View Full Version : Lee: U.S. needs to 'wake up'
ILovePapaSmurf
09-17-2003, 07:48 PM
I thought this might be an interesting read for you all. Spike Lee was in Redlands California yesterday and I was going to go, but declined the invitation. Here is the article about what he said at the event.
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Lee: U.S. needs to 'wake up'
Filmmaker talks to U of R crowd
By LEIGH MUZSLAY, Staff Writer
REDLANDS - He got a standing ovation before he even spoke a word.
And, boy, did Spike Lee speak. About films. About the president. About Iraq, hip hop, standardized tests, Michael Moore and much, much more.
About 750 people crowded into the University of Redlands Memorial Chapel 0on Tuesday night to hear the man behind films such as "Do the Right Thing,' "Jungle Fever,' "Malcolm X,' "Four Little Girls,' "Summer of Sam,' "Bamboozled' and, most recently, "25th Hour.'
Americans, he said, need to "wake up' and stop accepting everything the media and the government say.
"Stop going for the okie-doke,' Lee said. "You have to examine stuff.'
He railed against the war in Iraq, George Bush, Dick Cheney and the apathy of the American people.
"We as a people are more concerned with J.Lo and Ben Affleck than these so-called weapons of mass destruction,' Lee said, adding that 158 soldiers have died since the war in Iraq "ended.'
North Korea, he said, was a much greater threat.
"But they don't have resources,' he said. "We've got rice. We've got all the rice we need. We don't have oil.'
He took stabs at the 2000 election debacle, the National Rifle Association, reality television, stereotypical roles for African-Americans and comedies such as "Bringing Down the House' and "Marci X,' in which "the uptight white person is shown humanity by someone from the hood.'
Lee called Michael Moore's documentary about gun violence in America the most important film of last year. He criticized the culture of violence that musical artists like hip-hop singer 50 Cent cultivate and rang in on the presidential election.
"The only one who's making sense is Al Sharpton, but he's not going to win,' Lee said.
Sharpton isn't the only one in Lee's book.
"I'm convinced George Bush will not win,' he said to applause from the audience.
Lee's future lies in TV. Not his recent battle with Viacom over changing TNN's moniker to Spike TV he's working on two cable dramas.
The first, for Showtime, is about Black and Chinese gangs in San Francisco. The second will likely be ESPN's second dramatic series.
Before launching into a political spiel and taking questions Tuesday, Lee discussed his life in brief.
He was born in Atlanta in 1957 and, like his father and grandfather, attended Morehouse College there. But, as evident in his films, Lee is a New Yorker. He grew up in Brooklyn, went to New York University's Tisch School of the Arts for graduate school and lives in Manhattan.
Growing up, the diminutive Lee dreamed of playing second base for the Mets, "but genetics conspired against that.'
His interest in film didn't develop until after his sophomore year in college when, having returned to New York unemployed, he spent 1977 the "Summer of Sam' documenting the city with a camera someone had given him.
He applied to the top three film schools in the country, but didn't have the GRE scores to get into USC and UCLA. So he went to NYU.
"I'm still against standardized tests being used as the only way to determine if someone belongs,' Lee said.
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Threadkiller
09-17-2003, 07:58 PM
okie-doke, Spike.
Razorback
09-17-2003, 08:34 PM
Blah, blah, blah... oh my God, can it get any more politically left? I try to avoid the bullpoop of both political extremes. What people like Spike ignore is that what they preach is not very different from what they preach against.
Beware of people who say things like "Trust me" and "Wake up" or "You have to examine stuff" followed by a trashing of one specific political or personal orientation.
Lee doesn't want you to "wake up" he wants you to agree with him. And if you do not agree with him then you are part of the problem. Right Spike. Sharpton, who perpetuated one of the biggest racist lies in modern history, is the only one making sense.
So, democrats are the righteous... check. Sharpton is a social and political genius... check. Republicans are evil... check. The media is conservative and working against the people... check. The American people are apathetic about the current (evil, like Satan) administration because it is busy thinking about Ben and Jennifer... check.
I am so glad I read that article. Must buy the Spike Lee DVD collection... check.
RB
Threadkiller
09-17-2003, 08:40 PM
Maybe I'm cynical but I sense irony when a celebrity tells me to stop listening to the media and the hype. Telling me not to go for the quick 'okie-doke' while simultaneously asking me to agree with their point of view because they say so. While I agree with some of what he says, I'm not a big fan of the way he's saying it.
EternalStrife
09-17-2003, 08:49 PM
Maybe that's how he see's it himself. He said that people tend to follow the media blindly. So he's using that very same fact to get people to listen to him - a media icon - in an effort to encourage people to stop.
Droogan_Leader
09-17-2003, 08:50 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with RB.
I wish someone important somewhere would just stand up and say, when given an opportunity to speak like that, "Hey, I'm not the President of the USA, and I have no idea what I'm talking about, much less the pressures and qualifications that come with a position like that."
Has anybody heard that from anyone--ever? Pretty much 99% of the country, if given half that responsibility, would shit their pants on the spot.
And, more importantly, when are these actors/actresses/directors going to get it through their heads that just because they are paid millions for their movies, that doesn't make us care about their opinions!
On that note, shut the f*ck up, Spike Lee! I should've used the time to read that article to watch Spike TV. Back to watching the goofy Japanese people on Most Extreme Elimination Challenge..
Threadkiller
09-17-2003, 08:51 PM
Damn that show's funny. I wish it didn't have those hackneyed comedians doing the voiceover though.
EternalStrife
09-17-2003, 08:56 PM
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And, more importantly, when are these actors/actresses/directors going to get it through their heads that just because they are paid millions for their movies, that doesn't make us care about their opinions!
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Well that's just the problem, isn't it? The fact that they're not able to comprehend anything else is that they believe that achieving fame and fortune allows them different point of views from the public. They can't get it through their heads because their heads are already clogged up with fame and fortune.
Razorback
09-17-2003, 09:07 PM
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So he's using that very same fact to get people to listen to him - a media icon - in an effort to encourage people to stop.
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He does not want us to do anything but agree with his point of view. That is what ALL people who say things like "wake up" are trying to do. If someone truly wanted people to become "free thinkers" then they would give them all sides... or better yet, allow people to discover all sides.
Only the converted or weak minded buy into this kind of crap anyway.
RB
EternalStrife
09-17-2003, 09:10 PM
That's why I never bother to listen to anything political celebrities have to say.
Omaru
09-17-2003, 09:12 PM
He does slightly have a point though, people should wake up and make decisions for themselves, not do whatever he or the government say they should, I think a line from one of my fave games sums it up
"we're not tools of the government or anyone else"
EternalStrife
09-17-2003, 09:17 PM
But what about the idea of Hobbes social construct?
Zens_7s
09-17-2003, 09:17 PM
What does everybody expect? After Spike's failed last few films, and the little "Spike TV" debacle, he had to find some outlet to get publicity. What's the best way to get people to pay attention to you? We were all 14 once, so we know this answer. Say something that will get negative attention and suddenly everybody pays attention to Spike again. He is a press whore, but not a very good one, and should stick to making films.
The sad fact is that many citizens blindly accept a celebrity’s opinion as fact, and put it ahead of their own opinion. Or even worse, they use it as their opinion instead of investigating worthwhile political analysts.
EternalStrife
09-17-2003, 09:21 PM
But what can you do about it? I mean, most people nowadays follow their celebrity idol more closely than they do paying attention to their own lives. I mean, they spend countless amounts of time discussing lives of people they have never even met and probably never will.
Zens_7s
09-17-2003, 09:23 PM
Yep, and that is exactly what people like Spike count on. Push their own agenda because they know most people are sheep. That, and lots of people want to sleep with Ben Affleck.
EternalStrife
09-17-2003, 09:26 PM
Not me. I want to sleep with Jennifer Love Hewitt.
Zens_7s
09-17-2003, 09:29 PM
Well yes. That works also. But you didn't hear Spike invoking the name of J.Love.Hewett in his publicity whoredom, did you? Poor J. Love.
Oh spike... You silly bitch.
Al sharpton, making sense!?
Hah!
Razorback
09-17-2003, 10:54 PM
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He does slightly have a point though, people should wake up and make decisions for themselves, not do whatever he or the government say they should, I think a line from one of my fave games sums it up
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You really believe that people do whatever the government says? You have bought into the BS.
RB
Omaru
09-17-2003, 11:07 PM
well no, but they shouldn't be ignorant of it all either
Razorback
09-17-2003, 11:15 PM
Who are "they" and where is the statistical analysis of their ignorance?
How can you be sure that you are not one of them? /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
RB
Matt1
09-17-2003, 11:17 PM
I agree with your post partly RB, in that politicians on both sides need to stop vilifying their opposition and just deal with the facts and issues. I disagree wholeheartedly with the direction the Bush Administration has taken my country, but I don't think the man is evil incarnate. Working backward from the conclusion that, "Bush is evil, therefore everything he does is evil," gets us nowhere. We should all examine the issues individually and than make a judgment on the whole, not the other way around.
But I do disagree on one point...
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The American people are apathetic about the current (evil, like Satan) administration because it is busy thinking about Ben and Jennifer... check.
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I hate to say this, but it's become readily apparent to me that the American people are dumb-asses. 70 percent believe that Saddam Hussein was personally involved with 9/11. I wish I could say I was shocked by that statistic, but after everything that's happened these past few years (hell my entire life) I barely shrugged.
After 9/11 what was the message inspirational message President Bush delivered to the people? "Continue buying crap or else the terrorists have truly won." And everybody lapped it up. When people say that American have become more conscious of foreign affairs since 9/11, I just laugh. If anything the opposite has happened. People tried getting involved for a little while, sure, but the world proved to be a too scary and complicated place for them to deal with. Obsessing over J. Lo and Affleck is not only a return to the status-quo, but now it's a welcome alternative from the pressure of dealing with our modern, [censored]-up world.
Not to mention everybody is just hunky-dory with his dreadful tax-plan, because, "Hey I got my 500 dollar check in the mail. Everything is ok." It really makes me mad. Not mad in the angry sense, mad in the crazy sense. I want to go out and walk the streets with a baseball bat sometimes and just beat random people savagely and repeatedly.
I do think the American people need to wake up. I didn't need Spike Lee to tell me that.
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Threadkiller
09-17-2003, 11:17 PM
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Who are "they" and where is the statistical analysis of their ignorance?
[/ QUOTE ] Not to get in the middle of this but one example of 'they' might be the ratings numbers for shows like Limbaugh and O'Reilly's
Omaru
09-17-2003, 11:20 PM
by they I mean joe public, as for stats and backing up my points...... I failed english in school, so should I be expected to be clever? did I meantion I have an I.Q of 119......tarded to boot is me, oh look, limited edition blue smarties *runs away*
Razorback
09-17-2003, 11:33 PM
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hate to say this, but it's become readily apparent to me that the American people are dumb-asses.
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After 9/11 what was the message inspirational message President Bush delivered to the people? "Continue buying crap or else the terrorists have truly won."
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You are simplifying things, and that is not the sign of someone who is "with it" more than the "stupid Americans." You are a part of the community of people who like things in small bits instead of large bytes (computer speak) if this is how you view events. Why not speak to everything else that was said after 9/11? You are taking one thing that was said and qualifying it as a defining request by the President.
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And everybody lapped it up.
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Everyone? Absolute statements are always wrong.
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When people say that American have become more conscious of foreign affairs since 9/11, I just laugh.
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Have non-Americans become more conscious of American affairs since 9/11? Not particularly. Does Europe have any greater clue about the goings on of Canada, US, Central and South America? I would guess that the answer is no. How aware of the rest of the world have Americans been throughout history? This is a problem greater than the events of the last 2 years, or the current leadership and the mindset of the country.
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If anything the opposite has happened. People tried getting involved for a little while, sure, but the world proved to be a too scary and complicated place for them to deal with.
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How did they try to get involved? I am not following you here. I did not see anyone trying very hard to understand anything outside of the US borders.
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Obsessing over J. Lo and Affleck is not only a return to the status-quo, but now it's a welcome alternative from the pressure of dealing with our modern, [censored]-up world.
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And now we come to the real reason for everything... the media is at fault. If the media wanted to try and sell the American people a different message they could, but instead the mass media sticks with what is easy... fear, drama, negativity and beautiful people.
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Not to mention everybody is just hunky-dory with his dreadful tax-plan
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Again, absolutes...
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"Hey I got my 500 dollar check in the mail. Everything is ok." It really makes me mad.
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That doesn't make you right. Get mad, but (and I know, it's strange) people really like money.
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Not mad in the angry sense, mad in the crazy sense. I want to go out and walk the streets with a baseball bat sometimes and just beat random people savagely and repeatedly.
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Do it.
RB
Razorback
09-17-2003, 11:35 PM
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Not to get in the middle of this but one example of 'they' might be the ratings numbers for shows like Limbaugh and O'Reilly's
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I see, so if it is perceived as a conservative or Republican then the only people patronizing that media are stupid... check.
RB
Threadkiller
09-17-2003, 11:41 PM
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I see, so if it is perceived as a conservative or Republican then the only people patronizing that media are stupid... check.
[/ QUOTE ] By no means. That's why I ridiculed Lee for his comments. He's doing the same thing in one breath he's telling us to avoid in the next.
Don't get me started on the tax cut though. It is insulting to pay my taxes and then have them returned to me as if someone was doing me some kind of favor by giving me back my own money. You've already got it, spend it on something useful instead of launching that deficit back up there.
Razorback
09-17-2003, 11:45 PM
The government would have to first figure out how to spend it CORRECTLY.
RB
Threadkiller
09-17-2003, 11:49 PM
Point taken. I'd rather they just don't take my money in the first place.
I did want to mention that O'Reilly's just as much a hypocrite as Lee. On his radio show he claims to have 'no spin'. Like he's really objective. As if. Let's face it, stupid people who believe this stuff know no boundaries, political or otherwise.
Razorback
09-17-2003, 11:59 PM
Agreed. However, he does take all sides on, so at least he is nearly original.
RB
Matt1
09-18-2003, 12:15 AM
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Everyone? Absolute statements are always wrong.
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Excuse my error and please allow me to rephrase some of my key points:
It has become readily apparent to me that the majority of American people are dumb-asses.
The majority of people lapped it up.
Not to mention the majority is just hunky-dory with his dreadful tax-plan. Perhaps "hunky-dory" was a poor choice of words. I'll go with willfully ignorant of it's implications instead.
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Why not speak to everything else that was said after 9/11?
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Because I was talking about a specific issue. Yes, President Bush said alot thing's I agreed with after September 11. If I implied that was the only thing he said (and you believed that) my aplogies.
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You are a part of the community of people who like things in small bits instead of large bytes (computer speak) if this is how you view events.
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This is not how I view events. I know a lot of people say they look at all sides of an issue and make up their minds, but I actually do it. I know it's strange. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
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Do it.
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Care to join me? I have an extra bat. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
Now don't take this as an implied admission of your superior reasoning abilities RB, but I'm through talking politics for now. In fact I've always kind of tried to avoid it here, seeing as this is a website with the word poop in the title devoted to movies and many of life's other little fun diversions.
Razorback
09-18-2003, 12:25 AM
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It has become readily apparent to me that the majority of American people are dumb-asses.
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You and I agree... but I bet you think it is because they eat up what the Republicans have been telling them, and I think it is because they eat up what the Democrats have been telling them. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
Point of view is so scary.
RB
Matt1
09-18-2003, 12:35 AM
I think the problem is that people only want to hear things that reinforce their own ideas and make themselves feel comfortable and safe. Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty of pandering to that desire.
Plus, Republican's eat babies. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
Threadkiller
09-18-2003, 12:41 AM
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Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty
[/ QUOTE ] Exactly. As I said, much like genius, stupidity knows no boundaries.
Razorback
09-18-2003, 01:56 AM
And the "free" thinkers are just as guilty of it too.
RB
'cause we all know that spike is all about substance...
Fluff? Nah...
http://www.sportsposterwarehouse.com/warehouse/jordan360nike-1.jpg
It's gotta be the shoes...
psychofiend
09-18-2003, 04:54 PM
I have no idea what's going on here, men.
http://www.denverbouldermusic.com/Resources/towelie.GIF
EternalStrife
09-18-2003, 04:54 PM
I give up on this post.
psychofiend
09-18-2003, 05:06 PM
Well fine be a bitch. [censored] tramp.
EternalStrife
09-18-2003, 05:08 PM
Why you.....you....go....you just wait, I'll have some snappy comeback, then you'll see.
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