.
My point being , if Iraq wanted to be a free democracy they would be giving their own lives to that end.

Razorback

11-24-2003, 06:25 PM

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Americans are afforded the freedoms we have, because Americans themselves were willing to fight and die for it. Not because some other country ousted our government and told us what we should believe.

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Then what was the Civil War about? /forums/images/icons/wink.gif One ideology being forced on a people who believed in another. Having said that, I have no illusions about what will happen in Iraq. I have no idea what is to come... and no one else does either.

RB

hotlips_hooligan

11-24-2003, 06:31 PM

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I don't think I am not on his list of 'Americans he likes.

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I ammmmmmmmmmmm! He wuuuuuuvs me! huh Jack!? /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

Jack_Sparrow

11-24-2003, 06:35 PM

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I ammmmmmmmmmmm! He wuuuuuuvs me! huh Jack!?

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in the words of Kojak - "Who loves ya baby " i sure do /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

hotlips_hooligan

11-24-2003, 06:41 PM

*sigh*

Ok sorry about that peeps! *spirit of the thread* This is so very sad. All I can say about this thread is God bless our troops and may they come home as soon as possible ALIVE!

Jack_Sparrow

11-24-2003, 06:46 PM

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Ok sorry about that peeps! *spirit of the thread* This is so very sad. All I can say about this thread is God bless our troops and may they come home as soon as possible ALIVE!

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I'd second that, you guys know how i feel about our guys being there but i wish them a safe journey and hope they ALL get home safely with no more unnecessary bloodshed

Oh and smurfette i like ya just fine /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

Matt1

11-24-2003, 10:44 PM

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I have no idea what is to come... and no one else does either.

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Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and, oh yeah amost forgot, George Bush seemed to have had some pretty definitive ideas of how things were going to turn out in Iraq. Anyone else recall the "Happy Iraqi"...?

Razorback

11-24-2003, 11:30 PM

How else do you sell a war? By saying "we will win the war but then after that war our guys will die in greater numbers"? We can try that when you are president. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

RB

Matt1

11-24-2003, 11:36 PM

When I am President there will be no more wars, for the world will be united under my benevolent rule.

How would I bring the globe under my control without force of arms you ask? Simple: I will throw the kegger to end all keggers at the United Nations, and I will offer to be all the world leader's designated sovreign. The plan is a prime example of beauty in simplicity.

Razorback

11-24-2003, 11:51 PM

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When I am President there will be no more wars, for the world will be united under my benevolent rule

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Bill Clinton?

RB

Denyse

11-25-2003, 12:18 AM

Sounds more like H. Ross to me...