Liz Phair

[psychofiend]

Well, we have what shoud be star material here. I believe that Liz Phair is definitely going to be huge soon. Now, I know what you're thinking "Him like Liz Phair?? That song 'Why can't I' isn't exactly the kind of stuff a person with a name like psychofiend would like." Actually, I love that song but what i really like is this other stuff I downloaded, it has lyrics that say things that make my jaw drop, yet these lyrics are catchy but who would walk down the street singing lyrics such as "every time I see your face I get all wet betweeen my legs." Her music has probably not been big enough for me to hear because it is so risk-ay. I'm sure there are a ton of others here who downloaded "Why can't I" and then "Flower" and were shocked to realize it was the same person. blah blah blah, I know shut up fiend.
http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1998/feb/02-12-98/photos/lizphair.gif

[Robbo_the_Hood]

Next you'll be posting something about Ani Difranco. Gosh, I thought Liz Phair was someone I'd heard of in the early ninties. Guess I was wrong.

[MinerWerks]

Well, until just recently, ol' Liz didn't put out anything that I would call "commercial"... Well, there was a song called "Supernova" back in the mid 90s, not a bad hook at all, and widely played. I like a few of her tunes, particularly stuff from her last album, WHITECHOCOLATESPACEEGG.

Anyway, Liz has definitely jumped on the hitmaking bandwagon with her new album. And some people think it's a load of shite. Some of the songs were co-written and produced by "The Matrix," a team of former rock musicians-turned-producers who made Avril Lavigne's hits. Some of Liz's songs sound like the Avril material, but I think it fits Liz much better. And I can actually buy these songs as an extension of Liz Phair, where Avril Lavigne seems intent on stealing credit for her album when she has no clue about the music industry. I'm predicting now -If The Matrix aren't doing Lavigne's sophomore disc, be prepared for a big stinker.

Anyway, Liz Phair's self-titled album - take it for what it is, a slice of carefully crafted pop with damn fine hooks, served with a side of tunes like she used to write 'em - personal and a bit dirty.

[Zens_7s]

Well said Derek.

KarmaAttack and I were talking about this in another long lost thread. I have been a huge Liz fan since Exile in Guyville came out in 93'. If you are liking her now Psycho; go listen to that album a few times. It will blow your doors down. Whipsmart and Whitechocolatespaceegg are great also.

I felt a bit betrayed when I bought her new album. The production by The Matrix was so slick the CD slid out of the player and tried to walk itself to the used CD store. Liz is best when she is gritty, a little sleazy, and totally real. In years past, she drew in real women who thought, "damn - I totally get that, that's me too." Now I feel like she is far too cool to be me. Stupid but true. Neither do I relate to anything while listening to Avril. The album is growing on me in a pop vein, but it seems to lack all the reality that made her flat-out kick ass in the mid-90's.

[MinerWerks]

Thanks, Zens,

See, I don't mind slick production sometimes. And there's something about The Matrix's work that appeals to me. And the three people of that team are not tech-school geeks or young turks, they're working musicians who were getting in their 30s and lacked the youthful energy to keep trying to break their own material. I was surprised to learn one-third of the trio was Lauren Chrsty, whose last album, "Breed," I actually dug.

Everyone who is giving Liz crap for the Matrix tracks ought to take a good listen to the other two-thirds of the album (some produced by Michael Penn fer crissakes!) and tell me she's totally sold out. There's some solid stuff there, which compliments the slicker stuff amazingly well. Just because Liz might cut back on the shocking persona, I think she's totaly earned it, and I don't think she's posturing on this album.

[JIM]

I too remember a time back in the early nineties when Liz Phair was going to be HUGE, she was going to be a SUPERSTAR!
But that did'nt happen. Not saying that's a good or bad thing.
Noticed she's using more of the physical sex appeal these days instead of the cerebral, soulful type she had before. It's not like she lost it though either.
Did I mention that she's easy on the eyes? /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

[towelie99]

Oh guys, don't blame psycho. He was still in diapers in the early 90s, probably.

[Zens_7s]

I wasn't blaming him at all. He is young, so I recommended the albums that I really enjoyed most. I think it is cool he even thought to bring up a thread about Liz.

[towelie99]

I actually don't own any. I did hear Supernova a lot back when it came out, and I thought she had a nice sound. After that, she disappeared from mainstream, which for a lot of people is not such a bad thing, mainstream being what it is.

[MinerWerks]

Oh, by the way, Liz watchers take note that she has a decent size role in a movie from last year called CHERISH... check it out in your local video store (if they have it)... the leads are Robin Tunney and Tim Blake Nelson. Very quirky indie comedy/character piece.

[psychofiend]

Early nineties, kidergarten chicken pox and other things I dfon't wanna remember, youth sucks!!

[GoreFollower]

You hate young people? What are you? an old person!

[psychofiend]

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You hate young people? What are you? an old person!

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I don't hate young people. I just hated being one.

[Zens_7s]

Ditto, I was way to serious as a kid. Quite boring, really. I think 22-23 were the most spectacular years ever. Single, out of college, first job, zero responsibilities, living in Northern California, and legal to have the kind of fun I had already been having for years.

As far as I am concerned, the teens years are overrated. Unless of course you are the prom king and queen. Life is essentially a constant downward spiral after high school for those people.

[Razorback]

My favorite thing about my teen years was playing football in highschool. I loved that... otherwise, my late 20s and early 30s have been the most fun... sober.

RB

[Omaru]

I think I missed out on teenage adolescence, I just managed to jump from metal age of 9 up to about 25 overnight pratically and I would say having all my illegal fun legally but films and drinking aside i didn't really do anything else that was bad or whatever.

[DangerSeeker]

I can't really pick a Best TIme of My Life. Every so often I wipe the rose tint off my glasses, and remember the crap I went through, just like when i get frustrated at whatever current thing is going wrong, I look at how great some of the other stuff is. I'm having a good run.

[Affleckie]

Yeah... 25 came a lot faster than I would have liked. Oh well.

[psychofiend]

I'll be drivingt soon... everyone keep off the roads of Massachusetts.

[jjcourtright]

I'm with Danger. [censored] happens, sure. But, life (my life at least) always has more good than bad.

[karmattack]

Agreed. I turned 25 this July and it just doesn't seem right. At least I'm younger than most of my friends!

[ratm1966]

I really don't have a best time of my life, but one of the better ones was Feb 26, 1996. Yup, that is my anniversary date. Yeah, the anniversary of my divorce from that b!tch.

[Affleckie]

I celebrate my divorce aniversary too. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

[karmattack]

no offense, but how old are you two divorcees?

[DangerSeeker]

A woman awakes during the night to find her husband was not in bed. She puts on her robe and goes downstairs to look for him. She finds him sitting at the kitchen table with a cup of coffee in front of him.

He appears to be in deep thought, just staring at the wall. She watches as he wiped a tear from his eye and takes a sip of his coffee.

"What's the matter, dear?", she whispers as she steps into the room, "Why are you down here at this time of night?"

The husband looks up from his coffee," Do you remember 20 years ago when we were dating, and you were only 16?" he asks solemnly. "Yes, I do," she replies. The husband paused. The words were not coming easily.

"Do you remember when your father caught us in the back seat of my car making love?"

"Yes, I remember" said the wife, lowering herself into a chair beside him.

The husband continued.."Do you remember when he shoved the shotgun in my face and said, 'Either you marry my daughter, or I'll send you to jail for 20 years?'"

"I remember that too" she replied softly.

He wiped another tear from his cheek and said, "I would have gotten out today."

[Affleckie]

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no offense, but how old are you two divorcees?

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25

no offense taken

[karmattack]

That's what I thought -- same age as I am. When you said that, it made me think of how much I can't picture myself married.

[brycejmcewen]

Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

That's funny.

[Affleckie]

Yeah, it's definitely not one of the smarter things I've done.

[karmattack]

Yeah, where were you with the funny stuff when my "Har-Har" forum was active, HUH?? I guess nobody likes jokes around here!

[DangerSeeker]

Muh bad. I just thought it was on topic, and blanked when that other one went up. I'll go dig it up and post something.

Guilt sucks.

[jjcourtright]

Like karma, no offense intended, but...how old were you when you got married?

[ratm1966]

36

[ratm1966]

i just posted some jokes in the HAR HAR thread

[karmattack]

Gracias, Man. They're hilarious.

[ratm1966]

When I got married? I was 20 I think.

[jjcourtright]

So you had a 16 year run. That is not so bad. Much better than alot of marriages.

Is it "alot" or "a lot"?

[Zens_7s]

I am coming up on 1 yr. In my group of friends that is like a Joanne Woodward/Paul Newman run. We are the "ones who really have held in there."

[jjcourtright]

Wow, I am at 3-1/2 and that doesn't seem long at all. But, I guess most of my friends aren't married, so I guss I lack prespective.

[psychofiend]

It's funny that this started talking about relationships (divorces) because Liz Phair is all about the sex part.
http://www.girlzone.com/images_zone/LizPhair_zn.gif

[Zens_7s]

Hey - I wasn't saying we were normal. I think it may show how abnormal my friends are. The record for least amount of time is 6 weeks. That COUNTS the month it took to get divorced. They have changed the laws here recently, and now it takes 6 months to get a "Big D" and I don't mean Dallas.

[jjcourtright]

Well congrats...at least you have passed the shortest relationship test. Do you guys give them a bunch of [censored] for it? Two weeks. Hah. How long were they dating that they couldn't forsee that they would only last two married weeks.

[Zens_7s]

They lived together for 5 years. She was messing around with a hockey player while they were planning the wedding, and they should have called it off but didnt'. And yes, we give them [censored] ALL the time.

[jjcourtright]

I would expect and accept nothing less from you.

[karmattack]

Speaking of which....as of Monday night at aproximately 9:00 PM, I AM SINGLE!!!!! Booyah! It was a healthy 2 1/2 year run.

[Zens_7s]

Oh no! That sucks Karma. I am sorry. /forums/images/icons/frown.gif She must be one crazy woman to toss back a fine guy like you.

Look on the bright side, you no longer have to feel guilty when checking out hot chicks.

[jjcourtright]

I think a breakup, no matter who gets the bad end, is one of the greatest feelings. At least that's how I felt in high school. A relationship ends, first thing you do is call up the boys, play some basketball/football/Nintendo. You feel like Martin Luther King, Jr. "Thank God Almighty, I am free at last."

[Robbo_the_Hood]

Hey, bachelorhood is no big deal. We can paruse the "Shoot" for chicks. You can be my cyber wing-man.

[Zens_7s]

Perusing the shoot for chicks? All of a sudden I feel like I am in a seedy bar, with some seedy looking girlfriends, and I realize my skirt is too short to be sitting on a bar stool.

[jjcourtright]

So, you feel like last Friday all over again?...

[psychofiend]

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Hey, bachelorhood is no big deal. We can paruse the "Shoot" for chicks. You can be my cyber wing-man.

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Oh no!!! Larry Flint has been here all along and we never knew!! But then again Robbo should have tipped us off since he has been, like robocop a robot (only Larry is a robot for porno).
http://www.film.ru/img/shots/larry_flynt_1.jpg

[Zens_7s]

OOHHHHH...JJ is going for the throat. I think you had my Friday night confused with the trailer for The Real Cancun you keep watching over and over again.

[Robbo_the_Hood]

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But then again Robbo should have tipped us off since he has been, like robocop a robot (only Larry is a robot for porno

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What the hell? Am I missing something.

[Zens_7s]

Yeah - I would tell you what you missed, but since you are cheating on me I am not going to bother.

[Robbo_the_Hood]

By wing-man, I just need you to keep one of Zens friends company. You people think I'd actually go slumming around here.

[psychofiend]

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but since you are cheating on me I am not going to bother.

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Larry Flynt cheat no way!!!

[psychofiend]

...really no way, he is paralyzed from the waist down.

[Zens_7s]

Yeah, that's what I thought. You almost ended up where Ben Affleck is right now. Sleeping on JLo's couch and denying any knowledge of the strippers.

[jjcourtright]

They don't let me watch The Real Cancun trailer at work, so all I have is making fun of you...but, when I get home...

[Robbo_the_Hood]

Hey, I can see why he cheated on J-Lo. I mean, she isn't you. She may be a 10 but if you look higher than that, there is a Zen.

[Zens_7s]

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all I have is making fun of you

[/ QUOTE ] That is all you have to do? You must be quite bored, because you aren't very good at it! Try The Real Cancun; it will do your heart good.

[Zens_7s]

[Note to Self: Forgive Robbo because 1)He managed to dig himself out of that one very nicely and 2)You don't want to give back the 7series Beemer he bought you for your birthday]

[karmattack]

Who says she tossed me back?

[Zens_7s]

No one. If you are the tosser then ROCK ON! The tosser needs no sympathy. The tossee gets the "damn you are a good guy and you can go out and nail any chick you want you don't need her" kind of pep talk.

[karmattack]

Damn, you guys went post crazy since I mentioned that breakup. In all seriousness, it was mutual. People say that, but I swear it's true. I'm taking it much better than she is though (I've already gotten the drunken, early morning awakening) and it's exactly what JJ said about MLK. Not that it was terrible, because it absolutely wasn't, but I was startig to feel like Mel Gibson at the end of Braveheart.

"FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!!"

Robbo, I'd be honored to act as cyber wingman. Within reason. No PoopShoot hoggin'.

[Robbo_the_Hood]

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Robbo, I'd be honored to act as cyber wingman. Within reason. No PoopShoot hoggin'

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Cool, cause Zens has this buddy of hers that I need you to keep company. I've never met the girl, but Zens keeps telling me she has a great personality.

[Zens_7s]

Sometimes you have to take one for the team!

[karmattack]

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I've never met the girl, but Zens keeps telling me she has a great personality.


[/ QUOTE ] That's alright because my penis is a "good size."



there, that should read a little better

[ILovePapaSmurf]

<font color="purple"> Thanks for the info karma.

As for High school, it was the best and worse time of my life. I was all into drama. But, the best thing about high school was the time my drama teacher told me I wouldn't amount to anything when I graduated. Umm... funny. I worked at a radio station and work for a newspaper and make more money than her and I am only 20. I love the general knowledge of a bitch who doesn't know anything. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif </font color>

[jjcourtright]

I would assume that in most cases, Drama teacher is code for failed actor.

[Denyse]

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I've never met the girl, but Zens keeps telling me she has a great personality.

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Way to promote me Robbo...
What, like I can't have a good personality, just cuz I'm a godess as well???

[Denyse gets all insulted and with a mighty hair flip/heel turn combo move, is gone]

[Zens_7s]

We were not talking about YOU. I was going to fix up our "friend", you know, the one with the bad English accent. She has a GREAT personality.

Now that I think about it, Denyse...you want to go out with us instead. I know this guy with one avatar that makes him a squinter for Colin Farrell...What do you think, my Princess of Jupiter?

[Denyse]

You are my Queen, I must do thy bidding...Within reason of course...

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squinter for Colin Farrell...

[/ QUOTE ]
Well considering that all I've been dating are Colin's distant redneck cousins...Bring him on, girl...

[ozchick]

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the one with the bad English accent.

[/ QUOTE ]

Its not English - ITS AUSTRALIAN!!! sheesh! And dammit I do have a great personality!

[Zens_7s]

Damn, I love this Queen of Jupiter thing. Now we need to call Karma out of his hiding spot. Wait - he is newly single. I bet he is wreaking havok on the population right now.

Tomorrow Karma, aka "Colin Farrell squinter guy in the one avatar and not the rest", will go as Robbo's wingman to our party on Planet PX42. [Phew - what a sentence that was]

[Zens_7s]

Not you OzChick, we like your accent. But if you want to come also, the more the merrier. If planet PX42 fills up, we can go to Planet PX42. The Corona is colder there because it's farther from the sun.

[ozchick]

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If planet PX42 fills up, we can go to Planet PX42

[/ QUOTE ]

If they keep naming the planets the same names its gonna get confusing!! /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

Yeah I'm in... I got nothing better to do [sigh]

[ratm1966]

As long as they had cold Corona....they could name them all....Planet Armpit of the Universe

[karmattack]

&lt;-----------------alright, I don't think I look like Colin Farrell in this picture -- squinting or not.

[Zens_7s]

Yay! Colin Farrell squinter returns! Happy reigns!

[karmattack]

I'm going to go put my head down now.

[turns, yells with outstretched arms] Why can't they just like me for me?!

[brycejmcewen]

Wow, I thought I was the only one who ended a 2 1/2 year relationship "mutually" in the last couple of weeks.

[karmattack]

You are not alone, my friend. How did your breakup go? I swear upon Zen's left testicle that mine was a mutual breakup. She is an awesome girl -- really funny (and appreciated my weird sense of humor), artistic, great cultural taste, and we shared a very similar world view. My major problem with her was she is such a perfectionist that it effected everything around her. It was rare that anything was good enough; either her friends didn't appreciate her good deeds enough, or her dad didn't get her a thoughtful enough gift for her birthday, or whatever....just analyzing everything and usually complaining about it. Plus, she is slightly unstable and very demanding of time and attention. My favorite example of all this combined: while school is in session, she would come to me all the time if I was doing homework, grab my work from me or turn me around in the computer chair, sit on my lap, ask me to hang out with her, then beg when I said I had to work.......then after all that, get on my case for not doing my homework, for my slipping grades and call me a slacker. I am a slacker though.
SO, realizing all this, she knew she had to make a life overhaul and that she really couldn't do it in the context of a relationship, and since I had already broken up with her for all this before, I obviously agreed.
The thing that worries me is when I broke up with her before, I started dating a girl who I had my eye on for a loooooong time. We were a few months into a relationship when my ex started calling and IMing all the time, crying, asking for another chance, saying she's grown and changed. I ended up breaking up with the new girl and going back with her figuring she deserved it. Now we're back there again and the callings have already started. She woke me up the other morning at 3:00, tapping on my window, pissed (drunk), crying. I know I sound like I'm dogging her, and I probably am a little, but she's honestly an awesome girl. We were a very good couple and I love her to pieces. We just couldn't keep going like we were.
Mutual breakup, I swear. This is now a documented case. /forums/images/icons/smirk.gif

[DangerSeeker]

Am I the only one who's maybe making a connection here?

[Zens_7s]

Don't worry. I like you for you. You have a great personality. Now both of you boys (Bryce and Drew) need to remember to use your newfound powers for the forces of good. We woman are fragile, and it's not good to have 2 studs out on the circuit again.

[Thinks about it]

Who am I kidding.

[karmattack]

No, I won't make out with you.

[Zens_7s]

Oh goodness. At first I thought that reply was to me. I got a little nervous and almost retracted my "good personality" statement. When did I get a left testicle? [Bends over to check] Ok - thank goodness I cleared that up.

Sounds like you made a good decision, and it does not sound like you are really dogging her out. Maybe she needs to be alone for a while and figure out that a signifgant other was not put on this earth to complete her or to entertain her all the time. Most of my girlfriends are the same way however...needy...and then they get left and do the same thing the next time.

As for the drunk showing up stuff, my ex-boyfriend did that for 2 years after we broke up and once since I got married. Take comfort in the fact that it is WAY more embarassing to be them when they sober up and realize what an ass they have made of themselves.

[DangerSeeker]

I wasn't.. you... Bryce.. coincidence...

I'm gonna crawl into my sock drawer and sleep for days.

[brycejmcewen]

Wow, that is earily similar.

She used to get so upset when we couldn't hang out together, to the point of begging and crying. So finally we talked and we agreed that she would have to settle down, and not get so upset when we couldn't see each other 24/7. She said it would take some work, but she would try. So she decided she would try not to think about me all the time. Well, she got really good at not being upset when we didn't see each other and not thinking about me, so good that she doesn't think about me at all.

So in June she was really busy with school, and we barely saw each other, and when we did, she was really non-receptive. So finally I asked her if anything was wrong, and everything came to light. So even though I would prefer to still be with her, we both agreed that while she is feeling like this, we shouldn't be together.

The thing that really sucks is that she is really my best friend, so not only did I lose my girlfriend, I lost my best friend too. We have hung out a few times since we've broken up, and we have a good time. We still get along, and every so often I catch her looking at me like she used to, but as soon as I do, she stops. It is like she is trying not to like me. It boggles my mind.

When we started going out, the last thing I was looking for was a girlfriend. For the first time in my life, I was "the man." At the time we started dating, there was about 5-6 girls, not including her, who were all about me. I was planning on juggling them all until it blew up in my face. For some reason though, I stuck with her.

The thing that really annoys me is there really is no reason why we broke up, or why she stopped thinking of me. It would be so much easier if we didn't get along, or if she cheated on me, that would be great. At least then, I could call her a slut, whore, stupid bitch, hate her, and get over it. Instead I'm left standing here going "what the [censored] just happened?"

The thing that is really annoying, is I can forsee the exact same thing happening to me as you. I will start going out with someone else, then she will start to think about us and want to get back together. Then I will be forced to break the heart of the random-whore-with-a-penchant-for-oral-sex-and-fornication that I will currently be dating (sorry Zens, I want to use the powers for good, but women force me to use them for evil).

So while I wish that we were still together, I understand that we shouldn't be together while she feels like this, because it really isn't fair to either of us. So it was mutual.

I guess I will have some fun now (not that I wasn't having fun with the girlfriend). The first time I went to the bar after we broke up, I saw a mutual friend of my girlfriend and me, and she asked if we were still together. When I told her no, she said, "Awww, that's too bad." Only she had a giant smile on her face, and was starting to fix her hair. I think she might have went for the old, adjust-the-bra-to-draw-attention-to-her-breasts-trick, but I could be imagining that part. Either way, I was checking out her rack. Then out of the blue she showed up on my MSN.

Man, I promised myself I wouldn't cry (ok, I'm only crying because it is so beautiful how much ass I'm gonna get, and I'm talking crazy boy band ass). I also promised myself I wouldn't let it all out on a message board. So much for that.

I just previewed my post, and that is damn long.

[brycejmcewen]

[Note to self: don't show up drunk at 3 in the morning, begging to be taken back.]

Thanks. This is valuable info.

[karmattack]

Man, that sounds rough. I'm sure one day I'll feel lonely and want that connection again because my ex was definitely my best friend too -- withoot a doot. It sucks. I know I would be a little jealous seeing her with someone else, but I feel oddly levelheaded about the idea at the same time. Me?-- </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
... it is so beautiful how much ass I'm gonna get, and I'm talking crazy boy band ass.

[/ QUOTE ] No offense to the proper ladies in the house, but this is sounding nice. Now I have time to concentrate on my art and not feel guilty when I have to spend extra time to write with my band. Oh and hot chicas beware!

[karmattack]

Oh, and Zens...I wanted give you a sincere thanks for your complimentary post. So, Thanks!